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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #100 on: April 07, 2008, 04:49:26 pm »
Big Fat Loophole time!

If you want a defacto permit for all your "historical replicas" aka swords and whatnot. just buy an SCA membership for $15, The SCA is a governmentally recognized non profit educational corporation. It will cover you as an historical enactor, and you're not required to participate or anything if you don't want to. Although personally I find the occasional SCA event quite refreshing.

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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #101 on: April 07, 2008, 04:51:31 pm »

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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #102 on: April 07, 2008, 04:56:09 pm »
Very well, Mme Fahrmann, we'll be good. Won't we?

Tallest, very interesting; is that accepted by the British Government?

Wells, that's a great idea, definitely worth looking into more.

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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #103 on: April 07, 2008, 04:57:16 pm »
Mr Tallest, I don't think that having membership of the CSA would be helpful in the UK.  :(
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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #104 on: April 07, 2008, 05:05:42 pm »
The alternative of course is get a martial artist's licence.
But i can't be bothered spending 4 years studying to get it.
To be honest, since i can't really make anything larger than madium-sized knives, it doesn't really affect me except in principle.

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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #105 on: April 07, 2008, 05:08:19 pm »
Would the SCA really help since they seem to not even use metal weapons?
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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #106 on: April 07, 2008, 05:11:11 pm »
"the right to bear arms?" does this cover all weapons?

just curious.
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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #107 on: April 07, 2008, 05:13:37 pm »
The simple answer is i don't know, no-one seems to. The general consensus on the forum for british knifemakers (which also has a few policeman and solicitors) is that there'll have to be a few court cases before anyone'll know what's what, most likely against Bugei and Cheness, the main makers and importers of contemporary katanas. If a sword's still made in japan by a traditional smith then it's still legal to import, so i can see them moving factories and labour over there if it'll let them get around the ban.

ALSO: I've just seen Von Henry's post and i'd appreciate it if it wasn't discussed, i think it'd be too political and we've already been warned once. Valid, certainly, and definitely worthy of discussion, but not here. Sorry, Von Henry...
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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #108 on: April 07, 2008, 05:18:28 pm »
all i want is a simple yes or no....


and how can a thread being entitled "update of the british sword ban" not be political? and surely this question i ask is also political?


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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #109 on: April 07, 2008, 05:20:44 pm »
Hypothethical question:-

If I started an account with a store (say...2-3 years ago), to buy a set of  "live bladed" swords. and I plan to finnish paying (within the next month or two) for them and then take them home in a sealed box on public transport. Would that be legal?

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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #110 on: April 07, 2008, 05:23:39 pm »
i wouldn't risk them on a public vehicle
you'd probably get away with it in your own car, but they must be safe and hidden from sight

or at least thats how it is with firearms

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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #111 on: April 07, 2008, 05:25:00 pm »
Probably not; you'd have them in public, etc. As for the payment of them, maybe, since you started and had largely finished paying before the ban came into effect. I'm not a solicitor, though, so don't take my word for anything. All i can say is that you'd be running a terrible risk if you got caught.

Alright then, Von Henry, but let's leave it at this: As far as i know, it's legal to carry a sword in Canada, as long as you take due care, etc. You're more than likely to be stopped by a policeman but as far as i know, as long as you give him a good reason, there's not much he can do...Let's leave it at that, eh?

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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #112 on: April 07, 2008, 05:26:24 pm »
Ok, thank you both for your help.

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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #113 on: April 07, 2008, 05:27:45 pm »
Alright then, Von Henry, but let's leave it at this: As far as i know, it's legal to carry a sword in Canada, as long as you take due care, etc. You're more than likely to be stopped by a policeman but as far as i know, as long as you give him a good reason, there's not much he can do...Let's leave it at that, eh?

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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #114 on: April 07, 2008, 05:29:56 pm »
All i've got is anecdotal evidence from what i saw on another forum.

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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #115 on: April 07, 2008, 05:38:45 pm »
There are a goodly number of fine swordsmiths in the UK. How does this affect their trade - I didn't notice if there was a dealer/collector/artisan clause.
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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #116 on: April 07, 2008, 05:46:37 pm »
The British swordsmiths are included in the ban, they're not allowed to make blades longer than 50cm.
It's been facaetiously suggested that 50 of us or so to go over to the republic of Ireland and turn some farmer's field into an epic forge-in.

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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #117 on: April 07, 2008, 05:48:40 pm »
There are a goodly number of fine swordsmiths in the UK. How does this affect their trade - I didn't notice if there was a dealer/collector/artisan clause.

try here.

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Re: Update on the british sword ban
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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #119 on: April 07, 2008, 06:36:32 pm »
"the right to bear arms?" does this cover all weapons?

just curious.
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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #120 on: April 07, 2008, 06:55:13 pm »
I far prefer the wording in the old joke - the right to arm bears...

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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #121 on: April 07, 2008, 07:48:36 pm »
Depends on the depth of hardening, your skills with a grinder, etc. Bottom line is: Not too hard at all, as long as you know what you're doing.

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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #122 on: April 07, 2008, 07:51:57 pm »
"the right to bear arms?" does this cover all weapons?

just curious.
The U.S. Constitution does not have any weight in English law. (Though,oddly,English common law is afforded special status by the U.S. Constitution) Also should be noted that the ambiguous phrasing of the alleged right to bear arms makes interpretation contentious.The U.S. does not extend this right to minors.

i wasn't intending to use American constitutions in British law  :P , or even if i can arm kids (??) i just want to know if *arms* means "guns" or any sort of weapon.

i just want to expand my general knowledge! is this so very wrong?!

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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #123 on: April 07, 2008, 07:53:53 pm »

i just want to expand my general knowledge! is this so very wrong?!


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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #124 on: April 07, 2008, 08:16:05 pm »

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