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Author Topic: And Now a Few Words from Cardinal Richelieu  (Read 870 times)
Prof Marvel
Zeppelin Captain
United States United States

learn from history, or be doomed to repeat it

« on: May 03, 2017, 07:38:53 pm »

Whilst drinking strong coffee and watching the "Solly Box" aka "Idiot Box" aka "Boob Toob" I watched as
Brian Gurry  and Lee Danley found an enigma machine in one of their demolition projects.

why is this steamy? The Enigma was


But.... This led me down the internet rabbitholes on the Enigma Machine, leading me to find this excellent essay
from Bruce Schneier, a professional in the Computer and Security biz:

About Bruce Schneier
been writing about security issues on my blog since 2004, and in my monthly newsletter since 1998.
I write books, articles, and academic papers. Currently, I'm the Chief Technology Officer of IBM Resilient,
a fellow at Harvard's Berkman Center, and a board member of EFF.

"The most common retort against privacy advocates -- by those in favor of ID checks, cameras, databases, data mining and other wholesale surveillance measures -- is this line: "If you aren't doing anything wrong, what do you have to hide?"

Some clever answers: "If I'm not doing anything wrong, then you have no cause to watch me." "Because the government gets to define what's wrong, and they keep changing the definition." "Because you might do something wrong with my information." My problem with quips like these -- as right as they are -- is that they accept the premise that privacy is about hiding a wrong. It's not. Privacy is an inherent human right, and a requirement for maintaining the human condition with dignity and respect.

Two proverbs say it best: Quis custodiet custodes ipsos? ("Who watches the watchers?") and "Absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Cardinal Richelieu understood the value of surveillance when he famously said, "If one would give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest man, I would find something in them to have him hanged." Watch someone long enough, and you'll find something to arrest -- or just blackmail -- with. Privacy is important because without it, surveillance information will be abused: to peep, to sell to marketers and to spy on political enemies -- whoever they happen to be at the time.

Privacy protects us from abuses by those in power, even if we're doing nothing wrong at the time of surveillance."

"For if we are observed in all matters, we are constantly under threat of correction, judgment, criticism, even plagiarism of our own uniqueness. We become children, fettered under watchful eyes, constantly fearful that -- either now or in the uncertain future -- patterns we leave behind will be brought back to implicate us, by whatever authority has now become focused upon our once-private and innocent acts. We lose our individuality, because everything we do is observable and recordable.

How many of us have paused during conversation in the past four-and-a-half years, suddenly aware that we might be eavesdropped on? Probably it was a phone conversation, although maybe it was an e-mail or instant-message exchange or a conversation in a public place. Maybe the topic was terrorism, or politics, or Islam. We stop suddenly, momentarily afraid that our words might be taken out of context, then we laugh at our paranoia and go on. But our demeanor has changed, and our words are subtly altered.

This is the loss of freedom we face when our privacy is taken from us. This is life in former East Germany, or life in Saddam Hussein's Iraq. And it's our future as we allow an ever-intrusive eye into our personal, private lives."

"Too many wrongly characterize the debate as "security versus privacy." The real choice is liberty versus control. Tyranny, whether it arises under threat of foreign physical attack or under constant domestic authoritative scrutiny, is still tyranny. Liberty requires security without intrusion, security plus privacy. Widespread police surveillance is the very definition of a police state. And that's why we should champion privacy even when we have nothing to hide."

just a little reading material for your entertainment   Grin

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« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2017, 09:05:17 am »

Private life goes in the social network. We do it pushes back.

What is a bored official on a small salary, when compared with thousands of crazy trolls and moralists.

Sorry for the errors, rudeness and stupidity. It's not me, this online translator. Really convenient?
Fairley B. Strange
Zeppelin Overlord
Australia Australia

Relax, I've done much dumber things and survived..

« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2017, 12:33:23 pm »

As a chap whose profession occasionally puts me on the fringes of the 'contra-terror' industry or apparatus, I find it ironically reassuring that our Orwellian observers - who assure us that their wide-cast nets will protect us in exchange for that slight loss of privacy - routinely fail to detect our current crop of Solo Canis Lupes even when they are alerted, or have them on watchlists, until they commence their final runs.

If our BigBrother bureaucrats can't catch the obvious bad eggs who gather in overt establishments and proclaim their animosities openly, I can only assume that the rest of us are safely even further off the edges of their cluttered radar screens...

Choose a code to live by, die by it if you have to.
England England

« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2017, 04:36:42 pm »

Not sure here, but I think the arguement is whether the ISP, Google and the like have the right to gather and store information under some terrorism/ marketing ruse, and as I recently found out in another thread the spyware installed in 10.

I personally have nothing to hide, surely it's the principal of online/ smartphone privacy at stake.

If I wish to google al qaeda ladyboy interaction with leather lesbian biker bombing chicks in explosive outcome, on wwww,prOntube international.wierd.clom, would this flag the powers that are supposedly protecting our all inclusive interests?

I do wonder, I recently read on BBC news website that farcebook has been requested to police some of thier more debatable member groups, including under age, and they have decided that no infringement of rules have been incured. One could argue that whilst online we can keep an eye on them or are farcebook just not bothered and frankly don't give a darn.

I'm off to google to find out how to make a pipe bomb now, more of a refresh really, that old telephone box really did go up in an impressive fashion.................
« Last Edit: May 04, 2017, 05:09:53 pm by SeVeNeVeS » Logged

Prof Marvel
Zeppelin Captain
United States United States

learn from history, or be doomed to repeat it

« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2017, 07:29:10 pm »

Once again, I see

"I have nothing to hide".

On the contrary - I am sure you wish to keep your identity info ( ie driver's license, passport info, insurance info, bank account info, in the US your
social scurity info,   ad infinitum) as well as your doctor and health info ( especially prescription info and list of all pharmacuticals ever taken, medical and psycological records) , and most likely all your work related info and work reviews private, no?

Have you NEVER had an issue with a "former employer" that you left under unfortunate circumstances?

If any current or potential employer had access to all the above, they would never hire anyone with any hint of ill health or even a family history of health problems.

The good Cardinal's missive is so important that it bears repeating:

"If one would give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest man,
   I would find something in them to have him hanged."

If someone marches in support of Women's Rights, Minority Rights, Gay Rights, would they want that brought up in a job review, a job interview,
or in a visit with their doctor?  Remember Alan Turing that brilliant mathemtatician

"Turing was prosecuted in 1952 .... by the Labouchere Amendment, "gross indecency" was still criminal in the UK. He accepted chemical castration treatment, with DES, as an alternative to prison. "

Do not forget the American "McCarthy Era" and the blacklists

Do not forget Executive Order 9066 in the U.S. that imprisoned over 110,000 U.S. Citizens because of their ancestery:

I won't even begin to discuss Stalin or Mao , since I only wish to present facts and raise awareness - don't want this to be a political argument.

again: Who watches the watchers?

prof marvel
« Last Edit: May 04, 2017, 07:54:07 pm by Prof Marvel » Logged
Zeppelin Captain
Australia Australia

« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2017, 12:30:41 am »

No one, really, Prof Marvel, and therein lies the problem.

And who, one wonders, monitors alternative lifestyle followers/believers and their associated social media, such as Brassgoggles?
Rogue Ætherlord
United States United States

"This is the sort of thing no-one ever believes"

« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2017, 08:12:03 am »

I think the Universal Auditors handle that stuff...

Walk softly and carry a big banjo...

""quid statis aspicientes in infernum"
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