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« Reply #1150 on: November 11, 2020, 02:21:10 pm » |
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I drive a forklift for a living. This is surprisingly hard on the hands, so I wear impact gloves to protect my hands from getting beat up.
My current pair of gloves have shown a tendency to stain my knuckles Trump-coloured.
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« Reply #1151 on: November 11, 2020, 09:45:31 pm » |
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I drive a forklift for a living. This is surprisingly hard on the hands, so I wear impact gloves to protect my hands from getting beat up.
My current pair of gloves have shown a tendency to stain my knuckles Trump-coloured.
I used to drive a New Holland LS-120 compact loader w/ dozer/forklift attachments for our family business. This was larger than most "Bobcat" type vehicles, almost like a full size Caterpillar. Fun times. It had tires, so if you decelerated quickly, the whole vehicle would start rocking front and back, bouncing on the tires 
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« Reply #1152 on: November 12, 2020, 03:14:56 am » |
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I drive a forklift for a living. This is surprisingly hard on the hands, so I wear impact gloves to protect my hands from getting beat up.
My current pair of gloves have shown a tendency to stain my knuckles Trump-coloured.
I used to drive a New Holland LS-120 compact loader w/ dozer/forklift attachments for our family business. This was larger than most "Bobcat" type vehicles, almost like a full size Caterpillar. Fun times. It had tires, so if you decelerated quickly, the whole vehicle would start rocking front and back, bouncing on the tires  In a previous life (haha), I drove a rather smaller indoor gasoline-powered hyster-style unit in a home improvement store (nope, not joking, they had us using a gasoline engined unit inside of a building. I sometimes wonder if that contributed to the extreme respiratory allergies I have now). Smaller - but still just tall enough to injure one's feet if one jumped out of the seat to take care of pallets and lumber bundles the way I usually did. I have foot trouble today in the same ball-of-the-foot areas that I kept landing on 'way back when. for a while, it got to where if they had trouble with a long stack of lumber (16 feet or so) or weirdly-stacked pallet, they'd call me to take care of it. The thing was incredibly prone to dumping loads, however, especially on the woefully less-than-perfect surface of our parking lot. Fun (?) times...
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« Reply #1153 on: November 12, 2020, 03:17:02 am » |
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In other news, Youtube is refusing to work on my end now. The "is it only me" site says it's only me, but lots and of posts dating from tonight make a lie of that verdict. Gaaaaggghhh....
Aaaandd... Wouldn't you just know that as soon as I posted that, I decided to check back, and now it's working again. *makes the bubbbleebubbleebubblee noise with his lips and forefinger*
I pride myself on my tech savvy, but sometimes the danged computers STILL make me me look STUPID! GGGAAAGGGHHH...
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« Reply #1154 on: November 12, 2020, 07:06:15 am » |
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In other news, Youtube is refusing to work on my end now. The "is it only me" site says it's only me, but lots and of posts dating from tonight make a lie of that verdict. Gaaaaggghhh....
Aaaandd... Wouldn't you just know that as soon as I posted that, I decided to check back, and now it's working again. *makes the bubbbleebubbleebubblee noise with his lips and forefinger*
I pride myself on my tech savvy, but sometimes the danged computers STILL make me me look STUPID! GGGAAAGGGHHH...
It was a problem with You Tube. They issued an explanation, which I glanced at a few minutes ago.
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« Reply #1155 on: November 12, 2020, 08:17:26 am » |
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My current pair of gloves have shown a tendency to stain my knuckles Trump-coloured.
My son has a similar/inverse problem. He's not allergic to latex, it's allergic to him. After a few minutes wearing latex gloves they start turning orange, and after a while longer they start falling apart.
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« Reply #1156 on: November 12, 2020, 04:39:28 pm » |
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... My son has a similar/inverse problem. He's not allergic to latex, it's allergic to him. After a few minutes wearing latex gloves they start turning orange, and after a while longer they start falling apart. How interesting....does whatever is on(in?) his skin also repel mosquitoes, flies, bees, midges, etc? If so, that is quite the blessing.
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« Reply #1157 on: November 12, 2020, 05:32:39 pm » |
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... My son has a similar/inverse problem. He's not allergic to latex, it's allergic to him. After a few minutes wearing latex gloves they start turning orange, and after a while longer they start falling apart. How interesting....does whatever is on(in?) his skin also repel mosquitoes, flies, bees, midges, etc? If so, that is quite the blessing. We're fairly sure it's his sweat. As for also keeping wee flying, blood-sucking beasties at a distance, I'm not sure, we've always found that living in Yorkshire does that for us. 
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« Reply #1158 on: November 14, 2020, 01:36:48 am » |
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... My son has a similar/inverse problem. He's not allergic to latex, it's allergic to him. After a few minutes wearing latex gloves they start turning orange, and after a while longer they start falling apart. How interesting....does whatever is on(in?) his skin also repel mosquitoes, flies, bees, midges, etc? If so, that is quite the blessing. We're fairly sure it's his sweat. As for also keeping wee flying, blood-sucking beasties at a distance, I'm not sure, we've always found that living in Yorkshire does that for us.  might be the oils in his skin/sweat, rubbing some oils on certain synthetic materials starts to break them down. My Gah of the day. I've worked this job for a little over a year but finally snapped at a customer. Two older women with over 80+ items unceremoniously dumped on the belt of the register while their three kids are grebbing things off the counters and register, and rumaging through the donations to local vetran families for the holidays, eating snacks and drinking drinks. Lady one wants to do a return. and then flips out when the register won't let her pay with food stamps. and now the entire purchase has to be rewrung as two sales, one for the foodstamps and one for non-food items with one return. She spends the whole time yelling and swearing at her kids to take this and do that, while feeding items the wrong way through the register, and yelling at me to give her new bags. and she starts the second purchase demanding that we take off the price of an aluminum pan that she intends to leave with as part of the exchange for the envelop she's trying to return. After repeatedly tell ing her that's not how returns work, she pays and has to sign the returned items recipt, snatching it from my hand while telling me to do my job for her friends behind her, which cannot be done until the slip she signed is put in the draw. with all of that finishing up she begins to try and lecture me on how I need to learn how to do things properly. And I just blurted out, "Just shut the  up and get out of the damn story." How dare I, such disrespect, calling the stores owners. Whatever. I'm just fed up with the entitled rude and hostile idiots that parade through the store like they rule over us peons.
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« Reply #1159 on: November 14, 2020, 05:10:02 am » |
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... My son has a similar/inverse problem. He's not allergic to latex, it's allergic to him. After a few minutes wearing latex gloves they start turning orange, and after a while longer they start falling apart. How interesting....does whatever is on(in?) his skin also repel mosquitoes, flies, bees, midges, etc? If so, that is quite the blessing. We're fairly sure it's his sweat. As for also keeping wee flying, blood-sucking beasties at a distance, I'm not sure, we've always found that living in Yorkshire does that for us.  Had to look up Yorkshire climate. Wow..... pretty nice, mild.....extremes aren't even that bad. The article I read describes it as a "maritime climate". York ( I picked it as an sample city) is much farther north than any large cities in the US (contiguous 48 states) and places like Toronto and yet is still very temperate, not getting inundated with snow 5-6 months out of the year like all those North American (and Canadian) cities at lower latitudes than is your county.
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« Reply #1160 on: November 14, 2020, 10:47:53 am » |
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... My son has a similar/inverse problem. He's not allergic to latex, it's allergic to him. After a few minutes wearing latex gloves they start turning orange, and after a while longer they start falling apart. How interesting....does whatever is on(in?) his skin also repel mosquitoes, flies, bees, midges, etc? If so, that is quite the blessing. We're fairly sure it's his sweat. As for also keeping wee flying, blood-sucking beasties at a distance, I'm not sure, we've always found that living in Yorkshire does that for us.  Had to look up Yorkshire climate. Wow..... pretty nice, mild.....extremes aren't even that bad. The article I read describes it as a "maritime climate". York ( I picked it as an sample city) is much farther north than any large cities in the US (contiguous 48 states) and places like Toronto and yet is still very temperate, not getting inundated with snow 5-6 months out of the year like all those North American (and Canadian) cities at lower latitudes than is your county. Well, how much longer that continues is questionable. The UK as a whole enjoys a far more temperate climate than other places at similar latitudes in a large part thanks to Gulf Stream bringing up warm water (and air) from the equatorial Atlantic, which could well be disrupted by climate change. If that were to be disrupted the UK could easily end up far more like Siberia.
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« Reply #1161 on: November 17, 2020, 04:28:40 am » |
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I've caught a stomach bug so all I've been doing for the past two days is mostly sleeping and throwing up a few times. Today my entire upper body aches like a  and it's not even remotely fun.
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« Reply #1162 on: November 21, 2020, 05:12:38 pm » |
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There have been a number of things not going well lately, but I can deal with that despite the stress. However, my pet cat Dibnah went missing in the early hours of Friday. He was last seen on my CCTV camera at the back door around 1:30am and disappeared between then and around 3am. I have searched all over, at all hours including late at night when it is quiet in the hopes I could hear him if he is trapped somewhere in the yards surrounding my house. Not a single sign of him. Not in a good place at the moment.  Knowing if he's dead is one thing, but the not knowing what has happened or where he is is killing me. I fear the worst, and I will never find him or know what happened to him. My house is so empty.
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« Reply #1163 on: November 21, 2020, 06:01:48 pm » |
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There have been a number of things not going well lately, but I can deal with that despite the stress. However, my pet cat Dibnah went missing in the early hours of Friday. He was last seen on my CCTV camera at the back door around 1:30am and disappeared between then and around 3am. I have searched all over, at all hours including late at night when it is quiet in the hopes I could hear him if he is trapped somewhere in the yards surrounding my house. Not a single sign of him. Not in a good place at the moment.  Knowing if he's dead is one thing, but the not knowing what has happened or where he is is killing me. I fear the worst, and I will never find him or know what happened to him. My house is so empty. Sorry to hear that. I'm thinking of found, perhaps it'd be a good idea to have a GPS enabled collar? I don't have a pet, but since we have similar products for humans, I imagine these do exist for pets.
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« Reply #1164 on: November 22, 2020, 10:10:25 am » |
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My Gah of the day. I've worked this job for a little over a year but finally snapped at a customer. Two older women with over 80+ items unceremoniously dumped on the belt of the register while their three kids are grebbing things off the counters and register, and rumaging through the donations to local vetran families for the holidays, eating snacks and drinking drinks. Lady one wants to do a return. and then flips out when the register won't let her pay with food stamps. and now the entire purchase has to be rewrung as two sales, one for the foodstamps and one for non-food items with one return. She spends the whole time yelling and swearing at her kids to take this and do that, while feeding items the wrong way through the register, and yelling at me to give her new bags. and she starts the second purchase demanding that we take off the price of an aluminum pan that she intends to leave with as part of the exchange for the envelop she's trying to return. After repeatedly tell ing her that's not how returns work, she pays and has to sign the returned items recipt, snatching it from my hand while telling me to do my job for her friends behind her, which cannot be done until the slip she signed is put in the draw. with all of that finishing up she begins to try and lecture me on how I need to learn how to do things properly. And I just blurted out, "Just shut the  up and get out of the damn story." How dare I, such disrespect, calling the stores owners. Whatever. I'm just fed up with the entitled rude and hostile idiots that parade through the store like they rule over us peons. WHen that finally happened to me (realizing I was getting livid at customers, I mean) I realized it was time I got out of retail. I was working in an industrial hardware store at the time. Convincing my boss at the time to let me go back to college was a bit of a challenge, as they had an anti-moonlighting clause in the employee contract. In the end, they decided to sack me, I quit before they could, and went back to the university. I still believe that it was the best course; I was on the point of punching out some of the more irritating dimwits (customers) that kept coming in, especially the know-it-alls who kept telling me they could do things like throw a lit cig into a bucket of toluene/gasoline/MEK/What have you, and nothing would happen - and then a week later would get burnt or killed when they lit up in a tank they were cleaning. To this day I still get ticked when somebody asks me a leading and/or insinuating question about a product I'm looking at in a store, or laughs at the precautions on the label, and proceeds to tell me how stupid it is/they (the instructions) are; apparently, I still look like I work there, 40-odd years on... *irritated laugh*
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« Reply #1165 on: November 29, 2020, 10:53:23 pm » |
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Landlord and wife bought a new bathroom vanity for their space downstairs, he installed it himself, and flooded their bathroom. So shut the water off for the day and went out to eat to comfort himself about the problem. I came back from a double shift and knew I needed to go see about fixing things or it would be days before we had water in our half of the place.
Got it fixed.
Today he was up here putting painting supplies from repainting their bathroom in the laundry room, and knocked the airlock off of one of my gallons of mead that was kept in there for the warmth and low light. I have no idea how long it was off and laying on the floor somewhere in the region of 10 minutes to a couple hours. I gave it a quick sanitizer rinse, and popped it back in place. it seems to still be bubbling away, and it fizzed up at the top after a swirl, to degas it a bit to push out some of the air.
I'm hoping I don't suddenly have a gallon of expensive vinegar in a couple weeks.
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« Reply #1166 on: November 30, 2020, 03:58:54 am » |
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Landlord and wife bought a new bathroom vanity for their space downstairs, he installed it himself, and flooded their bathroom. So shut the water off for the day and went out to eat to comfort himself about the problem. I came back from a double shift and knew I needed to go see about fixing things or it would be days before we had water in our half of the place.
Got it fixed.
Today he was up here putting painting supplies from repainting their bathroom in the laundry room, and knocked the airlock off of one of my gallons of mead that was kept in there for the warmth and low light. I have no idea how long it was off and laying on the floor somewhere in the region of 10 minutes to a couple hours. I gave it a quick sanitizer rinse, and popped it back in place. it seems to still be bubbling away, and it fizzed up at the top after a swirl, to degas it a bit to push out some of the air.
I'm hoping I don't suddenly have a gallon of expensive vinegar in a couple weeks.
If so, give him the gallon of vinegar for Christmas. Or cook with it until he gets sick of vinegar.
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« Reply #1167 on: December 03, 2020, 05:17:48 pm » |
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Landlord and wife bought a new bathroom vanity for their space downstairs, he installed it himself, and flooded their bathroom. So shut the water off for the day and went out to eat to comfort himself about the problem. I came back from a double shift and knew I needed to go see about fixing things or it would be days before we had water in our half of the place.
Got it fixed.
Today he was up here putting painting supplies from repainting their bathroom in the laundry room, and knocked the airlock off of one of my gallons of mead that was kept in there for the warmth and low light. I have no idea how long it was off and laying on the floor somewhere in the region of 10 minutes to a couple hours. I gave it a quick sanitizer rinse, and popped it back in place. it seems to still be bubbling away, and it fizzed up at the top after a swirl, to degas it a bit to push out some of the air.
I'm hoping I don't suddenly have a gallon of expensive vinegar in a couple weeks.
Because it's still bubbling, the general direction of flow of the air is from inside to outside, so the chances are that nothing got in. But still, I have my fingers crossed for you. My latest batches of mead (lemon and ginger) were both brewed with beer yeast so they're sweeter and slightly weaker (but still gigglingly strong  ), though for some reason the orange one, made at the same time, is refusing to clear. I may have to rerack it.
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« Reply #1168 on: December 04, 2020, 01:22:53 am » |
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 did it again while I was at work. I found it 2 hours later with the top off on the floor. I'm just done with this  just stay out of our space. stop wrecking things I'm working on by bumbling around like mister magoo. (edit: this is literally the back of a laundry room that nobody has needed to go to the back of in years, it's part of why I chose the spot. he knew ahead of time that I'd be keeping them there.)
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« Reply #1169 on: December 05, 2020, 05:30:03 pm » |
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I found out today that apparently I am cooking Christmas Dinner for me and my elderly mum at her place.
I do not do roasts........... mind you, can't be any worse than a few years ago, crunchy mash, etc. My mum was so embarrassed, I loved it, tasted the same just not roasties as we know them and everything was slightly browned .
Got to be better than last year what ever, spent Christmas Day sitting beside a hospital bed watching the old girl snore, wondering if she could die any moment.
Are Caramelized brussel sprouts a gourmet thing? We will find out and no doubt have a laugh.......
I'm gonna buy 2 packaged from Tesco just in case as back up........
Bring it on,
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« Reply #1170 on: December 05, 2020, 08:21:27 pm » |
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I found out today that apparently I am cooking Christmas Dinner for me and my elderly mum at her place.
I do not do roasts........... mind you, can't be any worse than a few years ago, crunchy mash, etc. My mum was so embarrassed, I loved it, tasted the same just not roasties as we know them and everything was slightly browned .
Got to be better than last year what ever, spent Christmas Day sitting beside a hospital bed watching the old girl snore, wondering if she could die any moment.
Are Caramelized brussel sprouts a gourmet thing? We will find out and no doubt have a laugh.......
I'm gonna buy 2 packaged from Tesco just in case as back up........
Bring it on,
SeveN..... Chef Du incompetent If it ain't pasta or rice
Why not go easy on yourself and grab a recipe from across the pond? If you have an oven (and since you're good at browning, hee, hee), just roast a Ham. Ham with mustard and brown sugar glazing, some pineapple slices (canned OK), clove, and cherries. You're done! There's a thousand recipes for the same dish online. This looks like the one we used to cook. https://iheartrecipes.com/easy-pineapple-glazed-ham-recipe/Actually I'm willing to bet that Brussel spouts can be caramelized.
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« Reply #1171 on: December 05, 2020, 11:05:28 pm » |
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Or just order the whole dinner in, precooked, from "Carvin'-it-Up" (or the equivalent in your part of the world!) - I did this a few years ago - roast pork, with crackling, roast potatoes & pumpkin, peas and gravy, for 15 people - total cost , $138.00 and worth every penny! Add in a couple of pre-bbq-ed chickens and some salad from the deli counter of the local supermarket, and bingo! - Christmas dinner for 15 for $175.00, plus home made dessert - easy as! Total cost, for 15, under $200.00 - bargain!
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« Reply #1172 on: December 06, 2020, 02:36:30 pm » |
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Or just order the whole dinner in, precooked, from "Carvin'-it-Up" (or the equivalent in your part of the world!) - I did this a few years ago - roast pork, with crackling, roast potatoes & pumpkin, peas and gravy, for 15 people - total cost , $138.00 and worth every penny! Add in a couple of pre-bbq-ed chickens and some salad from the deli counter of the local supermarket, and bingo! - Christmas dinner for 15 for $175.00, plus home made dessert - easy as! Total cost, for 15, under $200.00 - bargain!
Iv'e been looking into this and there's a brand of frozen food in the UK called Aunt Bessie's, they do just about everything you could want in a roast, result, off to the frozen section in the supermarket methinks, I still like the idea of Caramelized brussel sprouts........... 
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« Reply #1173 on: December 06, 2020, 02:41:32 pm » |
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... I still like the idea of Caramelized brussel sprouts...........  Hold up a tick and I'll try to get my sister's recipe. EDIT: Here it is. 1/2 cup pecans 6 slices bacon (side or "streaky" bacon, for the Brits) 2 lb Brussels sprouts, trimmed and halved 3 tbsp extra-virgin olive oil 1 tsp Kosher salt 1/2 tsp black pepper 2-1/2 tbsp balsamic vinegar 1 tbsp maple syrup Preheat oven to 350°F. Spread pecans on a foil-lined baking sheet. Lightly toast about 5 minutes. DO NOT BURN! Chop coarsely. Increase oven to 400°. Lay bacon strips on same foil-lined pan. Roast 12 to 20 minutes until crisp; turn halfway through. pour fat into a small bowl and reserve. Discard foil. Let bacon cool and chop. Increase oven to 425°. Lay new foil on the baking sheet. Place sprouts on foil and toss with reserved bacon fat, oil, salt and pepper. Roast sprouts 20 minutes until tender and caramelized. Stir halfway through to promote browning. Add vinegar and syrup. Toss to coat. Adjust seasoning. Right before serving add pecans and bacon. Serve hot or at room temperature.
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« Reply #1174 on: December 06, 2020, 03:19:00 pm » |
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... I still like the idea of Caramelized brussel sprouts...........  Hold up a tick and I'll try to get my sister's recipe. EDIT: Here it is. 1/2 cup pecans 6 slices bacon (side or "streaky" bacon, for the Brits) 2 lb Brussels sprouts, trimmed and halved 3 tbsp extra-virgin olive oil 1 tsp Kosher salt 1/2 tsp black pepper 2-1/2 tbsp balsamic vinegar 1 tbsp maple syrup Preheat oven to 350°F. Spread pecans on a foil-lined baking sheet. Lightly toast about 5 minutes. DO NOT BURN! Chop coarsely. Increase oven to 400°. Lay bacon strips on same foil-lined pan. Roast 12 to 20 minutes until crisp; turn halfway through. pour fat into a small bowl and reserve. Discard foil. Let bacon cool and chop. Increase oven to 425°. Lay new foil on the baking sheet. Place sprouts on foil and toss with reserved bacon fat, oil, salt and pepper. Roast sprouts 20 minutes until tender and caramelized. Stir halfway through to promote browning. Add vinegar and syrup. Toss to coat. Adjust seasoning. Right before serving add pecans and bacon. Serve hot or at room temperature. Thank you! I will, without a doubt give that a try, sounds more than rather yummy to me. 
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