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Author Topic: The Incredible Alien UFO FLEET Sighting of May 16, 1808 in Sweden  (Read 1872 times)
Rogue Ætherlord
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« on: June 19, 2017, 09:16:33 pm »

Do Surnatural History Goes Here ? :

The word pagan came from paganus , who mean peasant . Its was a way to significate than christianism was the religion of the elite and paganism the one of the savage worker class.

''Trickster shows us how we trick OURSELVES. Her rampant curiosity backfires, but, then, something NEW is discovered (though usually not what She expected)! This is where creativity comes from—experiment, do something different, maybe even something forbidden, and voila! A breakthrough occurs! Ha! Ha! We are released! The world is created anew! Do something backwards, break your own traditions, the barrier breaks; destroy the world as you know it, let the new in.''
Extract of the Dreamflesh article ''Path of The Sacred Clown''
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« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2017, 06:53:10 pm »

Probably some optical phenomen, but still interesting.
Reminds me of the UFO monument in Ängelholm, loosly based on a story by Mr Carlsson back in 1946. (The statue is from 1972, by him.)

(I hawe my doubts, but he was a realy good storyteller)
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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2017, 12:11:39 am »

Looks like the alien ship from "District 9" - scifi film set in South Africa, very thinly disguised anti-apartheid propaganda. On the telly here barely a week or so ago.
Sweden Sweden

« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2017, 09:48:52 am »

About the Ängelholm incident, that antenna thing on the top of the saucer was sending out som sort of electric field that covered the macine in as i remember pink and white colours like those in a "magc ball" The crew had about the same body sise as humans ans had legs and arms, so why not if they are the same as the ones seen back in 1808...  Wink

He also told that they had an advanced civilisation in another solar system, and that hi had lot of contact with them later in hi´s dreams, with the first enconter, they also gave him some food, it looks wery much like a panncake, and they also gave him a drinking cup with an integrated drinking straw, unfortunatly hi´s laboratory (ha had built a small laboratory at hi´s backyard back in the 40s) burnt down in an accident later and the mug was destroyed so today it only exists in drawings he made later, but the pancake (if it is a pancake...) is still preserved.

The bronze statue is a scale model, the concrete spots on the picture represents the actual size of the sauser, there are also som rings that represent the range of the electric shielding.

(i think this will be great stuff for some inspiration)

(Sorry for my English, it´s not my native language...)
Prof Marvel
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« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2017, 01:44:00 am »

RE: the strange phenomena that passed over Biskopsberga, Sweden, early in the 19th century.

Firstly, I suggest that one IGNORES the moronic, self-serving, YouTube garbage on the topic.

If one Goes to a valid written source ( one in the original Swedish would be better) one finds:
The North American Review, Volume 3,+1808++Biskopsberga,+Sweden&source=bl&ots=_x3u4GCy1l&sig=V-mmH-Ym_tEiamStMcihTI_F5l4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiYzLDpstrVAhWHwVQKHVtHD2Q4ChDoAQhWMAk#v=onepage&q&f=false

From the Transactions of the Swedish Academy of Sciences for 1808 page 215 Translated by Mr JC Hauff
July 15, 1808

"It was a cloudless afternoon on May 16, 1808, and a hard wind blew from the west; the sun over the village suddenly grew dim. At the western horizon a great number of spherical bodies appeared. They were heading toward the sun and changed from dark brown to black as they got closer to the sun. As they approached, they lost speed but sped up again after passing in front of the sun. They moved in a straight procession across the sky to the eastern horizon. According to Transactions of the Swedish Academy of Sciences (1808), "The phenomenon lasted uninterruptedly, upwards of two hours, during which time millions of similar bodies continually rose in the west, one after the other irregularly, and continued their career in exactly the same manner."

Some of the balls fell out of the sky, several landing not far from K. G. Wettermark, secretary of the Swedish Academy of Sciences. Seen just before they hit the ground, they resembled "those air-bubbles which children use to produce from soap-suds by means of a reed. When the spot, where such a ball had fallen, was immediately after examined, nothing was to be seen, but a scarcely perceptible film or pellicle, as thin and fine as a cobweb, which was still changing colors, but soon entirely dried up and vanished."

The balls still in the air continued their passage until all disappeared in the east."


So, let us consider current events of the time:
about the same time:

On 14 March 1808 the Danish Minister in Stockholm presented the declaration of war to the Swedish government,[3] and the Swedish king, Gustav IV Adolf replied with planning an invasion of Själland, in order to force Denmark to conclude separate peace. This plan was however, temporarily sidelined and the Swedish troops in Götaland were instead placed in a defensive position, following rumors that Napoleon had sent reinforcements to Denmark. King Gustav IV instead approved the plan drawn up by Gustaf Mauritz Armfelt, on an invasion of Norway to compensate for a possible loss of Finland.

On the night of 8 May, Major Peter Krefting advanced with three divisions against Skotsberg to break the link between the Swedish forces in Aremark and Ørje. But the Norwegian attack was beaten back under the first action at Skotsberg, where a strait separated the Swedes and Norwegians from each other. Krefting tried again to cross the strait during the second encounter at Skotsberg on 13 May with artillery and four mortars, but was stopped again.

On 9 May Lieutenant Johan Spørck advanced with 120 men from Fredriksten fortress against the Swedish position at Gjeddelund, but were beaten back by a company from Holtet who recaptured the position. After the skirmish at Gjeddelund, Spørck had 1 killed and 6 wounded,while the Swedes had 1 killed, 11 wounded and 2 captured.[30] A new, small offensive further north, took place on 12 May west of Strømsfoss, were, with his modest forces, Captain Hans Harboe Grøn began a series of local attacks against the Swedish field guards. The attacks lasted until 28 May when the Swedes had been reinforced with a battalion.[30]
The Norwegians kept close attention to what was going on at the Swedish positions by continually sending reconnaissance patrols that went out aggressively against the Swedes. Major troop movements were not possible before mid-May because of the huge snowfall that winter, and it was not until 15 May, Staffeldt ordered to make a larger attack on the Swedish right flank. But the conditions were still not good enough, and the roads had only just begun to dry up, so the attack was postponed until 18 May.[31]
Battles at Mobekk and Jerpset

The skirmish at Mobekk did not begin well for the Norwegian soldiers. The Swedes managed to destroy the vital bridge over the river at Overud, and the Norwegian troops were standing on their side against the Swedish defenders who fought doggedly in the barricade.[32] After four hours, the battle of Mobekk came to an end, and the Norwegian troops returned to Kongsvinger.[33]

In order to restore his dignity after the battle of Mobekk, Staffeldt was forced to make a new attack.[34] It had been discovered that a Swedish jäger company had been moved to Jerpset in Vestmarka in order to connect the Swedish 2nd Brigade who was stationed closer to the border. On the 23 May, troops from Captain Wilhelm Jørgensen's light company, along with 65 skiers crossed Glomma approximately 10 km west of Kongsvinger.[34] The Norwegians attacked Jerpset farm in the evening of the 24 May and discovered that the Swedes had sent out several patrols, and that only 29 Swedish soldiers were stationed at the farm. 25 of the 29 Swedish soldiers were taken prisoner.[35] Swedish troops who were quartered at nearby farms were unable to obtain the Norwegians who after the fighting retreated into the woods under cover of darkness.[36] Colonel Staffeldt had planned future attacks, but the events on Jerpset frightened Armfeldt so much that he ordered the withdrawal from the positions closest to Kongsvinger. Besides, he had already on the 19 May received an order from King Gustav IV Adolf of what he believed to be a general retreat.[34]

An English fleet had arrived in Gothenburg with 10,000 men on 18 May 1808, and Gustav IV Adolf now wanted to make a Swedish-English attack against the Danish island Själland, and therefore ordered Armfeldt to occupy the safest and most favorable defensive position against Norway.

1) The author admits he is not an educated scientist, nor a trained interviewer.
2) there was a WAR going on, with activity to both the east and west of Biskopsberga, Sweden
3) an English fleet had arrived in Gothenburg with 10,000 men on 18 May 1808
3) Gothenburg is ~ 50 miles west from Biskopsberga, Sweden
4) the "objects" appeared from the west
5) witnesses report "during which time millions of similar bodies continually rose in the west"
        -- ummm millions? really? most people of the day could barely concieve of what "ten of thousands" of
           anything looks like let alone millions.
6)  they resembled "those air-bubbles which children use to produce from soap-suds by means of a reed".
7) the report was taken July 15, 1808, after the incident, giving the villagers 2 months to get their
   stories synchronzed around mugs of beer.  
Cool NOBODY ELSE in all of Sweden reported any of this


Using Sherlock Holmes' methods, we can suggest that it is most likely that

a) some of the invasion activity made some sort of atmospheric "soap bubbles"
b) swarms of birds disturbed by the war activity, combined with chronic widespread nearsightedness.
c) the citizens of Biskopsberga, Sweden suffered from Rye Smut ( quite common in the era)
   fyi, sweden also suffered fron the ergot fungus in barley and oats as well as rye...

prof (wants to beleive, but facts disagree) marvel

edited to remove non-printing content
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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2017, 01:35:29 pm »

Interesting, thank´s for the post.
I found this with some more theories about it from the Swedish UFO Association, probably it´s possible to translate via google...

No idea what caused this, but it looks like some strange natural phenomen created those small spheres in combination with the wind, possibly the wind also was forming the spheres. Protein foam from forestwater or the sea?

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