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« on: August 21, 2018, 05:03:37 pm »

I've been listening to the Archeological Fantasies Podcast which looks into a lot of the pseudo archeology from places like the (alt-)History Channel and some of the hoax artifacts from the 1800's. https://archyfantasies.com/

It made me think it might be fun for someone to put together a tongue-in-cheek persona as a Victorian promoter of what are now considered fringe theories like the lost tribes of Israel as Native Americans, or that Egypt had colonies in the "New World". Apparently the idea of Atlantis being real didn't actually start catching on until the 1880's after a book Atlantis: The Antediluvian World https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis:_The_Antediluvian_World was published.

If nothing else it might be a fun panel discussion for a convention. Whereas some people might actually mistake a satirical persona as being real unless it's really over the top.
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« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2018, 09:16:15 pm »

I've been listening to the Archeological Fantasies Podcast which looks into a lot of the pseudo archeology from places like the (alt-)History Channel and some of the hoax artifacts from the 1800's. https://archyfantasies.com/

It made me think it might be fun for someone to put together a tongue-in-cheek persona as a Victorian promoter of what are now considered fringe theories like the lost tribes of Israel as Native Americans, or that Egypt had colonies in the "New World". Apparently the idea of Atlantis being real didn't actually start catching on until the 1880's after a book Atlantis: The Antediluvian World https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis:_The_Antediluvian_World was published.

If nothing else it might be a fun panel discussion for a convention. Whereas some people might actually mistake a satirical persona as being real unless it's really over the top.

Well, it obviousky has some religious concepts. I'd imagine this would be a missionary turned archeologist, Indiana Jones type hybrid?
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« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2018, 10:47:31 pm »


Well, it obviousky has some religious concepts. I'd imagine this would be a missionary turned archeologist, Indiana Jones type hybrid?

The religious angle might be one of the problems to deal with. Some of it also had racist overtones that might be a problem: "Native savages couldn't have built that monument, so it must have been Vikings... or Egyptians... or aliens..."

Until archeology became more professionalized in the 1900's it was kind of the domain of well-off amateurs, so it could be a clergyman, or a pith-helmeted nobleman with a pet theory, or a former soldier/proto-anthropologist like Sir Richard Burton. Heck it might be fun to stage a "debate" between two rivals.
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« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2018, 11:49:28 pm »

Or the character could be have box of obviously faked "artifacts" that they are trying to "sell" -kind of like Medieval/Renaissance charlatans going around selling fragments of the "true cross", or a box full of "nails from the cross"...
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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2018, 01:11:49 am »



 We call it our state broadcast service here

https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018658273/seven-foot-tall-pre-maori-disappear-from-tvnz

 I did do a  number on a  local comment section  as a Tokyo Rose type propagandist,  with announcements  of the government sending people to the regions and directions to comply.  Around the time it got to close to the bone with the homeless issue and  government actions, A political troll outed me so I stopped it.
 
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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2018, 08:44:57 am »


Well, it obviousky has some religious concepts. I'd imagine this would be a missionary turned archeologist, Indiana Jones type hybrid?

The religious angle might be one of the problems to deal with. Some of it also had racist overtones that might be a problem: "Native savages couldn't have built that monument, so it must have been Vikings... or Egyptians... or aliens..."


"The ancient Irish couldn't have built all those stone monuments, it must have been the Egyptians/Phoenicians ..."
Here you can insert any ancient 'civilisation' that was not the indigenous Irish!

Bit like "the ancient Africans could not have built Great Zimbabwe - it must have been some European/classical culture"
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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2018, 11:04:26 pm »


Well, it obviousky has some religious concepts. I'd imagine this would be a missionary turned archeologist, Indiana Jones type hybrid?

The religious angle might be one of the problems to deal with. Some of it also had racist overtones that might be a problem: "Native savages couldn't have built that monument, so it must have been Vikings... or Egyptians... or aliens..."


"The ancient Irish couldn't have built all those stone monuments, it must have been the Egyptians/Phoenicians ..."
Here you can insert any ancient 'civilisation' that was not the indigenous Irish!

Bit like "the ancient Africans could not have built Great Zimbabwe - it must have been some European/classical culture"

 The earliest churches were in Ethiopia.  Very sophisticated temples. Some did try to say Europeans must have been there in  the early AD years.  Only   Europe was still very pagan and  people were still living in hide tents   and  worshiping the moon   back then. The Romans  with the  African garrisons hadn't civilised the place yet.
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« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2018, 12:39:25 am »


Well, it obviousky has some religious concepts. I'd imagine this would be a missionary turned archeologist, Indiana Jones type hybrid?


The religious angle might be one of the problems to deal with. Some of it also had racist overtones that might be a problem: "Native savages couldn't have built that monument, so it must have been Vikings... or Egyptians... or aliens..."

Until archeology became more professionalized in the 1900's it was kind of the domain of well-off amateurs, so it could be a clergyman, or a pith-helmeted nobleman with a pet theory, or a former soldier/proto-anthropologist like Sir Richard Burton. Heck it might be fun to stage a "debate" between two rivals.


That is an inevitable narrative in the 19th. C. isn't it? It doesn't matter whether you're talking about Africa, Asia or the Americas.  There is no rule, however on having an enlighted individual. More modern stories are telling.  After more than 400 years arguing that the Maya could not have any real system of writing (outside of numbers), it took an art major from the University of Texas in the 1970s to realise that the modern post-Classic Maya people's languages could hold a clue to deciphering the ancient writing system. What emerged thereafter was the decipherement of about 90% of the alphabet by 1996. The languaje was not only sophisticated but very similar to modern Japanese with a syllabic (e.g. Hiragana, Katakana) and a logographic (Kanji) set of aphabets which could be combined depending on the circumstance. The writ was use for politics, giovernment, religion, labelling foodstuffs in vases and naturally signing works of art.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_script

And the number system?  Actually there is evidence that the odest concept of the number zero is not Indian, but actually Maya! The oldest concept pf zero is opften attributed to India. But there's a bit of a problem. The oldest mention of the zero anywhere in India is at the Chaturbhuj Temple carved as part of an inscription during the 9th-Century AD.

http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20180807-how-india-gave-us-the-zero

The oldest example of the Mayan Zero on the other hand would have to be on the oldest example of the "Long Count" Mayan calendar (not to be confused with the Aztec Calendar, the big round stone with the Sun God at the centre, that most English speakers seem to know about from TV/Media) - And noting that in the calendar, the Zero is absolutely necessary, because the calendar is cyclical in nature. In other words, no Zero, no calendar. The age of the oldest calendar inscription? At the ruins of Chiapa de Corzo, State of Chiapas in Mexico, written by a Pre-Classic Maya civilasation in 36 BC, according to the calendar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_numerals

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_calendar
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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2018, 02:48:43 pm »

And apparently the idea of Atlantis being a real place didn't really catch on that much in popular culture until after an 1882 book came out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis:_The_Antediluvian_World
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