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Cora Courcelle
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« on: May 23, 2017, 08:15:02 pm »

My thoughts are of those affected by this latest atrocity. 
Manchester is only thirty miles up the road from us but I'm of a different generation to those who attended the concert so I don't believe that I know anyone involved personally; my prayers are with them all.
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« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2017, 02:33:34 am »

Such a terrible event, and such a tragic waste of life.

The only good thing to have come from all the years of terrorist acts that the UK experienced with the IRA, was that we learned to cope and defy to be afraid. Thus terrorism loses much of it's power over us, and can never win.  In a way this makes the tragic loss of life all the more bitter - because it was all in aid of a futile and pointless act.

Never give up, and never let them win.

My thoughts are with the victims and the families left behind.
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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2017, 02:59:23 am »

It is with extreme sadness that I learned that the target were young people, many of them children. Our condolences to the families affected, and let it be known that across the Atlantic the people of Great Britain and the people of Manchester are in our thoughts and have our support.
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« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2017, 05:10:55 am »

From one Manchester to another (across the pond, in New England) Thoughts only for the hurt and whatever support I might be able to offer.
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« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2017, 12:07:38 pm »

Prayer And Thought And Tutti Quanti.
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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2017, 12:53:28 pm »

"Je suis Manchester"

I have a cousin there, older than myself and unlikely to be at the concert, ... but! I have not had a reply to my email. Will have to email another cousin in Ireland to check.

Have just done so - now, waiting.

Terrorism hardens resolve, not weakens it. It's something terrorists never learn.
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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2017, 02:11:47 pm »

I grieve for the lost and damaged lives.  I am in awe of the people who did, and are doing, all they can to help in the wake of this horror.
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« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2017, 02:13:32 pm »

Something that I had been wondering about:

One of the first news reports that I read on the incident said that the rail lines in and out of Manchester were blocked but it didn't give any details or explanation. It made it ambiguous as to whether someone had intentionally blocked the lines or it was just a technical problem. Can anyone tell me what this was about?
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« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2017, 10:52:35 pm »

Have just heard all is well with mine.

Heartsore for those for whom nothing will ever be well again.
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« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2017, 11:50:43 pm »

Such a cowardly act  Sad
The affects are so far reaching. Even all the way down here in Tasmania, a friend on my father lost hes son in this.
Stay strong, the rest of the civilised world is think of you all
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« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2017, 12:03:56 am »

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One of the first news reports that I read on the incident said that the rail lines in and out of Manchester were blocked but it didn't give any details or explanation. It made it ambiguous as to whether someone had intentionally blocked the lines or it was just a technical problem. Can anyone tell me what this was about?

As I understand it the arena is linked to a railway station and the attack happened between the two. As they are linked the police would not want thousands of people walking through a crime scene so the decision was to shut that station. Now if only the American press would stop leaking intelligence information that might be damaging to the case.......
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« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2017, 12:40:38 am »

Je suis... well, unfortunately, just about the whole bloody world these days.

As a qualified bombmaker*, the intelligence leak in itself isn't surprising or remarkable - and it won't tell the maker of this one anything that he didn't know, or assume that the authorities wouldn't have found and know - e.g. as he used a rather large and distinctive battery type, he would assume that fragments would survive and that forensics will want to look for similar batteries in any suspect's garden shed, so he will have either ditched any spares that aren't already in other bags out there.
However, some of the early reporting seemed to fixated on a suitcase being used - that it was apparently a blue/black Karrimor backpack might keep security guards on the lookout if he has followed a pattern with his other devices. But again, helpful but not a guaranteed sign as the bags may all be different anyway, and we've all been twitchy about all sorts of luggage for years now.

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« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2017, 08:26:49 pm »

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One of the first news reports that I read on the incident said that the rail lines in and out of Manchester were blocked but it didn't give any details or explanation. It made it ambiguous as to whether someone had intentionally blocked the lines or it was just a technical problem. Can anyone tell me what this was about?

As I understand it the arena is linked to a railway station and the attack happened between the two. As they are linked the police would not want thousands of people walking through a crime scene so the decision was to shut that station. Now if only the American press would stop leaking intelligence information that might be damaging to the case.......

No press blackouts in America.
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« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2017, 08:43:36 pm »

Mr. Bowman:

With all due respect, this is not about American politics or "freedom of the press."  Angry it seems you don't have all the facts at hand. You don't want to announce to the bad guys what you're going to do next, and much less the way it was done.

I've sent you a message, Mr. Bowman.

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« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2017, 09:55:53 am »

I'm not hearing from one or two people whom I hold dear in that area. I can thus understand the desire to demand information. But, let's take a few moments to de-stress, shall we?
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« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2017, 12:17:18 pm »

I am fortunate to have heard via my cousin's sister in Ireland that all was well. It is a stressful time for those who can't contact people they care about.
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« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2017, 01:58:18 pm »

Ok, while everybody checks their friend networks, let's not stress about 'big leaks' or whichever media came up with whatever.

Bombing scene photos and basic on-scene information is routinely spread worldwide for every bombing, from major incidents to just kids blowing up letterboxes with fireworks and co2 cartridges. Every nation, even in the 3rd-world, has a Bomb Data Centre as part of their national police hq and they are all linked together like Interpol. They distribute the information to every other bomb technician, bomb forensic investigator and even arson firemen around the world under a very low level of security - BombTech-in-confidence - so that it isn't locked away like TopSecret and any other tech can easily see what's currently in use or trending in case he gets something similar. So, this isn't a Presidential- or CIA/Aliens-level Wikileaks type leak. Most likely some random deputy sheriff in Hicktown has done a basic 1week course to be his town's local bomb guy, and thus gets the updates, and has shared it around to his friends, who passed it on to... etc etc.
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« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2017, 07:39:20 pm »

Mr. Bowman:

With all due respect, this is not about American politics or "freedom of the press."  Angry it seems you don't have all the facts at hand. You don't want to announce to the bad guys what you're going to do next, and much less the way it was done.

I've sent you a message, Mr. Bowman.

It wasn't about politics; it was a statement of fact; for better or worse, the United States government does not have the ability to order the press to not report things. No press blackouts to protect the identities of juveniles; no press blackouts to hide political scandals from the electorate.
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« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2017, 08:35:10 pm »

[mod hat] Read my message Mr. Bowman. I will not argue any further. This is not the place for such a discussion. [/mod hat]
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« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2017, 04:08:09 am »

Cool your jets please gentlemen, lets not add any extra drama here. I think you are both reading each other wrong, either that or I'm reading BOTH of you wrong.... Undecided


If I may explain to clear the confusion...

The US government was given the details of the investigation as part of an established information sharing thing regarding security and terrorist related events such as this. This information is obviously highly secretive where an active investigation is taking place that involves a country's police force, secret services and foreign intelligence agencies sharing information on active suspects at large, and is thus not for public consumption at this present time.

Problem is somewhere along the line, the US government has passed these classified details (and crime scene pictures) on to certain media oulets who then reported on this information. That is quite a big boo-boo to drop.... Roll Eyes

It's not a media issue, it's poor handling of classified information by the US government that is the real issue that has people upset.
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« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2017, 04:17:59 am »

Cool your jets please gentlemen, lets not add any extra drama here. I think you are both reading each other wrong, either that or I'm reading BOTH of you wrong.... Undecided


If I may explain to clear the confusion...

The US government was given the details of the investigation as part of an established information sharing thing regarding security and terrorist related events such as this. This information is obviously highly secretive where an active investigation is taking place that involves a country's police force, secret services and foreign intelligence agencies sharing information on active suspects at large, and is thus not for public consumption at this present time.

Problem is somewhere along the line, the US government has passed these classified details (and crime scene pictures) on to certain media oulets who then reported on this information. That is quite a big boo-boo to drop.... Roll Eyes

It's not a media issue, it's poor handling of classified information by the US government that is the real issue that has people upset.

Thank you Mr. Skummins. Mr. Bowman and I are in the process of chatting the matter in private. It was because Mr. Bowman was focusing on the train schedule and I on the physical crime evidence. I found an article on the BBC which explains what happened. It was not the US Government, Mr. Skummins.

I'm afraid, Mr. Fairley B. Strange has hit it on the nose; it was a local government leak (local by two degrees - not Federal, not State, but County law enforcement - namely a local Sheriff blabbering in a Facebook account. The state from which said Sheriff comes from has incensed my mood. You can make a guess which state. Makes me want to drive a few hours south and personally kick his posterior.

PS. Reminds me of a certain entrance scene in the 1965 movie "For a Few Dollars More" with Clint Eastwood. I have the weekend off, anyone interested in re-enacting an Old/Wild West "Posse" is welcome to come down South with me. Do bring a strong rope. There will be a "chuck wagon" with refreshments for the jury and witnesses.  Grin
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« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2017, 05:55:20 am »

Gents, before anybody applies shoe-leather to sphincter, or starts throwing ropes over tree branches, I might suggest that the actual source of your angst is somewhere in northern England, and I'm quite sure there are more than enough armed lads eagerly seeking to kick his door down at the moment.

What else anybody can do about the global situation is a dilemma for philosophers and madmen.

Stay safe. Watch out for each other. Recheck your first-aid skills. Throw a torch and a few trauma dressings in the bottom of your daily bag. Try to know your neighbours. That's about it, I'm afraid to say.
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« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2017, 07:48:40 am »

I keep an extraordinarily well-equipped first aid kit and bag in the car. Where I go, it goes. Be alert, but go about your normal life. Paris was happening when I went overseas in 2015. Hopefully, next week, nothing.
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« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2017, 12:45:28 am »

And here we go again....

Mods, do we just start a global thread for all these totally unrelated events?
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« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2017, 02:55:07 am »

I keep an extraordinarily well-equipped first aid kit and bag in the car. Where I go, it goes. Be alert, but go about your normal life. Paris was happening when I went overseas in 2015. Hopefully, next week, nothing.


As a longtime boyscout, I too follow the motto "Be Prepared".
I used to shop surplus stores for "battle dressings" until a first responder put me onto the following:

- ladies tampons and pads. They are essentially sterile. the pads make excellent "large cut" dressings and the tampon are actually useful
for gunshot wounds - honest to goodness, just plug the hole and make sure to tell the ambulance crew.

- quick clot - http://www.quikclot.com/  a fast acting (emergency only) clotting agent. especially useful for neck , abdominal , or limb slashes.
          now available to the public.

These items are clearly for emergnecy only and "stop the victim from bleeding out" until professionals arrive.

Add a 5 D cell 1000 Lumen Mag Light and so many situations are covered.

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