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Author Topic: Sufficiently Advanced Steampunk Tech  (Read 583 times)
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« on: May 02, 2020, 09:52:27 am »

How Far On The Kardashev Scale Do You Love Your Retrofuture ? Do Clarktech Have His Place In Steampunk ?


Before steampunk, i was a big anticipation sci fi fan and i retained what i loved in this genre in my vision of steam tech. My philosophy is the possibilities are infinite as long you have the right esthetic.
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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2020, 07:03:31 pm »

Our current civilization is a simulation inside a steam-powered difference engine built by a Kardishav III society. The fact that a typical steam difference engine runs at approximately 1 Hz explains why the current damnable CoViD plague seems so interminable.
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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2020, 02:50:52 pm »

It depends on how Aesthetic and Logistic oriented you are. I suppose you can have aesthetically steampunk clarketech, but it can't be *logistically* steampunk.

Aesthetic: how things look.
Logistic: how things work.
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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2020, 06:14:03 pm »

First, I don't believe in Kardashev scales or RPG "tech levels" as a means to define the advancement of technology in a civilization. Technology is a very broad thing, and different aspects may advance at very different rates depending on many variables, so one area of technology does not pace its advancements according to the advancements of another area of technology. I give as an example Heinlein story I vaguely recall in which a navigator uses a slide rule to calculate hyperspace jumps.

If you define steampunk purely in style; i.e. the clothing worn by the characters; the organizations, etc, then you could have Star Trek style FTL travel and teleporters and still call it steampunk, but I don't think that many people define steampunk that way.

If you have a scenario that requires some superadvanced device in a Victorian setting, may I suggest this cheat: what if an alien spacecraft crashed in England circa 1800?
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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2020, 08:48:58 am »

... I give as an example Heinlein story I vaguely recall in which a navigator uses a slide rule to calculate hyperspace jumps.

And in reality followed fiction! The Appollo astronauts had slide rules for backup.

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« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2020, 09:12:23 am »

Regarding the original questions and  the Kardashev scale -

whilst I personally feel that steampunk is not even at level I , I also do not feel that the  Kardashev scale is relevant to truly advanced civilizations.
It is my belief that the constant pursuit of consuming ever increasing amounts of energy is indicative of a self-destructive civilization.
I believe that a truly advanced civilization would, by necessity , embrace balance

consider, for example, the "Nox" in that great old series "Stargate" .
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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2020, 01:39:25 pm »

I must say i agree with that last one . A look outside is sufficient to see than a species must learn to cohabit with his planet if he want to advance enough to conquer other. It is hovewer precisely because i don’t believe in linear tech advancement ( like every steampunk fans by definition) than i love to play with the idea of a super advanced retrofuture. And yes, Steampunk is primarily a aesthetic genre for me .
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