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« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2020, 01:00:16 am »

Okay so after moving to Scotland and having a relationship a tartan obsessed scot for almost a year...

The scots don't gender the kilts as strictly as outsiders tend to think. There is some basic differences in cut when someone gets a kilt tailored, which seems to be mostly to allow for the hips. The general garment is the same however.
The school uniform of the school my partner went to actually included kilts. For both guys and girls.

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« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2020, 05:27:29 am »

Okay so after moving to Scotland and having a relationship a tartan obsessed scot for almost a year...

The scots don't gender the kilts as strictly as outsiders tend to think. There is some basic differences in cut when someone gets a kilt tailored, which seems to be mostly to allow for the hips. The general garment is the same however.
The school uniform of the school my partner went to actually included kilts. For both guys and girls.



Yes, that's right, and I think 2 years ago I learned a bit about the difference between a full kilt, a kilted skirt and a Billie kilt when I stumbled upon the "dance competition tartans" for the Erskine clan, who are supposed to be related (somehow) to my father's family. I found it odd at first, but according to the Scottish tartan registry you can design and register anything as long as you don't infringe on another design.

I got a full kilt, but not in wool; it's acrylic wool and with that commercial tartan. The only real wool item I have is an old Erskine scarf which I bought when I was in Edinburgh almost 40 years ago. That may soon change though...  Roll Eyes There might be a Billie kilt in my hands *very* soon  Roll Eyes (but let's just leave that subject for the Queer Geer)  Grin

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« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2020, 10:10:28 am »

Okay so after moving to Scotland and having a relationship a tartan obsessed scot for almost a year...

The scots don't gender the kilts as strictly as outsiders tend to think. There is some basic differences in cut when someone gets a kilt tailored, which seems to be mostly to allow for the hips. The general garment is the same however.
The school uniform of the school my partner went to actually included kilts. For both guys and girls.



Yes, that's right, and I think 2 years ago I learned a bit about the difference between a full kilt, a kilted skirt and a Billie kilt when I stumbled upon the "dance competition tartans" for the Erskine clan, who are supposed to be related (somehow) to my father's family. I found it odd at first, but according to the Scottish tartan registry you can design and register anything as long as you don't infringe on another design.

I got a full kilt, but not in wool; it's acrylic wool and with that commercial tartan. The only real wool item I have is an old Erskine scarf which I bought when I was in Edinburgh almost 40 years ago. That may soon change though...  Roll Eyes There might be a Billie kilt in my hands *very* soon  Roll Eyes (but let's just leave that subject for the Queer Geer)  Grin


Oooo, gotta love a good wool kilt
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« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2020, 05:19:00 am »

Personally, these modern skirts are nothing. A kilt should be long enough to sleep in. My great kilt is 7 metres long. No stitching involved - I fold the creases manually.

It is "interesting" to wear when driving. Think of it being like having a bustle behind you.

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« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2020, 12:06:14 am »

Personally, these modern skirts are nothing. A kilt should be long enough to sleep in. My great kilt is 7 metres long. No stitching involved - I fold the creases manually.

It is "interesting" to wear when driving. Think of it being like having a bustle behind you.

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Folding and creasing it must be an art.
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« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2020, 06:03:36 am »

Folding and creasing it must be an art.

Takes a while. I don't actually use a hot iron; I just make sure the belt is underneath, fold, then lie down on top, buckle the belt then stand up.

This is a pretty good demonstration - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEmES4-7kvc
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« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2020, 06:28:45 am »

Folding and creasing it must be an art.

Takes a while. I don't actually use a hot iron; I just make sure the belt is underneath, fold, then lie down on top, buckle the belt then stand up.

This is a pretty good demonstration - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEmES4-7kvc

I see! It's very interesting. And above the belt it's like a "Swiss Army knife" of clothes  Wink. Now for the Steampunk version...
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« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2020, 01:06:16 pm »

If I were to have one, it would be primarily green, with touches of red and white, which are the colours on my coat of arms - both the original grant, and the de-Anglicised one I am going to use for myself.
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« Reply #33 on: January 10, 2020, 11:42:10 pm »

Unfortunately, our family tartan is Blackwatch, which I don't really care for. Too much green.
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« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2020, 12:01:00 am »

Unfortunately, our family tartan is Blackwatch, which I don't really care for. Too much green.

Look for variations of Blackwatch in the Scottish Tartan Registry (see links in this thread).
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« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2020, 01:53:35 am »

Since I am dating a scot for almost a year now, she keeps insisting I should wear her tartan when I get anything. That is the MacArthur tartan and because it's hers, I'm all good with that.
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« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2020, 09:36:42 am »

Unfortunately, our family tartan is Blackwatch, which I don't really care for. Too much green.

Black Watch variations. You really can't get away from the green unless you use a "ground colour" variation which is black and white (ref. Scottish Tartan Registry). However the older examples of Black Watch have a large red component, as you get closer to the time when clan tartans began to be differentiated. Apparently Black Watch is the basis for many other tartans.

Black Watch Band Plaid,, 42nd Regiment 1819.

Black Watch from an illustration of a piper in the Black Watch Museum, Perth, Scotland.

Black Watch Dress, as found in a John Lewis store, 1930

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« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2020, 09:40:58 am »

Since I am dating a scot for almost a year now, she keeps insisting I should wear her tartan when I get anything. That is the MacArthur tartan and because it's hers, I'm all good with that.

You also have variations. Look at this A-Z list.
https://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/tartanDetails?ref=2278

 But there is no great variation in colours.

MacArthur from 1860 portrait and sample in the Highland Society of London Collection (1815).
A single yellow line version is found in Vestiarium Scoticum.

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« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2020, 09:57:48 am »

These are the two basic ones for me. There are several more including 3 "dance competition" tartans, with the same sett, in red with white, white with purple and blue with white. There's a "hunting" version which is green and white, also the same sett

Erskine, Vestiarium Scoticum, 1842.


Erskine, as woven by D.C. Dalgliesh of Selkirk.


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« Reply #39 on: January 11, 2020, 11:57:37 am »

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