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Sir Nikolas of Vendigroth

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Update on the british sword ban
« on: April 06, 2008, 02:06:07 pm »
Without getting political; here's the news on hte British sword ban:
As of today, (6th of april, 2008) curved swords with cutting edges of over 50cm are illegal. Straight swords of any length remain legal.
Among the banned items are leaf-bladed swords, katanas, cavalry sabres, certain seaxes, scythes, machetes, etc. Any curved blade less than 50cm remains legal.
The law covers all forms of transfer, including inheritance and outright giving them away.

I've only covered what the law is, rather than why it's in place in order to avoid the dreaded scourge that is politics.
And really, to be honest, i'm not sure this thread can proceed without getting political so i'm not going to be surprised if it's locked.

The fact remains that this is an important matter that affects a lot of us here, and needs to be stated.

IN order to make this a little lighter, why not post some pictures of your freshly-illegal things?  :D


EDIT: you can still own and buy a curved blade as long as you've got a good reason to buy it; for example, if you're a recreationalist, or a practicing martial artist.
« Last Edit: April 06, 2008, 02:18:23 pm by Sir Nikolas of Vendigroth »

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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2008, 02:21:32 pm »
I await the sudden surge in broadsword attacks that will inevitably follow this legislation...

It does occur to me that you could get around it if the precise wording of the law is "a cutting edge of over 50cm". Simply make your full size katana and only sharpen 49.9cm of the blade. The rest isn't a cutting edge!

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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2008, 02:30:03 pm »
Ive already blunted all of mine so technically there is no cutting edge, and the steel is such a low grade that bringing the edbe back would be an exercise in futility.

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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2008, 02:37:12 pm »
Oh :(

Does this only apply specifically to swords? Or blades of all types? I'm now quite worried about this




The big double ended blade on the right? The point in the centre is sharp, although there is no edge to it. But each of the end blades is about..33 cm long if I press the tape measure around the curve. Would they count both curved edges together as 66 cm? . Is that one illegal do you think?  :'( :'( To be honest I'm not even that keen on it anymore, but have no idea how to get rid of it legally if it isn't allowed :(
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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2008, 02:47:18 pm »
There are a significant amount of exemptions to this legislation Honeythorn. The amendments (and please note that they ARE  amendments to existing legislation, rather than a new law) can be found on this site.http://www.opsi.gov.uk/
Worth a look if in doubt.Remember also that there have been no test cases yet.
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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2008, 03:13:14 pm »
Honeythorn, i've got no idea, even the people who made the law don't know. And yes, it applies toall blades. If you want to hand something in, take it to a police station and hand it in quite politely there. You probably WON'T have to hand it in though.

Von Gast, It'd still count as a cutting edge, same goes for you, Cat.

Prof. Lindenbrock: For any suitable legislation to come into effect there'd have to be a few dozen court cases, which'll cost a few people dearly.

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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2008, 03:40:15 pm »
I don´t understand why they think curved blades should be banned but not straight ones. Is it something to do with antiques? Or do people more often get attacked with curved blades?
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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2008, 03:48:30 pm »

     I suspect that on a day to day basis, more people are attacked by short knives rather than long swords.

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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2008, 03:51:17 pm »
I'm also wondering if you need proof that you are a collector/costumer which will be a little difficult to obtain acceptable proof, plus the whole blunt/sharp thing may be conflicting...
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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2008, 04:08:00 pm »
I believe it's targetting curved blades as there have been a very few high profile cases where some nutter has attacked some-one with a "samurai sword" - and a lot of the replicas I've seen for sale have come with a live blade, unlike replica straight swords. And whilst you could put an edge on some of the straight swords, that requires forethought.

From what the papers report, knife and gun crime are far more prevalent in the UK than curved sword crime...
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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2008, 04:10:57 pm »
oh yes, 80 "samurai sword" attacks, compared to thousands of knife and gun crimes. But banning knives wouldn't work (cutlery etc) so "samurai swords" get the chop (pardon the dreadful pun)

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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2008, 04:15:13 pm »
Well, I do seem to hear a lot about samurai sword attacks. When I heard curved blade, it more made me think of scimitars than samurai swords though.

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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2008, 04:15:27 pm »
The easy availability of (cheap) reproductions of Samurai swords has resulted in them being used in a disproportionately large amount of violent crime in the U.K. (Including at least one particularly vicious murder)
The amendments have been made after a lengthy consultation process in order to clarify some ambiguities in pre-existing legislation. As always burden of proof would lie with the prosecution.The absence of any test cases means that as yet there is no judicial interpretation of the amendments which is a prerequisite of precedent for common law both in the U.K. & U.S.
As the link I posted earlier shows there are a list of exemptions which ought to be comprehensive enough to cover activities in which members of this forum participate.

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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2008, 04:18:58 pm »
Ok, should be able to make my wooden swords still and cosplay weapon replicas will be acceptable.

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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2008, 04:25:18 pm »
Ok, should be able to make my wooden swords still and cosplay weapon replicas will be acceptable.
That certainly should be the case. And your cosplay group's Public Liability Insurance enables you to use them at public displays.

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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2008, 04:26:58 pm »
 :-\ I'm not a member of a group... Not sure how to join any, plus no (truly) local ones the "nearest" are Uni groups and I'm not in Uni.

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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2008, 04:31:35 pm »
:-\ I'm not a member of a group... Not sure how to join any, plus no (truly) local ones the "nearest" are Uni groups and I'm not in Uni.
As I assume that you are unlikely to stage any re enactment's by yourself, that will not be a problem from a legal point of view.. ;D

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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2008, 04:37:14 pm »
I always though samuri-swords were frowned upon due to the horrendous amount of damage they to to flesh, apparently in comparison and broadsword is quite tame.

due to the fact a broadsword is designed to be used against amoured foes i assume, and uses more of a stabbing motion, but what do i know?

and scythes are banned? wtf? how many scythe attacks are there? how am i meant to cut grass in an environmentally friendly way?
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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2008, 04:42:01 pm »
I think most broadswords sold are already blunt. Why samurai swords are not I don´t know.

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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2008, 05:01:20 pm »
I am uncertain as to the origin of the supposed ban on scythes but they are not mentioned in the existing legislation or the amendments. As always in all parts of the U.K. anything which is not illegal is legal.

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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2008, 05:03:57 pm »

Among the banned items are leaf-bladed swords, katanas, cavalry sabres, certain seaxes, scythes, machetes, etc.



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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2008, 05:13:43 pm »
Anyone need to get rid of a Bat'leth? ;D
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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2008, 05:17:36 pm »
Scythes and machetes are both quite useful.

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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2008, 05:22:21 pm »
well, you would probably use an ax where i live, but theres no replacement for a scythe

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Re: Update on the british sword ban
« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2008, 05:33:38 pm »
Damn, i really feel bad for you folks on the other side of the pond. Hopefully something like this can get overturned