The COVID Ridiculousness Thread

[Darkhound]

And we have a small scandal.

The nurse at the hospital didn't expect the protective coveralls to be so transparent. Except that it is very hot.

At first they wanted to punish her. And then when people said-what the fuck, what to punish? Punish those who gave her such protection suits. She was forgiven.

Besides, it's great for the male patients' morale! At least she's wearing nice underwear.

[SeVeNeVeS]

And we have a small scandal.

The nurse at the hospital didn't expect the protective coveralls to be so transparent. Except that it is very hot.

At first they wanted to punish her. And then when people said-what the fuck, what to punish? Punish those who gave her such protection suits. She was forgiven.

I don't see anything wrong here, she is not showing more than a swimsuit would. Front line bikini line, under ware social care, key worker, clothing shirker, etc etc.

[bicyclebuilder]

A couple of months ago, the rule was that one can not sit at a restaurant with a party of non-relatives.
But one could sit in a car with a party of non-relatives.
A local cafe parked a couple of cars on his lot and served the beverages in the cars.

Also, regarding masks: One of the first information our government has given us, is that if you want to wear a mask, it has to be a medical approved mask, other masks would not suffice. Then everyone started hordering medical masks and all of the sudden, regular masks or even DIY masks were good enough. So much so that it is now mandatory to wear a mask in public transportation. Of course, with the also mandatory magic 1 1/2 meter distancing.

Does Covid-19 magically disappear after 1 1/2 meter? Imagine standing at a traffic light, with a smoking person in another car in front of you. At one point, you will smell the smoke inside your own car even though both your as the smokers car have their windows closed. That is how far particles can travel. I can give you the same example about a bathroom visit after someone went for #2 half an hour ago, that is how long particles can linger.

Now back to a little bit of Steampunk/Fantasy: Imagine Covid-19 was the zombie virus, we would all be dead by now.
Imagine the rules:
- Always wear a helmet to prevent the eating of your brains;
- No wait, just in public transport and public areas;
- All helmets are sold out, a cloth baseball cap would suffice;
- You can sit in a car with a zombie, as long as you wear a helmet or baseball cap;
- You know what, a home made, knitted beanie is also good;
- Clear your throat with a well articulated "Ahum Ahum" not "Huuummm". As a matter a fact, humming is not allowed, anywhere, ever. Period!;
- The zombie test is like a DUI traffic stop, if you can run, you are good to go. 

[Prof Marvel]

My Good Bicycle Builder ! It is a pleasure to see you again!

......
Now back to a little bit of Steampunk/Fantasy: Imagine Covid-19 was the zombie virus, we would all be dead by now.

Not ALL of us... those who had already prepared for the Zombie virus would in a much better position.... until we screw up!

Imagine the rules:
- Always wear a helmet to prevent the eating of your brains;
- No wait, just in public transport and public areas;
- All helmets are sold out, a cloth baseball cap would suffice;
- You can sit in a car with a zombie, as long as you wear a helmet or baseball cap;
- You know what, a home made, knitted beanie is also good;
- Clear your throat with a well articulated "Ahum Ahum" not "Huuummm". As a matter a fact, humming is not allowed, anywhere, ever. Period!;
- The zombie test is like a DUI traffic stop, if you can run, you are good to go. 

Check out the movie Zombieland - the have all the rules in a nice little popup format!
and it pays to keep sharp longhandle shovels handy....

yhs
prof marvel

[Sorontar]

Welcome back bicyclebuilder.

Don't forget that the CDC has always been prepared for a zombie apocalypse - https://www.cdc.gov/cpr/zombie/index.htm

Sorontar

[J. Wilhelm]

Does Covid-19 magically disappear after 1 1/2 meter?

It's math. You will be subjected to viral particles every day, everyhere, even right now in your house and job. The question is not if you get sick from a particle, but rather how many viral particles you need to have on your mucous membrane to get sick. It's called "viral load." One particle may not make you sick, because even if your defenses are not good the body can defeat a few viral particles by way of destroying a few misbehaving cells with T-Cells, also known as Leukocytes. Imagine a sick person has breathed 100000 virus particles away from his face by 10 cm. At 20 cm the number of particles has diffused by a factor of 8 (2³=8). That's 12500 particles. At 30 cm the viral load is 1/27, or 3000 particles. At 40 cm it's 1/64. At 1m you get exposed to only 100 particles. At 1.5 metres you get exposed to only 29 particles. Not enough for you to get sick, even if you breathe all 29 particles... Yes?

[MWBailey]

Does Covid-19 magically disappear after 1 1/2 meter?

It's math. You will be subjected to viral particles every day, everyhere, even right now in your house and job. The question is not if you get sick from a particle, but rather how many viral particles you need to have on your mucous membrane to get sick. It's called "viral load." One particle may not make you sick, because even if your defenses are not good the body can defeat a few viral particles by way of destroying a few misbehaving cells with T-Cells, also known as Leukocytes. Imagine a sick person has breathed 100000 virus particles away from his face by 10 cm. At 20 cm the number of particles has diffused by a factor of 8 (2³=8). That's 12500 particles. At 30 cm the viral load is 1/27, or 3000 particles. At 40 cm it's 1/64. At 1m you get exposed to only 100 particles. At 1.5 metres you get exposed to only 29 particles. Not enough for you to get sick, even if you breathe all 29 particles... Yes?

Weelll... 

As many of you are aware, I do artwork. I hesitate to call myself an "artist," because my relevant degree is an Associate of Applied Science in Commercial Art - basically a two-year, close-to-nothing, graphic arts-type piece of paper that says "yes, Bailey knows how to do pasteup, pre-1990s typography [relevant because various desktop publishing apps came out in the 80s and early 90s that made post-1990 typography little more skill-intensive than simply pressing three or four keys and messing with a mouse], 4-color process, and can draw/paint/digitize several lines in the same general area and make it look like something artistic." Anyway, I do, and have done,  artwork, of many various, diverse kinds.

One of the types of artwork I have done is sprayed paint, both the spray-can variety, and airbrushing (I much prefer airbrushing, because of the inherent control one has over both the tool(s) and the medium itself).

The relevance? Welllll... In the airbrushing classrooom, things were so well-controlled pressure, workstation location, and airflow wise that one's paint droplets seldom gravitated onto anyone else's work area. The makeup of said droplets, when you get right down to it, is not that much different from a mucous droplet.

Also, notice that I did not say that one's paint droplets never got onto anyone esle's work surface.

I said, seldom.

In other words, every once in a while, some did. Even, occasionally, from all the way across what amounted to a full-sized studio-type classroom; something like 60 feet or more. The instructor explained that it was because some paint (he said), always drifts. Which, by the way, makes me wonder just how valid it is to say that fans in a room are effective in dispersing the droplets.

Anyway, if the wind changed, or there was a gust from the doorway, or somebody went and stood in front of the fan to cool off, or any number of things that affected the air currents in the room occurred - paint vapor suddenly started drifting in new and catastrophic directions. Not just droplets. Outright vapor clouds.. Luckily, most of the clouds were very, very small, as we're talking about Paasche and Badger-brand airbrushes here, with little pigment cups that only held about a tablespoon of liquid at a time, and thus squirted only tiny amounts of paint if one pressed the air/[paint flow control button and moved the tool in the prescribed manner, but still.

if enough droplets to discolor a gradation on acetate  can drift across a studio, seems to me it's possible for a whole lot of 'rona droplets to act in the same manner.

[Rockula]

We cannot 'socialise' in our own homes or gather in groups of more than 6 people.

Unless we're going to work in an office.
Or travelling to and from work on Public Transport.
Or sitting in a pub.
Or we are one of the 6,000 people given tickets to attend the St. Leger horse race.
Or we are going to school.

[Deimos]

We cannot 'socialise' in our own homes or gather in groups of more than 6 people.

Unless we're going to work in an office.
Or travelling to and from work on Public Transport.
Or sitting in a pub.
Or we are one of the 6,000 people given tickets to attend the St. Leger horse race.
Or we are going to school.

George Orwell, call your office....


                

[J. Wilhelm]

We cannot 'socialise' in our own homes or gather in groups of more than 6 people.

Unless we're going to work in an office.
Or travelling to and from work on Public Transport.
Or sitting in a pub.
Or we are one of the 6,000 people given tickets to attend the St. Leger horse race.
Or we are going to school.

In other words, unless you do the things you have to do anyways... well, you don't *have* to attend a horse race or go to a pub, but kids need to go to school and adults need to work and ride mass transport if they don't have a car.

George Orwell, call your office....

That train left the station years ago

"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
Big Brother is watching you."

                                                                     - George Orwell

[Prof Marvel]

The relevance? Welllll... In the airbrushing classrooom, things were so well-controlled pressure, workstation location, and airflow wise that one's paint droplets seldom gravitated onto anyone else's work area. The makeup of said droplets, when you get right down to it, is not that much different from a mucous droplet.

Also, notice that I did not say that one's paint droplets never got onto anyone esle's work surface.

I said, seldom.

In other words, every once in a while, some did. Even, occasionally, from all the way across what amounted to a full-sized studio-type classroom; something like 60 feet or more. The instructor explained that it was because some paint (he said), always drifts. Which, by the way, makes me wonder just how valid it is to say that fans in a room are effective in dispersing the droplets.

Anyway, if the wind changed, or there was a gust from the doorway, or somebody went and stood in front of the fan to cool off, or any number of things that affected the air currents in the room occurred - paint vapor suddenly started drifting in new and catastrophic directions. Not just droplets. Outright vapor clouds.. Luckily, most of the clouds were very, very small, as we're talking about Paasche and Badger-brand airbrushes here, with little pigment cups that only held about a tablespoon of liquid at a time, and thus squirted only tiny amounts of paint if one pressed the air/[paint flow control button and moved the tool in the prescribed manner, but still.

if enough droplets to discolor a gradation on acetate  can drift across a studio, seems to me it's possible for a whole lot of 'rona droplets to act in the same manner.

And you sir, have just described the Real-World Engineering Demonstration of how this stuff happens

No need for MD's et al to spend days doing "Thought Experiments" or weeks doing "computer models" and/or Physists doing calcualtions....

pragmatic
practical
simple
repeatable
proof.

Soooooo
- get a good  well-fitted mask
- learn how to put it on properly, wear it properly, take it off properly, sanitize it properly
-wear it religously
-wear eye protection

- don't eat or drink in public

-wash your hands and surfaces with soap and water.

- avoid zombies

repeat.

yhs
prf mrvl

[Athanor]

(Sigh . . . .)  there are still people, here in Western Canada, who are convinced that:

 (a) Covid19 is a hoax; and
 (b) Climate change is a hoax,

  . . . all a plot by those goddamn Libruls in Ottawa to grab more taxes . . .

There's just no reasoning with some folks; reports of 30 million Covid cases worldwide, almost a million deaths, unprecedented forest fires in California, Oregon and Washington, Greenland and Antarctic ice shelves collapsing, hottest summer on record, etc., etc., all "fake news" . . ..

Athanor

[Synistor 303]

(Sigh . . . .)  there are still people, here in Western Canada, who are convinced that:

 (a) Covid19 is a hoax; and
 (b) Climate change is a hoax,

  . . . all a plot by those goddamn Libruls in Ottawa to grab more taxes . . .

There's just no reasoning with some folks; reports of 30 million Covid cases worldwide, almost a million deaths, unprecedented forest fires in California, Oregon and Washington, Greenland and Antarctic ice shelves collapsing, hottest summer on record, etc., etc., all "fake news" . . ..

Athanor

Sadly, that is the case here in Australia too - and in the UK and New Zealand and probably every country in the world. I thought, as a collective member of the human race, we were all supposed to become more intelligent with the passing of time, with better education, nutrition etc. Obviously not. It looks like the movie Idiocracy, was actually a documentary...

[Prof Marvel]

(Sigh . . . .)  there are still people, here in Western Canada, who are convinced that:

 (a) Covid19 is a hoax; and
 (b) Climate change is a hoax,

  . . . all a plot by those goddamn Libruls in Ottawa to grab more taxes . . .

There's just no reasoning with some folks; reports of 30 million Covid cases worldwide, almost a million deaths, unprecedented forest fires in California, Oregon and Washington, Greenland and Antarctic ice shelves collapsing, hottest summer on record, etc., etc., all "fake news" . . ..

Athanor

Sadly, that is the case here in Australia too - and in the UK and New Zealand and probably every country in the world. I thought, as a collective member of the human race, we were all supposed to become more intelligent with the passing of time, with better education, nutrition etc.


Obviously not. It looks like the movie Idiocracy, was actually a documentary...

emphasis by me....

Ow My Balls

[MWBailey]

(Sigh . . . .)  there are still people, here in Western Canada, who are convinced that:

 (a) Covid19 is a hoax; and
 (b) Climate change is a hoax,

  . . . all a plot by those goddamn Libruls in Ottawa to grab more taxes . . .

There's just no reasoning with some folks; reports of 30 million Covid cases worldwide, almost a million deaths, unprecedented forest fires in California, Oregon and Washington, Greenland and Antarctic ice shelves collapsing, hottest summer on record, etc., etc., all "fake news" . . ..

Athanor

Sadly, that is the case here in Australia too - and in the UK and New Zealand and probably every country in the world. I thought, as a collective member of the human race, we were all supposed to become more intelligent with the passing of time, with better education, nutrition etc.


Obviously not. It looks like the movie Idiocracy, was actually a documentary...

emphasis by me....

Ow My Balls

I have several Facebook friends who are of similar conviction. Oh, they  wear masks and all, but only because
1. They'll be fined if they don't, and
2. They want to protect themselves and the rest of us form the regular Flu, since that's obviously not a hoax - buuut... They refuse to get vaccinated for it or the 'Rona, because...

I kid you not...

They believe that vaccinations cause autism and implantation of "Big Brother" nanochips.

Yes, I think it's darkly funny. No, I am not joking.

[J. Wilhelm]

I'd be laughing if it wasn't so serious. Sadly temperatures are turning down already, and experts are warning people to "hunker down" (there is not much of a fall sometimes). The vaccine will be late as it is in the US maybe we'll see it by May. Government implanted chip or not 

The British Astra Zeneca + Oxford vaccine had a couple of hiccups. Let's hope this doesn't kill the vaccine. At least 600 000 doses in Latin America depend on their success, bankrolled by Carlos Slim from Mexico and manufactured by Hugo Sigman in Argentina. In the meantime the Russians are already selling the vaccine for early next year, about 1.2 billion doses to three continents.

And that's not taking into account everything else happening at the same time (because we don't have enough things to worry about).

Should the Astra Zeneca vaccine (live monkey virus as a vehicle for Covid-19 RNA) prove to be safe, it might come before the American Moderna vaccine (messenger RNA, with "artificial virus"). I'm not happy that the Astra Zeneca vaccine had a target effectiveness of 50% prior to being released. Seems very low to me. The United States CDC is touting 70% effectiveness as a requirement, which sounds more reasonable.

Does anyone have any data on the other major vaccines?