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« Reply #400 on: July 11, 2020, 02:30:08 pm »

Victoria is currently expecting test results to take up to 2 days, but we get daily numbers on how many new infections there are, and whether they have been linked to known clusters, international travellers under quarantine in hotels or are (so far) unknown community transmissions. They also update the previous records as they contact trace. Because most Aussie states and territory have very low infection numbers (single digit per day or even week), the other states are helping Victoria do the contact tracing of the new infections (216 today!).

What sort of information are each of you getting from authorities? Is there one source or do the press have to gather the numbers from multiple sources?

Sorontar

Click on the link above the Daily Cases for Arizona. Most states have a web page set-up like that. Together with the CDC, those would be the official figures.. The Press gather from both official and private sources. The thing with this national administration is that there is no centralized effort. States are doing most of the decision making by themselves... The worst part is that states have had to bid against each other and the federal government for resources like respirators. Often there have been conflicts between states and the federal government over allocation of supplies...
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« Reply #401 on: July 11, 2020, 08:36:06 pm »

EPA: 2 Lysol Sprays Proven to Kill Novel Coronavirus

FDA Expands Warning on Methanol-Tainted Hand Sanitizers
Deaths, blindness tied to toxic ingredient found in imported sanitizers



from https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2020/methanol-hand-sanitizer-recall.html


by Peter Urban, Updated July 9, 2020

snip---------
In Arizona, 16 people who were hospitalized in June for toxic alcohol exposure admitted to drinking hand sanitizer. Six others suspected of doing the same also were hospitalized but denied drinking hand sanitizer, according to the Arizona Poison and Drug Information Center.

"No amount of methanol should be found in hand sanitizers. Methanol can be extremely toxic, which is why we are seeing such an increase in hospitalizations,” said the center's director Steve Dudley, in a statement.

....


55 Hand Sanitizers Subject to FDA Safety Warning

    BLUMEN Advanced Instant Hand Sanitizer Clear, manufactured by 4E Global, SAPI de CV (*NDC: 60599-015-00, 60599-015-01, 60599-015-02)

    Blumen Clear Advanced Hand Sanitizer with 70% Alcohol, manufactured by 4E Global, SAPI de CV (No NDC listed)

    Blumen Advanced Instant Hand Sanitizer Clear Ethyl Alcohol 70%, manufactured by 4E Global, SAPI de CV (No NDC listed)

    KLAR AND DANVER Instant Hand Sanitizer (labeled with Greenbrier International Inc.), manufactured by 4E Global, SAPI de CV (NDC: 33992-8010-1)

    MODESA Instant Hand Sanitizer Moisturizers and Vitamin E, manufactured by 4E Global, SAPI de CV (NDC: 60599-007-33)

    BLUMEN Advanced Hand Sanitizer, manufactured by 4E Global, SAPI de CV (NDC: 60599-012-00, 60599-012-01, 60599-012-02, 60599-012-03, 60599-012-04, 60599-012-05, 60599-012-06, 60599-012-07, 60599-012-08, 60599-012-10)

    BLUMEN Advanced Hand Sanitizer Aloe, manufactured by 4E Global, SAPI de CV (NDC: 60599-013-00, 60599-013-01, 60599-014-00)

    BLUMEN Advanced Instant Hand Sanitizer Lavender, manufactured by 4E Global, SAPI de CV (NDC: 60599-016-00)

    BLUMEN Clear LEAR Advanced Hand Sanitizer, manufactured by 4E Global, SAPI de CV (NDC: 60599-017-00, 60599-017-01, 60599-018-00, 60599-018-01)

    BLUEMEN Clear Advanced Hand Sanitizer, manufactured by 4E Global, SAPI de CV (NDC: 60599-018-02, 60599-018-03, 60599-018-04, 60599-018-05, 60599-018-06, 60599-018-07, 60599-018-08, 60599-019-00)

    The Honeykeeper Hand Sanitizer, manufactured by 4E Global, SAPI de CV (NDC: 60599-020-00, 60599-020-01)

    BLUMEN Advanced Hand Sanitizer Clear, manufactured by 4E Global, SAPI de CV (NDC: 60599-024-00)

    BLUMEN Clear Advanced Instant Hand Sanitizer, manufactured by 4E Global, SAPI de CV (NDC: 60599-025-00)

    BLUMEN Clear Advanced Instant Hand Sanitizer Aloe, manufactured by 4E Global, SAPI de CV (NDC: 60599-026-00)

    BLUMEN Clear Advanced Instant Hand Sanitizer Lavender, manufactured by 4E Global, SAPI de CV (NDC: 60599-027-00)

    BLUMEN Aloe Advanced Hand Sanitizer, with 70 Alcohol, manufactured by 4E Global, SAPI de CV (NDC: 60599-028-00, 60599-029-00)

    Blumen Advanced Hand Sanitizer Lavender, with 70% alcohol, manufactured by 4E Global, SAPI de CV (NDC: 60599-046-00)

    Blumen Advanced Hand Sanitizer Aloe, with 70% alcohol, manufactured by 4E Global, SAPI de CV (NDC: 60599-047-00)

    Blumen Antibacterial Fresh Citrus Hand Sanitizer, manufactured by 4E Global, SAPI de CV (NDC: 60599-501-01)

    Blumen Hand Sanitizer Fresh Citrus, manufactured by 4E Global, SAPI de CV (NDC: 60599-502-01)

    KLAR and DANVER INSTANT HAND SANTIZER, manufactured by 4E Global, SAPI de CV (NDC: 60599-801-00)

    Hello Kitty by Sanrio Hand Sanitizer, manufactured by 4E Global, SAPI de CV (NDC: 60599-802-00)

    Assured Instant Hand Sanitizer (Vitamin E and Aloe), manufactured by 4E Global, SAPI de CV (NDC: 60599-850-00)

    Assured Instant Hand Sanitizer (Aloe and Moisturizers), manufactured by 4E Global, SAPI de CV (NDC: 60599-851-00)

    Assured Instant Hand Sanitizer Vitamin E and Aloe, manufactured by 4E Global, SAPI de CV (NDC: 60599-852-00)

    Assured Instant Hand Sanitizer Aloe and Moisturizers, manufactured by 4E Global, SAPI de CV (NDC: 60599-853-00)

    BLUMEN Instant Hand Sanitizer Fragrance Free, manufactured by 4E Global, SAPI de CV (NDC: 60599-854-00)

    BLUMEN Instant Hand Sanitizer Aloe Vera, manufactured by 4E Global, SAPI de CV (NDC: 60599-855-00)

    Assured Aloe, manufactured by 4E Global, SAPI de CV (NDC: 60599-999-10)

    bio aaa Advance Hand Sanitizer, manufactured by AAA Cosmetica (NDC: 76987-402-01)

    LumiSkin Advance Hand Sanitizer 4 oz, manufactured by AAA Cosmetica (NDC: 76987-120-01)

    LumiSkin Advance Hand Sanitizer 16 oz, manufactured by AAA Cosmetica (NDC: 76987-402-02)

    QualitaMed Hand Sanitizer, manufactured by AAA Cosmetica (NDC: 76987-250-01)

    Earths Amenities Instant Unscented Hand Sanitizer with Aloe Vera Advanced, manufactured by DDI Multinacional SA de CV (NDC: 74949-002-20, 74949-002-25, 74949-002-49, 74949-002-60)

    Hand Sanitizer Agavespa Skincare, manufactured by DDI Multinacional SA de CV (NDC: 77415-000-00)

    Vidanos Easy Cleaning Rentals Hand Sanitizer Agavespa Skincare, manufactured by DDI Multinacional SA de CV (NDC: 77056-000-01)

    All-Clean Hand Sanitizer, manufactured by Eskbiochem SA de CV (NDC: 74589-002-01)

    Esk Biochem Hand Sanitizer, manufactured by Eskbiochem SA de CV (NDC: 74589-007-01)

    Lavar 70 Gel Hand Sanitizer, manufactured by Eskbiochem SA de CV (NDC: 74589-006-01)

    The Good Gel Antibacterial Gel Hand Sanitizer, manufactured by Eskbiochem SA de CV (NDC: 74589-010-10)

    CleanCare NoGerm Advanced Hand Sanitizer 80% Alcohol, manufactured by Eskbiochem SA de CV (NDC: 74589-005-03)

    CleanCare NoGerm Advanced Hand Sanitizer 75% Alcohol, manufactured by Eskbiochem SA de CV (NDC: 74589-009-01)

    CleanCare NoGerm Advanced Hand Sanitizer 80% Alcohol, manufactured by Eskbiochem SA de CV (NDC: 74589-003-01)

    Saniderm Advanced Hand Sanitizer, manufactured by Eskbiochem SA de CV (NDC: 74589-001-01)

    Hand sanitizer Gel Unscented 70% Alcohol, manufactured by Grupo Insoma, S.A.P.I de CV (NDC: 75744-0200-3, 75744-0200-4, 75744-0201-5, 75744-0202-1, 75744-0250-1, 75744-0250-2, 75744-0500-1, 75744-1000-1, 75744-1000-3, 75744-1001-1)

    Andy’s Best, manufactured by Limpo Quimicos SA de CV (NDC: 73755-120-01, 73755-120-02, 73755-120-04)

    Andy’s, manufactured by Limpo Quimicos SA de CV (NDC: 73755-110-01, 73755-130-02)

    Gelclor, manufactured by Limpo Quimicos SA de CV (NDC: 73755-140-01)

    NeoNatural, manufactured by Limpo Quimicos SA de CV (NDC: 73755-200-01, 73755-200-02)

    Plus Advanced, manufactured by Limpo Quimicos SA de CV (NDC: 73755-300-01)

    Optimus Lubricants Instant Hand Sanitizer, manufactured by Liqesa Exportacion or Liq-E-S.A. de CV (NDC: 75416-004-01, 75416-005-01)

    Bersih Hand Sanitizer Gel Fragrance Free, manufactured by Soluciones Cosmeticas SA de CV (NDC: 75165-003-02, 75165-004-01, 75165-005-01, 75165-006-01, 75165-008-01, 75165-250-01, 75165-600-01)

    Antiseptic Alcohol 70% Topical Solution hand sanitizer, manufactured by Soluciones Cosmeticas SA de CV (No NDC listed)

    Mystic Shield Protection hand sanitizer, manufactured by Transliquid Technologies (NDC: 75477-435-02, 75477-435-10, 75477-435-12, 75477-435-25, 75477-435-50, 75477-534-10)

    Britz Hand Sanitizer Ethyl Alcohol 70%, manufactured by Tropicosmeticos SA de CV (NDC: 76676-402-01, 77676-402-02, 77676-402-03, 77676-402-04, 77676-402-05, 77676-402-06, 77676-402-07, 77676-402-08, 77676-402-09, 77676-402-10, 77676-402-11, 77676-402-12, 77676-402-13, 77676-402-14, 77676-402-16, 77676-402-17,
77676-402-18, 77676-402-19, 77676-402-20)

*National Drug Code (NDC) is a unique identifier assigned to drug products, including hand sanitizers.

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« Reply #402 on: July 11, 2020, 10:51:17 pm »

..

Our numbers in AZ are down, 'way down:
 from 5272 on 29 June to 1817 on 6 July (numbers from more recent dates have not been fully tallied)

I sincerely hope so. EDIT: OK I see what you mean - I just saw the dashboard for daily new cases. That is a dramatic and sudden downturn. What was the tactic taken to lead to that sharp downturn?

When I saw the numbers earlier today it was just the deaths statistic. But deaths always trail behind daily. What I've heard in the last week is that Texas and California and Florida are the worst, followed by Arizona. I really want Gov. Abbot to reign this situation in...

From CNBC 9 hours ago....
CNBC: Coronavirus deaths tick up in Florida, Texas, California, Arizona as states grapple with growing outbreaks.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/10/coronavirus-deaths-tick-up-in-florida-texas-california-arizona.html
Daily deaths per state.


I think the reason for the reduction in [reported] cases may be related to the guv giving all AZ municipalities the power to mandate mask wearing when in public venues.
(He never mandated it for the state anywhere at any time.)
The result of the new edict was that every mayor has mandated masks.
Not surprised that FL and AZ have an uptick in deaths....both states have a much higher elderly population (per capita) than almost any other state.
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« Reply #403 on: July 12, 2020, 01:50:10 pm »

We-all will shoot the Covid AND the Hurricanes!

Well there was that time at my former job when a tornado was literally coming down the street towards our building and most of my co-workers, especially all of the management, went out into the street to watch it come (it turned a couple of blocks away). I guess I should be surprised no one shot at it.

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« Reply #404 on: July 12, 2020, 09:46:49 pm »

EPA: 2 Lysol Sprays Proven to Kill Novel Coronavirus
<SNIP>
FDA Expands Warning on Methanol-Tainted Hand Sanitizers
Deaths, blindness tied to toxic ingredient found in imported sanitizers



from https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2020/methanol-hand-sanitizer-recall.html


by Peter Urban, Updated July 9, 2020

snip---------
In Arizona, 16 people who were hospitalized in June for toxic alcohol exposure admitted to drinking hand sanitizer. Six others suspected of doing the same also were hospitalized but denied drinking hand sanitizer, according to the Arizona Poison and Drug Information Center.

"No amount of methanol should be found in hand sanitizers. Methanol can be extremely toxic, which is why we are seeing such an increase in hospitalizations,” said the center's director Steve Dudley, in a statement.

....
<SNIP>






Methanol may in fact be poisonous to people who drink it...

BUT WHO IN THEIR BLAZING RIGHT MINDS WOULD DRINK HAND SANITIZER?!

It ain't THAT kind of alcohol, chilluns.

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« Reply #405 on: July 12, 2020, 10:02:27 pm »

In other news...

We have just received word by private email that a customer who frequents the same beauty shop as my dear Mother has, along with her entire extended family, been tested positive for the virus.

The owner/operator of the salon in question was locally famous (notorious?) for her fastidiousness and zealous attention to keeping her place of business immaculate even before the virus  came to our shores. Since the COVID reared its ugly head, she has been even more so, which means that even if the woman in question did have the virus at the time of her last visit, it has been more than a week since, and the place had been sanitized and alcohol-spray-regimened no less than seven times since, before Mom got there on Friday last. She's been wearing a mask, but I and Dad told her that it was largely superfluous, since if she were in fact  infected, that fact would pretty much mean that Dad and I are already infected as well (none of us have as yet shown any symptoms, save for my usual thermonuclear version of hayfever that I have pretty much all summer long and into the Fall each year  - and I've often worn a mask indoors and out much of the time because of that in any case, long before the current pandemic.

BUT...

Just in case I suddenly drop off the map sometime soon... Well, you know.  Wink
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« Reply #406 on: July 12, 2020, 10:24:01 pm »

In other news...

We have just received word by private email that a customer who frequents the same beauty shop as my dear Mother has, along with her entire extended family, been tested positive for the virus.

The owner/operator of the salon in question was locally famous (notorious?) for her fastidiousness and zealous attention to keeping her place of business immaculate even before the virus  came to our shores. Since the COVID reared its ugly head, she has been even more so, which means that even if the woman in question did have the virus at the time of her last visit, it has been more than a week since, and the place had been sanitized and alcohol-spray-regimened no less than seven times since, before Mom got there on Friday last. She's been wearing a mask, but I and Dad told her that it was largely superfluous, since if she were in fact  infected, that fact would pretty much mean that Dad and I are already infected as well (none of us have as yet shown any symptoms, save for my usual thermonuclear version of hayfever that I have pretty much all summer long and into the Fall each year  - and I've often worn a mask indoors and out much of the time because of that in any case, long before the current pandemic.

BUT...

Just in case I suddenly drop off the map sometime soon... Well, you know.  Wink


Time for a family summer vacation to West Texas perhaps? I hear Alpine is lovely this time of year... I swear if I had an online income and an RV I'd be there already.
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« Reply #407 on: July 12, 2020, 10:41:29 pm »

In other news...

We have just received word by private email that a customer who frequents the same beauty shop as my dear Mother has, along with her entire extended family, been tested positive for the virus.

The owner/operator of the salon in question was locally famous (notorious?) for her fastidiousness and zealous attention to keeping her place of business immaculate even before the virus  came to our shores. Since the COVID reared its ugly head, she has been even more so, which means that even if the woman in question did have the virus at the time of her last visit, it has been more than a week since, and the place had been sanitized and alcohol-spray-regimened no less than seven times since, before Mom got there on Friday last. She's been wearing a mask, but I and Dad told her that it was largely superfluous, since if she were in fact  infected, that fact would pretty much mean that Dad and I are already infected as well (none of us have as yet shown any symptoms, save for my usual thermonuclear version of hayfever that I have pretty much all summer long and into the Fall each year  - and I've often worn a mask indoors and out much of the time because of that in any case, long before the current pandemic.

BUT...

Just in case I suddenly drop off the map sometime soon... Well, you know.  Wink


Time for a family summer vacation to West Texas perhaps? I hear Alpine is lovely this time of year... I swear if I had an online income and an RV I'd be there already.

Try relocating here and you get sent home by police - you must reside at your primary place of residence to avoid spreading contagion to an area where the virus may not have reached. At the start of the plague many people here were caught up in bushfire dramas and had to return home from summer holidays, and there they stayed, most of them, until the plague hit.
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« Reply #408 on: July 12, 2020, 10:59:01 pm »

Heh! We cross-posted in two different boards. Read my post on Chicar's thread.

I don't think it's the same way here, other than local authorities who may or may not do that, depending on the city mayor, and local residents who feel at risk from contagion and more fundamentally having potential to drain emergency resources (the main problem, actually)

But reducing population density in an organized way would help reduce transmission. It's very much a function of distance. The problem is that if you leave town for another and just congregate again, you're just repeating the same conditions you had at your main residence. The only thing you can do is live inside an RV / caravan (UK sense of the word), or create a small isolated camp *away* from small towns. Basically go camping in the wild.

If you can isolate yourself with no contact with other people, and assume the risk of no help if you get ill, then it might work. During the Spanish Flu pandemic, one small town in America managed to keep the flu out, for almost all of WWI. The mayor simply roadblocked the town. They lost the fight after opening again...

If you could establish small caravans (US sense of the word) of people, isolated in the woods as colonies (so to speak, doesn't have to be the woods, North Texas is an alpine, but also a high altitude desert area) after being vetted for the virus, and then havetthe colony roadblocked completely, you could establish quarantined colonies that would keep virus free for as long as you can hold a tight quarantine. This means no visitors, all food shipments must be in transit or stored off location for at least 1 week, before townsfolk can have access to them, etc.
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« Reply #409 on: July 12, 2020, 11:34:30 pm »

In other news... Disney World in Florida just reopened *facepalm *
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« Reply #410 on: July 13, 2020, 12:34:50 am »

Also here's an article on getting Covid-19 more than once. There is mounting evidence that you can catch COVID-19 more than once. The human body's immunity is very short lived when you are one of those able to develop it and non existent in most people! Thus making herd immunity mere wishful thinking.

Vox.com: Getting Covid-19 twice: Why I think my patient was reinfected.
https://www.vox.com/2020/7/12/21321653/getting-covid-19-twice-reinfection-antibody-herd-immunity

According to the doctor who wrote the piece above, it's actually common for other illnesses including those cases by Human Coronavirus (1/3 of all common colds) and even Dengue fever to manifest in bouts of re-infection, with the severity of the illness increasing after each re infection.

The results from studies in Spain are more telling, with researches finding that only 5% of recovering patients go on to develop immunity. If these results hold outside of Spain, then there is no such thing as herd immunity for COVID 19.

https://medcitynews.com/2020/07/spanish-study-suggests-herd-immunity-against-covid-19-may-not-be-possible/
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« Reply #411 on: July 13, 2020, 08:30:37 am »


The results from studies in Spain are more telling, with researches finding that only 5% of recovering patients go on to develop immunity. If these results hold outside of Spain, then there is no such thing as herd immunity for COVID 19.

https://medcitynews.com/2020/07/spanish-study-suggests-herd-immunity-against-covid-19-may-not-be-possible/

And that, dear children , is how The Swedish Government decimated their own population themselves, leaving Sweden wide open
for us Norwegians to move in.....

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« Reply #412 on: July 13, 2020, 11:57:16 am »


The results from studies in Spain are more telling, with researches finding that only 5% of recovering patients go on to develop immunity. If these results hold outside of Spain, then there is no such thing as herd immunity for COVID 19.

https://medcitynews.com/2020/07/spanish-study-suggests-herd-immunity-against-covid-19-may-not-be-possible/

And that, dear children , is how The Swedish Government decimated their own population themselves, leaving Sweden wide open
for us Norwegians to move in.....



You got them right where you want them! I bet you that was an "idea" pushed by a crafty Norwegian. Though I suspect it was more likely a Dane tired from the never ending snoootyness coming from the Swedes.
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« Reply #413 on: July 13, 2020, 05:02:37 pm »

In other news...

We have just received word by private email that a customer who frequents the same beauty shop as my dear Mother has, along with her entire extended family, been tested positive for the virus.

The owner/operator of the salon in question was locally famous (notorious?) for her fastidiousness and zealous attention to keeping her place of business immaculate even before the virus  came to our shores. Since the COVID reared its ugly head, she has been even more so, which means that even if the woman in question did have the virus at the time of her last visit, it has been more than a week since, and the place had been sanitized and alcohol-spray-regimened no less than seven times since, before Mom got there on Friday last. She's been wearing a mask, but I and Dad told her that it was largely superfluous, since if she were in fact  infected, that fact would pretty much mean that Dad and I are already infected as well (none of us have as yet shown any symptoms, save for my usual thermonuclear version of hayfever that I have pretty much all summer long and into the Fall each year  - and I've often worn a mask indoors and out much of the time because of that in any case, long before the current pandemic.

BUT...

Just in case I suddenly drop off the map sometime soon... Well, you know.  Wink


Time for a family summer vacation to West Texas perhaps? I hear Alpine is lovely this time of year... I swear if I had an online income and an RV I'd be there already.




Nope, not going to risk being typhoid Mary to another whole region. If Mom doesn't test positive, I'm just going t o stay here an hunker r down like I've been doing, and be sides, it may well be t hat West Texas is already populated by noobs with the virus and just as dangerous. *shrug*
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« Reply #414 on: July 13, 2020, 10:54:43 pm »

In other news...

We have just received word by private email that a customer who frequents the same beauty shop as my dear Mother has, along with her entire extended family, been tested positive for the virus.

The owner/operator of the salon in question was locally famous (notorious?) for her fastidiousness and zealous attention to keeping her place of business immaculate even before the virus  came to our shores. Since the COVID reared its ugly head, she has been even more so, which means that even if the woman in question did have the virus at the time of her last visit, it has been more than a week since, and the place had been sanitized and alcohol-spray-regimened no less than seven times since, before Mom got there on Friday last. She's been wearing a mask, but I and Dad told her that it was largely superfluous, since if she were in fact  infected, that fact would pretty much mean that Dad and I are already infected as well (none of us have as yet shown any symptoms, save for my usual thermonuclear version of hayfever that I have pretty much all summer long and into the Fall each year  - and I've often worn a mask indoors and out much of the time because of that in any case, long before the current pandemic.

BUT...

Just in case I suddenly drop off the map sometime soon... Well, you know.  Wink


Time for a family summer vacation to West Texas perhaps? I hear Alpine is lovely this time of year... I swear if I had an online income and an RV I'd be there already.




Nope, not going to risk being typhoid Mary to another whole region. If Mom doesn't test positive, I'm just going t o stay here an hunker r down like I've been doing, and be sides, it may well be t hat West Texas is already populated by noobs with the virus and just as dangerous. *shrug*

Well I can tell you that anywhere along Interstate Highway 10 you will find the virus. That is true. Worse, people may have their guard down over there. You can literally track the highest infection rates on populations along the interstate highways. I was thinking more along the lines of camping away from civilisation but with the need to take care of your mother that may be impossible.
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« Reply #415 on: July 13, 2020, 11:00:11 pm »

Which brings me to this jewel...

Scientists now think that even with a vaccine, it's effect may only last for a few months. The body of most people who became ill and recovered and who form part of the 5% who do develop antibodies stops producing antibodies after a few months. That doesn't mean you can't manufacture new antibodies, as T cells are able to replicate the antibodies by memory! But you either need another shot to stimulate production or you get sick and the second time the body will mount a better defense, with a less severe illness (which contradicts other scientists point of view that subsequent infections can be worse for some virii.
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« Reply #416 on: July 14, 2020, 09:03:14 am »

Which brings me to this jewel...

Scientists now think that even with a vaccine, it's effect may only last for a few months. The body of most people who became ill and recovered and who form part of the 5% who do develop antibodies stops producing antibodies after a few months. That doesn't mean you can't manufacture new antibodies, as T cells are able to replicate the antibodies by memory! But you either need another shot to stimulate production or you get sick and the second time the body will mount a better defense, with a less severe illness (which contradicts other scientists point of view that subsequent infections can be worse for some virii.

This correlates to the related effect observed by a number of doctors, that some patients who have recovered soon lost immunity...

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« Reply #417 on: July 14, 2020, 09:23:28 am »

Which brings me to this jewel...

Scientists now think that even with a vaccine, it's effect may only last for a few months. The body of most people who became ill and recovered and who form part of the 5% who do develop antibodies stops producing antibodies after a few months. That doesn't mean you can't manufacture new antibodies, as T cells are able to replicate the antibodies by memory! But you either need another shot to stimulate production or you get sick and the second time the body will mount a better defense, with a less severe illness (which contradicts other scientists point of view that subsequent infections can be worse for some virii.

This correlates to the related effect observed by a number of doctors, that some patients who have recovered soon lost immunity...

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« Reply #418 on: July 14, 2020, 01:15:43 pm »

You know, for years, decades even, people, especially the environmentalists, have been complaining about over-population, that we need to reduce the number of people on the planet that are using up a finite amount of resources.

Well?.......Nature knows how to take care of things in her own way (which may not be the most desirable way that we prefer).
But she's pretty efficient...been doing it for quite a long time.
So you won't hear any complaints from me if the population is being reduced willy-nilly.
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« Reply #419 on: July 14, 2020, 03:52:36 pm »

You know, for years, decades even, people, especially the environmentalists, have been complaining about over-population, that we need to reduce the number of people on the planet that are using up a finite amount of resources.

Well?.......Nature knows how to take care of things in her own way (which may not be the most desirable way that we prefer).
But she's pretty efficient...been doing it for quite a long time.
So you won't hear any complaints from me if the population is being reduced willy-nilly.

My point of view is that humans are absolutely microscopic in relation to our surroundings. There is no way you can beat mother nature. She will snuff you out every single time.

There are steps one can take. Population is too high, yes, but unless you haven't heard, humanity has begun to self control. As nations become more prosperous there is a strong correlation between level of education and a lowered reproduction rate. Japan is a great example. China is  another. Not without negative repercusions, though (not enough working age people being replaced), and their population is now decreasing. The United States is just below the average number (1.2) of children each couple has in order to keep the population steady. Even in Mexico this is happening too. As a result, the population growth is not quite as explosive as it had been visualized back in the 70s. At least in the Far East and Western Hemisphere.
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« Reply #420 on: July 15, 2020, 08:19:34 am »

I wonder if some Aussies are trying to make a statement to the powers-that-be.

"Since Friday, police in Canberra have completed more than 450 spot checks on people to make sure they are self-isolating.
They are thrilled with the 100 per cent compliance rate but at times officers have gotten a bit more than they bargained for.
"There were a couple of occasions where people had come to the front door and they were missing a couple of items of clothing," Detective Superintendent Jason Kennedy said.
Police are happy that people are enjoying their time in isolation but would prefer to make sure any checks are not any more awkward than they need to be.
"It is good to see that people are comfortable in their own home," he said.
"But we will have made contact with you on the phone when we are at the front and that just gives you the opportunity to put some clothes on before you come to the front door".
Reporting by Isaac Nowroozi"

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-15/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-victoria-nsw/12455726
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« Reply #421 on: July 15, 2020, 10:14:31 am »

You know, for years, decades even, people, especially the environmentalists, have been complaining about over-population, that we need to reduce the number of people on the planet that are using up a finite amount of resources.

Well?.......Nature knows how to take care of things in her own way (which may not be the most desirable way that we prefer).
But she's pretty efficient...been doing it for quite a long time.
So you won't hear any complaints from me if the population is being reduced willy-nilly.

I do agree... Ifanyone is following news from Asia, there have been year-to-year increases in annual monsoon storms resulting in
horrendous floods, loss of life, and entire crops...

Even now in Japan and China,  the floods are taking lives in unfortunate numbers ( altho not as dramatic as the single 2011 tsunami flood, they are adding up)

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« Reply #422 on: July 15, 2020, 03:17:41 pm »

I wonder if some Aussies are trying to make a statement to the powers-that-be.

"Since Friday, police in Canberra have completed more than 450 spot checks on people to make sure they are self-isolating.
They are thrilled with the 100 per cent compliance rate but at times officers have gotten a bit more than they bargained for.
"There were a couple of occasions where people had come to the front door and they were missing a couple of items of clothing," Detective Superintendent Jason Kennedy said.
Police are happy that people are enjoying their time in isolation but would prefer to make sure any checks are not any more awkward than they need to be.
"It is good to see that people are comfortable in their own home," he said.
"But we will have made contact with you on the phone when we are at the front and that just gives you the opportunity to put some clothes on before you come to the front door".
Reporting by Isaac Nowroozi"

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-15/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-victoria-nsw/12455726

Or they're just a bunch of exhibitionists. "Well, hello, officer..."  Grin
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« Reply #423 on: July 15, 2020, 03:28:51 pm »


Or they're just a bunch of exhibitionists. "Well, hello, officer..."  Grin
"Is that a truncheon in your pocket?"  Grin
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« Reply #424 on: July 15, 2020, 03:45:57 pm »


Or they're just a bunch of exhibitionists. "Well, hello, officer..."  Grin
"Is that a truncheon in your pocket?"  Grin

Our cops don't have truncheons, they have those collapsible batons!
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