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« on: October 25, 2018, 08:56:59 am »

Dear ladies and gentlemen, I'm hoping that the silence at BG during the last week is due to the inevitable preparations for the sartorial season of the year. So hoping that is the case, I'll start this thread so you can post your Halloween / Day of the Dead photos or whichever ghoulish material you want to place here!

We begin by remembering the winner of the first ever Halloween garden decoration contest, who would claim the first prize for 6 consecutive years

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« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2018, 12:37:06 pm »

That would be Vlad, no doubt!
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« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2018, 06:52:35 pm »

Dear ladies and gentlemen, I'm hoping that the silence at BG during the last week is due to the inevitable preparations for the sartorial season of the year.

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You've just hit the nail on the head for us. The 31st is just too close for all the things I still need to get done...

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« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2018, 09:48:53 pm »

Dear ladies and gentlemen, I'm hoping that the silence at BG during the last week is due to the inevitable preparations for the sartorial season of the year.

(Snip)

You've just hit the nail on the head for us. The 31st is just too close for all the things I still need to get done...

Yours,
Miranda.

I'm also doing some last minute sewing, but I fear that nothing much will happen this weekend/Halloween. Due to cold weather the hat has been going out all of last week, though (sans spike, so as to not skewer people on the bus). Just in case I have the full uniform ready. I did buy a new pair of thigh high socks and a second pair of denim corseted shorts for the Luftschiffenegel uniform. Minor improvements over the last one. Making sure the uniform looks sharp.
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« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2018, 03:39:08 am »

I've been tracking down the last bits and pieces of my kit. After 8 years I've finally got my Steam Lantern together. Plus work and stuff has been rather mad this past week.
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« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2018, 06:45:06 pm »

Preparing for the Dulcimer Society's annual Halloween Campout. I'm not camping due to both doctor's and family's orders, but I AM picnicking, and being a firebug cremating cooking my contribution to the Noon barbecue/potluck on my portable charcoal furnace grill.

I also plan to carry along both my pith and my top hat. Goggles? Perhaps...
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« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2018, 12:02:28 am »

Preparing for the Dulcimer Society's annual Halloween Campout. I'm not camping due to both doctor's and family's orders, but I AM picnicking, and being a firebug cremating cooking my contribution to the Noon barbecue/potluck on my portable charcoal furnace grill.

I also plan to carry along both my pith and my top hat. Goggles? Perhaps...

The weather's going to be nice (and rather warm, I think)...
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« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2018, 12:14:18 am »

I've been tracking down the last bits and pieces of my kit. After 8 years I've finally got my Steam Lantern together. Plus work and stuff has been rather mad this past week.

Pictures?
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« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2018, 07:23:22 pm »

Today (as in right now): Day of the Dead "Viva La Vida" Parade in downtown Austin:

1) The Mayor of #Austin has declared today a "citywide DÍa de los Muertos celebration" including Mexic-Arte Museum's Viva la Vida Festival & Parade, and the Emma S. Barrientos Mexican American Cultural Center DÍa de los Muertos festival

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Mayor Steve Adler on Wednesday announced plans for a citywide DÍa de los Muertos celebration aimed at boosting the visibility of the city’s diverse arts as well as preserving Austin’s Hispanic heritage. Austin DÍa de los Muertos from Saturday through Nov. 4 will highlight existing annual events along with new ones under one marketing campaign.

Adler will serve as honorary chairman of the DÍa de los Muertos Committee. This fall marks the first time the city’s Cultural Arts Division of the Economic Development Department has invested about $50,000 to promote the celebration and help expand its reach beyond downtown.

Austin mayor kicks off city cide Día de los Muertos Celebration: https://www.statesman.com/news/20171018/austin-mayor-kicks-off-citywide-da-de-los-muertos-celebration

“We’re especially proud (to support the events) that tell the unique stories and share the traditions of communities who have really rooted themselves in the formation and identity of Austin,” said Meghan Wells, manager of the city’s Cultural Arts Division.


Austin mayor kicks off city wide Día de los Muertos celebration


2) Mexic-Arte Museum presents Viva La Vida Festival and Parade: http://austin.culturemap.com/eventdetail/mexic-arte-museum-viva-la-vida-festival-2018/

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Mexic-Arte Museum’s Viva La Vida Fest is Austin’s largest and longest-running Día de los Muertos (Day of the Dead) festival. The festival features a Grand Procession, the Education Pavilion with hands-on art activities and artist demos, and a celebration with traditional foods, local artist and retail booths, a low-rider exhibition, live music and performances throughout the day.

The festival takes place in the 100-200 block of E. 4th Street, near Mexic-Arte Museum.


Mexic-Arte Museum presents Viva La Vida Festival and Parade in Downtown Austin
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« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2018, 09:05:06 pm »

Meanwhile, in Mexico City, people are getting redy for the 3-day Allhallowtide. Central to this season is the christianised version of the Aztec Day of the Dead (Dia de Muertos), where food offers are made to deceased relatives and friends. In Aztec belief, one could talk to the spirits of the diseased, who would come back to Earth to visit. In the context of Christianity that tradition is meshed with All Saints' Day (October 31) and All Souls' Day (November 2). First, offers are made to deceased children, placing their favourite food and toys upo an elaborate altar, plus there are processions to cemeteries. The adults' sould are next the following day, and it is traditional to have a procession to Christian mass after that. Typiecal offers for the children as skulls made from egg whites and sugar and ornately decorated, feauring the name of the diseased on them.  There is also "Bread of the Dead." A special type of sweet bread loaf which is somewhat dry made from egg-heavy dough with cinnamon and garnished with sugar. The bread representes the body and bones of the diseased, more or less in tune with the Christian idea of the Body of Christ.

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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2018, 11:41:13 am »

Well, once the kids were dressed and ready for the mall I didn't quite have the time to put my kit together as I wished to. But here's what I ended up with

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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2018, 08:05:57 pm »

Well, once the kids were dressed and ready for the mall I didn't quite have the time to put my kit together as I wished to. But here's what I ended up with




Love the spectacles. I think those with the green bowler are a must.  Grin
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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2018, 08:19:39 pm »

Alright. Something I didn't know. The parade in Austin may be a derivative of a NEW tradition in Mexico City. And it's related to the UK albeit somewhat indirectly by way of a James Bond movie  Cheesy

It turns out that during filming for James Bond Spectre in 2014? The production crew left all the props for the parade shown in the movie. Before Spectre THERE WAS NO PARADE. So the parade in Texas and the one in Mexico City are brand new traditions! The traditional part of Day of the Dead with the altars and visit to cemetery and mass ( Allhallowtide) in Mexico will happen in the right day starting this Wednesday, on schedule, but so far having two weekends around the holidays is proving useful to spread all of these satellite celebrations.

This is what's happening in downtown Mexico City today :


New Day of the Dead tradition in #CDMX inspired by James Bond Spectre Movie (2015)


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« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2018, 12:57:41 am »

Well, once the kids were dressed and ready for the mall I didn't quite have the time to put my kit together as I wished to. But here's what I ended up with




There is something rather dapper about a green bowler. A very nice outfit  Smiley.

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« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2018, 01:00:51 am »

Alright. Something I didn't know. The parade in Austin may be a derivative of a NEW tradition in Mexico City. And it's related to the UK albeit somewhat indirectly by way of a James Bond movie  Cheesy

It turns out that during filming for James Bond Spectre in 2014? The production crew left all the props for the parade shown in the movie. Before Spectre THERE WAS NO PARADE. So the parade in Texas and the one in Mexico City are brand new traditions! The traditional part of Day of the Dead with the altars and visit to cemetery and mass ( Allhallowtide) in Mexico will happen in the right day starting this Wednesday, on schedule, but so far having two weekends around the holidays is proving useful to spread all of these satellite celebrations.

This is what's happening in downtown Mexico City today :


New Day of the Dead tradition in #CDMX inspired by James Bond Spectre Movie (2015)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mWOiq2PWQIM#



Well, the more the merrier!

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« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2018, 01:19:13 am »

This evening's outfit for one of Avoncroft's Halloween evenings:



Yours,
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« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2018, 10:32:25 am »

Not a 'festival' or special occasion celebrated here!
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« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2018, 11:49:06 am »

Not a 'festival' or special occasion celebrated here!

It never used to be here; when I was a child I was the only one we knew that made and put up Halloween decorations. Since then then (a 'mere' 40 years or so) it's grown to be the second biggest spend in terms of seasonal events in the UK. I don't think this is just due to suff being pushed on us through rank commercialism, but is also from people wanting to have a bit more escapism in their lives and a chance to really dress up. Of course, for us Steampunks it's just one more opportunity to show off our finery  Roll Eyes ...

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« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2018, 09:02:38 pm »

This evening's outfit for one of Avoncroft's Halloween evenings:



Yours,
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Not a 'festival' or special occasion celebrated here!

It never used to be here; when I was a child I was the only one we knew that made and put up Halloween decorations. Since then then (a 'mere' 40 years or so) it's grown to be the second biggest spend in terms of seasonal events in the UK. I don't think this is just due to suff being pushed on us through rank commercialism, but is also from people wanting to have a bit more escapism in their lives and a chance to really dress up. Of course, for us Steampunks it's just one more opportunity to show off our finery  Roll Eyes ...

Yours,
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You look wonderful dear Miranda! Was Halloween always greater in the US during the 20th. C? Does nayone care to elaborate in US vs. UK?

My only experience on Halloween is as an American "expat" child in Mexico City, where people of higher means (usually with a more European background) would celebrate the American style Halloween more that the traditional Mexican Day of the Dead. It was three full days of ghoulish debauchery, because the Halloween would conflated with the Day of the Dead in private schools. Schools would usually organize events -similar to japaneses schools- diving the students in groups and making Halloween displays. But this was considered a "foreign influenece" by scholars.

The problem came to a head in the mid 1980s when even professors in private schools (where I was a student) began to "disfavour" the American Halloween tradition in an effort to "save" or preserve the national holiday, which at its most extravagant (large altars, candle light processions and visits to cemeteries prior to Christian mass) was mostly celebrated by poor rural people, and was a decidedly religious event. Schools all over the country, and even college campuses started organising "altar building competitions" in order to educate the children. It's an irony that the aesthetocs (if not the ritual) are now exploding in the English speaking world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_the_Dead

Picture shows a Mexican Native woman guarding an altar in Janitzio Island near the town of Patzcuaro
Considered to be the a good place in Mexico to experience the traditional version of the Day of the Dead




Perhaps it's because of the novelty of it. Perhaps there is also the aspect of the holiday being *perceived* as less commercialised than Halloween. Which is not to say that Halloween is no longer culturally significant. The problem is that the legitimate cultural aspect of Samhain as a *festival for the dead* has been replaced with commericalism in the United States. Praying for the souls in exchange for food had been raplaced with Trick or Treating. A lot of Samhain involved sacrifice (which we don't want to revive  Shocked ) and evil spirits (Irish tradition). Dressing up as the spirits to impersonate them is the purported origin of costumes. But to be honest, few people in the US and elsewhere ouside of the British Isles are aware of the Celtic origins of Halloween in "Samhain."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samhain

So the question arises: is it possible to recover the "magic" of Samhain? Should a more Celtic version of Halloween be taught at schools? The Mexicans did it for the Aztec Day of the Dead. Why can't that be done for Samhain (within reason)?
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« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2018, 04:15:30 am »

So the question arises: is it possible to recover the "magic" of Samhain? Should a more Celtic version of Halloween be taught at schools? The Mexicans did it for the Aztec Day of the Dead. Why can't that be done for Samhain (within reason)?


I personally would like this, but as usual, the southern half of the world does things it's own way, and Samhain down here is 6 months in advance (or behind, depending on how you look at it) so still would not coordinate with the northern half of the world. It is primarily kept as a solitary or small group private event.
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« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2018, 04:59:09 am »

My sister is currently in Oaxaca Mexico for the Day of the Dead celebration there. She and a friend of my brother's are setting up an altar and spreading some of his ashes there. I wanted to go, but I couldn't find a flight. I'll be there in spirit...
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« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2018, 09:34:21 am »

My sister is currently in Oaxaca Mexico for the Day of the Dead celebration there. She and a friend of my brother's are setting up an altar and spreading some of his ashes there. I wanted to go, but I couldn't find a flight. I'll be there in spirit...

Blessed you be. That's a very nice thing to do for him. Naturally you'd like to be there. I'd love to do the same for my grandparents (they raised me as a child in Mexico City). I still have some of my grandfather's ashes. My mother placed some on top of my grandmother's grave. And my heart aches thinking my grandmother is buried in San Diego, far from her parents and French grandparents in Mexico City. I can easily bring the remains of my grandfather back to Mexico, but not my grandmother.

Oaxaca is one of the most native parts of Mexico. They should get a good show. Tell them to eat "Tlayudas" for lunch. And for the cold morning to start with a cup of Vanilla or Strawberry Atole or Champurrado (Chocolate atole)

Later today @KineticKennons will have a long video on the Day of the Dead. I imagine they'll be present to see the altars made for deceased children which come first, but I don't know exactly where they'll go. They are currently staying in Mexico City (envy), and one of their followers commented it's too late and far for them to go to Patzcuaro, in the State of Michoacan. The town is too small and too full of people. My guess is they'll stay closer to Mexico City. They're plenty of places to see the full events. But who knows? Maybe someone offered them a ride (they're at the stage they get invited by hotels and local chambers of commerce and the like).

To be honest, México City is good enough. Just go to the Basilica of Guadalupe, or stay close to the college campuses. For me it was the most picturesque time of the year because it was a community thing. You'd get to write poems or limericks, basically roasting your professors or elders as if they were departed. And that's the best time of the year to party. The weather is now cold-ish but not too cold, adding to the ambiance.
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« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2018, 10:22:32 am »

So the question arises: is it possible to recover the "magic" of Samhain? Should a more Celtic version of Halloween be taught at schools? The Mexicans did it for the Aztec Day of the Dead. Why can't that be done for Samhain (within reason)?


I personally would like this, but as usual, the southern half of the world does things it's own way, and Samhain down here is 6 months in advance (or behind, depending on how you look at it) so still would not coordinate with the northern half of the world. It is primarily kept as a solitary or small group private event.

That's right. Samhain is specifically a fall festival. To hold on these dates of October, you must keep to the Christian Allhallowtide. But by way of symmetry, should the weather not be similar to the fall in the northern hemisphere?
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« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2018, 02:00:40 pm »

JW, you keep saying "diseased." Do you mean "deceased," or have I misunderstood the point of Day of the Dead?
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« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2018, 02:32:16 pm »

So the question arises: is it possible to recover the "magic" of Samhain? Should a more Celtic version of Halloween be taught at schools? The Mexicans did it for the Aztec Day of the Dead. Why can't that be done for Samhain (within reason)?


I personally would like this, but as usual, the southern half of the world does things it's own way, and Samhain down here is 6 months in advance (or behind, depending on how you look at it) so still would not coordinate with the northern half of the world. It is primarily kept as a solitary or small group private event.

That's right. Samhain is specifically a fall festival. To hold on these dates of October, you must keep to the Christian Allhallowtide. But by way of symmetry, should the weather not be similar to the fall in the northern hemisphere?

Well, that would be autumn, and technically that would be the 1st of February. However, Samhain is the season of winter, and begins on the 1st of May - 31 July in the southern hemisphere. The other seasons follow: Imbolc, Spring 1st August - 31 October; Beltane, Summer 1st November - 31st January; and Lughnasadh, Autumn, 1st February - 30 April.

Given the way the climate is changing, these "seasons" can be variable down here - we had about 2 weeks of Spring and are rapidly sliding into full blown Summer - it is forecast to be 37oC tomorrow, and fire bans and restrictions will come into force as we move into "Fire Season"!
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