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« Reply #1000 on: March 19, 2011, 04:09:00 pm » |
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Fiancée got me a utilikilt and some doc's for Christmas - and since it's warmed up recently, I've been wearing it non-stop. They are surprisingly comfortable, and I love the tons of pocket space - I hate having things in my jeans pockets, but this is so much nicer! It's a black Workman's UK, for the curious. I believe it's a 39" waist and a 23" length. It's actually just a teensy tad loose on me, which I fixed by sewing up a belt out of some black webbing-fabric material, with a few d-rings and snaps to close it. Still getting the hang of sitting down properly, but that's not too big a deal. I'm in Atlanta, and so far the reactions have all been pretty positive. Lots of people ask if I'm Irish or Scottish. Some ask if that's a kilt. Yes, yes it is. The one "negative" reaction so far was a teenager outside the mall, driving past in his mommy's suv, who halfheartedly exclaimed "Go back to Scotland!".  |
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« Reply #1001 on: March 19, 2011, 07:48:01 pm » |
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Fiancée got me a utilikilt and some doc's for Christmas - and since it's warmed up recently, I've been wearing it non-stop. They are surprisingly comfortable, and I love the tons of pocket space - I hate having things in my jeans pockets, but this is so much nicer! It's a black Workman's UK, for the curious. I believe it's a 39" waist and a 23" length. It's actually just a teensy tad loose on me, which I fixed by sewing up a belt out of some black webbing-fabric material, with a few d-rings and snaps to close it. Still getting the hang of sitting down properly, but that's not too big a deal. I'm in Atlanta, and so far the reactions have all been pretty positive. Lots of people ask if I'm Irish or Scottish. Some ask if that's a kilt. Yes, yes it is. The one "negative" reaction so far was a teenager outside the mall, driving past in his mommy's suv, who halfheartedly exclaimed "Go back to Scotland!". That sir, is an amazing Kilt! |
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« Reply #1002 on: March 20, 2011, 11:39:26 am » |
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Fiancée got me a utilikilt and some doc's for Christmas <snip>
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« Reply #1003 on: March 20, 2011, 12:13:54 pm » |
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It's a black Workman's UK, for the curious I am curious. Does the black workman know you're wearing it?  Sorry..too good to pass up!. Am I right in thinking the 'Workman's Kilt' has a 'modesty flap' that covers your..er..'tool bag' when climbing ladders? |
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« Reply #1004 on: March 20, 2011, 04:48:04 pm » |
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Hullo Captain! The Workman's has a few snaps at the bottom of the kilt that can be closed for modesty purposes. I tried it the other day just to see what it was like, and it makes the kilt look a bit awkward. It basically snaps the front of the kilt to the back, and makes a weird semi-pant leg. I am not a fan. I also don't have much need to climb ladders, so right now it's not a huge issue. If I ever get into construction, it might be. |
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« Reply #1005 on: March 24, 2011, 08:13:04 am » |
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Thinking about snagging a practikilt (Badlands, I think they called it...) but am unable to find any in a 32W... Which brings up a good point: How do I know what LENGTH I need? Measure to where at on my legs?  |
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« Reply #1006 on: March 24, 2011, 10:00:14 am » |
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« Reply #1007 on: March 24, 2011, 10:07:16 am » |
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Bless you, good sir (even if I feel a fool for not thinking of Google in the first place...)! Now the trick is talking my wife into letting me buy one (I have ghastly white legs...)! |
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« Reply #1008 on: March 24, 2011, 10:21:14 am » |
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Now the trick is talking my wife into letting me buy one (I have ghastly white legs...)!
Wearing a kilt regularly will cure that problem! |
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« Reply #1009 on: March 24, 2011, 10:30:58 am » |
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When I was looking for a kilt I found that most of them came in a standard 23" drop.
When I tried it on I found it was quite easy to get it to the right place in the knees by wearing it a little higher or lower at my waist.
Unless your particularly short or long between the knees and waist you should be ok with a standard fit.
It's a lot like trousers I guess.
Standard ones are OK and reasonable money, but as you require a better fit you'll be paying more and more money for the custom tailoring.
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« Reply #1010 on: March 24, 2011, 10:32:11 am » |
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Now the trick is talking my wife into letting me buy one (I have ghastly white legs...)!
Wearing a kilt regularly will cure that problem! That's the idea... May even inspire me to bulk my legs up, like a true scotsman!  |
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« Reply #1011 on: March 24, 2011, 05:25:49 pm » |
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My utilikilt is a 39" waist and a 23" length, if I recall correctly. Imagine my surprise when I measured my waist... as I normally wear size 34 jeans. It made me quite sad that even the men's fashion industry lies about their sizes...
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« Reply #1012 on: July 30, 2011, 10:25:34 pm » |
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Is this still the default kilt thread? if not, please direct me hence! Re. waist measurements for men's lower apparel: Jeans are usually worn lower on the hips than suit trousers so often have a smaller measurement than more formal/traditional items such as dress trousers or 'traditional' kilts. Can be a bit depressing when going from jeans to formal wear! I've looked into making my own utility kilt using this Instructable; I looked at the x-kilt pattern but it seems it's better for less rotund persons plus I'm not a big fan of velcro. With this pattern in mind, I measured up, did the maths, and went to a local town where there is a haberdashery style craft shop with bales and bales of material, but they had nothing like the weight of cloth i was looking for :-( but they do stock a large collection of fastener kits (the fastener parts plus a little 'die' you hit with a hammer to secure the fastener) so I 'just' need to source some fabric - anyone know of a good supplier in the south Wales/Midlands/West Country area? Also, for anyone who is interested in the history if the various forms of male dress commonly called the kilt, PLEASE visit Albanach. I don't know if his research is correct, I just thinking there's something to be said for someone actually doing research rather than just repeating received wisdom. I've noticed his site has been referenced on here before, by people who know the man personally; then I've seen others posting 'facts' that he has already commented on as having no basis. Just sayin' About wearing the 'wrong' tartan or one that 'belongs' to you, I wonder if the problem might have arisen from people wearing another clan's 'tartan' and doing Bad Things, thus leading to possible reprisals upon the clan thus represented? Just my thought on it, not putting it across as the real reason or anything. For what it's worth, my mother's father was a Mitchell from Aberdeen, and his mother apparently was a Gordon. The Mitchell tartan commonly available is not my family tartan though, the nearest geographically I've found is Innes of Moray, but at £34 a METER?! I think I'll give it a miss until I can weave my own. Anyhow, been rambling on too long so I'll just go now. Gareth |
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« Reply #1013 on: July 31, 2011, 12:52:25 am » |
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Is this still the default kilt thread? if not, please direct me hence! PLEASE visit Albanach. I don't know if his research is correct, I just thinking there's something to be said for someone actually doing research rather than just repeating received wisdom. I think Matt Newsome is a pretty reputable source for kilt lore. He is the Director of the Scottish Tartans Museum in North Carolina, which state has a large population of Gaelic Diaspora folks. Here you see the difference between the wearing of a traditional kilt (high) and the utility-stlye kilt (around the hips):  And the difference between the traditional kilt and the sparkly pseudo-kilt:  |
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« Reply #1014 on: July 31, 2011, 01:02:56 am » |
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Is this still the default kilt thread? if not, please direct me hence! PLEASE visit Albanach. I don't know if his research is correct, I just thinking there's something to be said for someone actually doing research rather than just repeating received wisdom. I think Matt Newsome is a pretty reputable source for kilt lore. He is the Director of the Scottish Tartans Museum in North Carolina, which state has a large population of Gaelic Diaspora folks. I agree having been a historical reenactor with a Scottish group my impression is he knows his stuff. |
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« Reply #1015 on: July 31, 2011, 11:43:31 am » |
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I'm in the process of reading through his articles as I speak Looking at the Instructables pattern and having another look at the X-Kilt pattern, it looks as though I can use the material at the craft shop after all. Time to start saving Gareth |
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« Reply #1016 on: August 14, 2011, 12:15:24 am » |
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Not so sure about men in anything other than a proper tartan kilt; anything else looks a bit dubious, well to me anyway.
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« Reply #1017 on: August 16, 2011, 03:58:30 pm » |
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Not so sure about men in anything other than a proper tartan kilt; anything else looks a bit dubious, well to me anyway.
We've had this discussion before. Any man comfortable with his own masculinity shouldn't worry that a non tartan kilt may be mistaken for a skirt. |
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« Reply #1018 on: August 16, 2011, 04:09:37 pm » |
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Not so sure about men in anything other than a proper tartan kilt; anything else looks a bit dubious, well to me anyway.
We've had this discussion before. Any man comfortable with his own masculinity shouldn't worry that a non tartan kilt may be mistaken for a skirt. But will probably be ridiculed North of the Border (unless its made of Tweed, a la London Scottish http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Scottish_%28regiment%29). |
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« Reply #1019 on: August 16, 2011, 05:20:43 pm » |
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I wear both the tartan kilt and the Utilikilt. The only negative response I've ever gotten was from a Scotsman - a Highlander - who told me that unless I was from the Highlands of Scotland, I had no right to wear the kilt. I told him as politely as I could that I wore the kilt and tartan in honor of my ancestors who were run out of Scotland, and that the right to wear any garment I so choose I take to myself as a freeborn man. He walked away huffing. As for the occasional remark about "the skirt" - I don't even look up.
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« Reply #1020 on: August 16, 2011, 05:53:42 pm » |
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I wear both the tartan kilt and the Utilikilt. The only negative response I've ever gotten was from a Scotsman - a Highlander - who told me that unless I was from the Highlands of Scotland, I had no right to wear the kilt. I told him as politely as I could that I wore the kilt and tartan in honor of my ancestors who were run out of Scotland, and that the right to wear any garment I so choose I take to myself as a freeborn man. He walked away huffing. As for the occasional remark about "the skirt" - I don't even look up.
I have two tartan skirts (one is Menzies Black and White and it is a kilted skirt and the other is a Jaeger purple tartan pleated skirt), I won't wear either while in Scotland. I'm not Scottish (family is from County Durham and Wales) and I feel wrong to wear them, although I could get a Welsh kilted skirt in my families tartan. I don't think I would wear it anyway. I do hate seeing tourists wearing kilts around Edinburgh (saw a couple wearing kilts backwards a while ago) it just cheapens them. A person wearing a kilt with a kilt jacket or doublet looks amazing but a tourist wearing a kilt with trainers and a t-shirt looks a mess, in my opinion at least. With regards to being a Highlander or a Lowlander and right's to wear tartan, these links might interest.
Until the middle of the nineteenth century, the highland tartans were associated with regions or districts, rather than by any specific clan. This was because tartan designs were produced by local weavers for local tastes and would tend to make use of the natural dyes available in that area. The patterns were simply different regional checked-cloth patterns, where of the tartans most to one's liking - in the same way as people nowadays choose what colours and patterns they prefer in their clothing. Thus, it was not until the mid-nineteenth century that specific tartans became associated with Scottish clans or Scottish families, or simply institutions who are (or wish to be seen as) associated in some way with a Scottish heritage. [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartan ]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartan#The_.27right.27_or_.27entitlement.27_to_tartanhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestiarium_Scoticum |
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« Reply #1021 on: August 16, 2011, 06:02:28 pm » |
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LadyAsprin, do you often see the kilt worn around Edinburgh by Scots as just a normal daily garment? Or is it only worn by the Tartan Army on football days or at weddings or special events? I have been led to understand that the kilt is seldom worn in Scotland, and if you see it on the street it is almost always a tourist.
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« Reply #1022 on: August 16, 2011, 06:09:46 pm » |
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LadyAsprin, do you often see the kilt worn around Edinburgh by Scots as just a normal daily garment? Or is it only worn by the Tartan Army on football days or at weddings or special events? I have been led to understand that the kilt is seldom worn in Scotland, and if you see it on the street it is almost always a tourist.
Most who wear kilts are either tourists or working in tartan tat shops (its just a kilt and a shirt and the outfit doesn't look complete), but you do occasionally see people the 'kilt suit' as their work suit and the door guy at the Balmoral Hotel (over Waverley Station) wears either a kilt or trews with the kilt jacket and there are lots of buskers who pipe in full kilt dress. Yes it is uncommon that people wear them as everyday wear but some people do. |
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« Reply #1023 on: August 16, 2011, 08:01:49 pm » |
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I can say that being a historical reenactor, I have had to opportunity on many occasions to wear various kilts for different functions... as a bigger gentleman, I feel completely comfortable in a kilt and have had no issues wearing one... the occasional child will say something as they don't understand a kilt... but I rarely notice... My latest addition to the collection: I have several of the Stillwater kilts and find them easy to wear and maintain... I picked up the nightstalker for its dark colors... not wanting to have the standard old Blackwatch.... they are limited in pattern and tartans available... but the price is much more in my "ballpark" or affordability.... Cujo |
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« Reply #1024 on: August 16, 2011, 08:39:54 pm » |
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I own a few kilts and am gaining more all the time, I've been wearing them since my late teens and I'm prefectly comfortable in them. Why I remember the day when I surprised Herr Döktor by turning up to Strawberry Hill wearing trousers.
Also one should never worry about having ghastly white legs, that is the traditional colour for them, possibly with a hint of blue when north of the border.
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