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And now for something completely different......

I always wanted to build the LBSC fire truck,

BUT:
-Water pump always runs, even in driving mode.
-Only one oscillating cylinder for propulsion (not self starting)
-Pump cylinder big enough to stall the machine

The plans have been re-drawn by Wittmann and De Waal and others but the main concept remained the same.

Then I found an abandoned project.
It was fitted with a gas burner and had a twin-cylinder double acting steam engine for the driving mode.
This was just fitting my requirement of driving and pumping engines being separate.
When it arrived I found that even on blocks it would not turn a wheel below 4 bars of boiler pressure.
Steam was leaking everywhere.
After an hour with the lapping stone I fired up again, put it on the workshop floor and.....suddenly it went off.
Drove through the workshop without the pressure gauge needle even lifting.
I then started searching for a pump. Wilesco once sold a steam fire engine using a gear pump.
I bought one as a spare, tested it and found that it was not self-priming (manual said it was), delivery was poor, pressure was even poorer.
So it went into the bin.
I now have a self-priming pump (essentially an old two cylinder boxer steam engine) powered by a two cylinder double acting steam engine.
Hose reels are Wilesco spares.
I am still waiting for the hand pump to arrive. This one will take water from the internal tank and deliver it into the boiler.
As a backup, the boiler can also be fed directly by the well known pump bottles.

The truck will be able to:
-take water from its internal tank
-take water from a sea or river (or bowl/bucket,...)
-deliver water into its own tank
-deliver water to two hoses
-have its own tank filled by another fire truck or scale hydrant

-drive forwards and backwards using a Wilesco steering extension.

Yesterday I made up a 3d wire model (copper wire and soldering iron) in order to get an impression of the final shape and size:





The internal water tank has a separate sight glass in the rear wall.
Next task is to make wooden ladders to go onto the roof.

As I am not too good at soldering tin parts together I might make the body out of angle brass and screw the panels to it.

If brute force does not work....you´re not using enough of it.

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Wow, the wire frame model looks great. Will you use that as part of the final design or is that just for these structural tests?

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No, this is just a help to find the final position of pump, pumping steam engine, gas tank, water tank and pipework.
Having the idea in my head, everything fits together perfectly.
Having a wireframe model shows the deficiencies and errors directly.
This wireframe gives a good impression of the final dimensions and proportions.

Still a long way to go.

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I just want your workshop. I have one desk in a shared office (with my significant other). One. Desk.


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Well, despite generally sticking to my plan of building up my collection of rolling stock and making a start on the colliery siding scene (which I may build as a scenic plank with a view to incorporating it into my finished Dukeswood layout) in my perusal of a certain Internet auction site seem to come into possession of a kit for a jinty (ex MR 3F tank) and a donor chassis.

Now, the question is, what livery should I finish it in? I'm tempted to go with LMS black, but given I've already finished my coal tank in LMS livery (with the intention of having it haul a pick up goods train) I'm tempted to use BR black and have it hauling a short commuter train alongside my standard 2 (if I ever get round to sorting out a chassis for it).
I made a note in my diary on the way over here. Simply says; "Bugger!"

"DON'T THINK OF IT AS DYING, JUST THINK OF IT AS LEAVING EARLY TO AVOID THE RUSH."

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It seems I forgot to provide an update last weekend when I'd been working on my jinty.




I've also decided to go with an early BR livery with British Rail lettering so as I have an excuse to try some weathering techniques as a workhorse style goods loco like this wouldn't be particularly high on anyone's list of priorities.

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Erm... could someone please take my credit card away? Or at least do something to hinder/prevent me shipping online?

I've just secured a pair of die-cast buses for use on Dukeswood (either as is or reference for appropriate public transport liveries), and it took a force of will not to add anything else to the basket...

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I like the little ex-Midland jinty.  Round-topped firebox, looks like Salter valves on the dome (?), and the earlier, smaller cab.  She's practically in Edwardian fit. 
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I like the little ex-Midland jinty.  Round-topped firebox, looks like Salter valves on the dome (?), and the earlier, smaller cab.  She's practically in Edwardian fit. 

You're determined to get me involved in pre-grouping aren't you?

And anoyingly it might just be working. I was out yesterday and spent some time seriously considering a volume about the L&YR. And as my ultimate dream of a railway room also includes something based around a 6'x4' oval (purely as a test track) as well as Dukeswood I may just get there.....
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You're determined to get me involved in pre-grouping aren't you?


:D 

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You're determined to get me involved in pre-grouping aren't you?


:D 


When and if we meet again in person Mr Harrison, we are going to be having words... although I suspect those words will mostly be "You" and "b*stard!".

I've been torturing myself all day with ideas for a small layout based around an Edwardian branch line terminus (especially since pre-grouping looks like it's shaping up to be the next big trend in RTR models) so as I have an excuse to invest in some of the shiny new models coming out. I have to keep reminding myself ONE hypothetical layout I'm looking to build is more than enough.

I'm starting to wish I'd gotten into something cheaper and less habit forming, like heroin.

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Well, if it has to be a 6' x 4' you could do worse than start with this as inspiration.

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Well I was thinking about something different. But it would save space....
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Lucky shot on German ebay:





This will be a good loco for my Milbro coaches.

Can anyone tell me if this is a series model, a kit or homebuilt?

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It's an LNER A4 class: https://www.lner.info/locos/A/a4.php

And it looks like it's been painted to resemble one of the first four built:



Unfortunately though I've no idea who the builder/ manufacturer was.  It doesn't look like a Hornby Dublo one, or a whitemetal kit.

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To my eye it looks like a kitbash. I think I see some signs of filler along the sides, and some joins where the streamlining meets the boiler. I suspect it may be an A1/3 kit someone's adding a cowling to in order to make it an A4.

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She´s here.
Quite heavy.
Desperately in need of an overhaul.
Lost some rivets in the valve gear, needs work on the front bogie as it fouls the frames when taking a turn.
Good strong motor and gearbox.
Pics to follow.

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Success!!!!

Tested TIGER last Sunday.
Runs forward and backwards now.
Now I call this project finished.

I still need to add some lead in hidden places as she has more power than traction.

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Well, I know I've been fairly quiet (thanks in no small part my ongoing lack of access to a decent model shop) but my latest piece is done.

On a whim I recently ended up buying a Dapol (former Airfix/kitmaster) kit for a 16 ton mineral wagon (mainly so I can see how it compares to the Parkside kits I normally use). Much to my surprise (given the fact that these kits are made from cheap plastic using moulds that were old before Dapol started using them) I found it a quite pleasant kit, and much easier than the parkside ones (certainly the transfers were of a higher quality than the ones that come with Parkside kits since they started being sold under the Peco label).

For comparison, here's the Dapol wagon (right one of the empties) in between a pair of Parkside kits, and next to an RTR model (the left most one).


Other than the obvious discrepancy in colour (IIRC I used Railmatch for the parkside kits and a suitable(ish) humrol grey) it holds up quite nicely, and I daresay it won't look out of place in a rake after weathering.

I've also managed to acquire this pair of old Hornby LNER teak clerestory roof coaches which I reckon will look nice behind my V3 tank (once I've actually painted it).

I will of course look to add an interior to (and possibly weather) them as even from a couple of feet away, the vast expanse of space inside is apparent.

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I'm impressed the 16-tonner looks as crisp and sharp as the more modern kit.  I had a go at a couple of the ex-Airfix/ Kitmaster models (a 'Schools' and 'City of Truro') and- well they weren't fantastic, shall I say?  I've got another CoT in the roundtuit pile and hopefully I'll have better luck with that one. 

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I'm impressed the 16-tonner looks as crisp and sharp as the more modern kit.  I had a go at a couple of the ex-Airfix/ Kitmaster models (a 'Schools' and 'City of Truro') and- well they weren't fantastic, shall I say?  I've got another CoT in the roundtuit pile and hopefully I'll have better luck with that one. 

I'll be honest it surprised me too, my experience of ex-Airfix/kitmaster kits is they need a lot of fiddling, but this went together quite smoothly. I can actually see myself getting some more and building up a rake over the course of several evenings as I want several coal trains on Dukeswood (they also feature the side drop doors as separate pieces so in theory it should be possible to model one being unloaded).

In other news, I've also framed the first of my dirty pictures.

Spoilered because of pornography:
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I'm impressed the 16-tonner looks as crisp and sharp as the more modern kit.  I had a go at a couple of the ex-Airfix/ Kitmaster models (a 'Schools' and 'City of Truro') and- well they weren't fantastic, shall I say?  I've got another CoT in the roundtuit pile and hopefully I'll have better luck with that one. 

I'll be honest it surprised me too, my experience of ex-Airfix/kitmaster kits is they need a lot of fiddling, but this went together quite smoothly. I can actually see myself getting some more and building up a rake over the course of several evenings as I want several coal trains on Dukeswood (they also feature the side drop doors as separate pieces so in theory it should be possible to model one being unloaded).

In other news, I've also framed the first of my dirty pictures.

Spoilered because of pornography:
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I see you'vev blurred out all the naughty bits. ;)

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Can still tell it's a Footballer (or, rather, a Sandringham [because of the smaller GE section tender])...

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James, I have a Problem.......

SCNR

With TIGER out of the workshop it was time to find a new project in 5" gauge.
So I found an almost air-running chassis and an almost finished boiler....
....for an LNWR Problem Class loco.

I will go for the early version as I like the slotted splashers.
This version also includes a horizontally hinged smokebox door.

Watch this space.