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« on: July 24, 2015, 12:23:02 pm »

Still Waiting For This ''Non-Steampunk Historical Sci-fi) Subsection:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brutalist_architecture
https://www.google.ca/search?q=brutalism&biw=1536&bih=715&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMI9oHBkZ7yxgIVh12SCh0o_gst
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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2015, 01:32:18 pm »

We used to have the Tricorn here but has been levelled, a somewhat unattractive thing, gaining awards for most innovative and most ugly building in the UK.

I kinda agree with the latter......
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=the+tricorn+centre+in+portsmouth&biw=1024&bih=635&site=webhp&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CCsQsARqFQoTCIeQtrLd88YCFYVbFAoduLsDvw

I see alot of architectural designs that I actually like in the last link......
https://www.google.ca/search?q=brutalism&biw=1536&bih=715&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMI9oHBkZ7yxgIVh12SCh0o_gst

BUT.........

60's concrete aint a good thing is it?  Tongue Bricks and mortar for me I think at the end of the day.
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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2015, 03:31:22 pm »

It's interesting though not quite as retrofuturistic as Googie architecture.
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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2015, 03:51:54 pm »

Non-Euclidean architecture...?

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« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2015, 04:17:57 pm »

The first three are just sculptures, it takes more than that to make me go gibberingly insane. The last one I'm not convinced can be an actual building.
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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2015, 06:17:58 pm »

You see this is the problem with Architecture as a statement first and practicality second. Gray is depressing, the structures do not age well and they are a bastard to upgrade because they're all built like Russian bomb shelters.

The only way to fix a brutalist structure is to grow a horse ton of ivy up it as quickly as possible. Something that ugly? Make it look like Babylon as soon as you can!
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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2015, 12:15:09 am »

I've always thought the problem with brutalism was that, although a few people did it really well and there some amazing buildings out there, lots of other people figured that it was an easy style to copy and did it really really badly. Thus giving it a bad name. It didn't help that a lot of history was demolished to make way for it.

And yes, concrete does age rather badly.

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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2015, 01:08:56 am »

This is a really interesting subject.  I've never heard the term "Brutalism" before, nor associated it with a movement.  Also the wiki entry is remarkably devoid of any mention of Mexico City, and the reason I say that is because Mexico is absolutely chock-full of raw concrete modernist structures, many of them evoking pre-Hispanic structures.

I'll post sine pics as soon as I get home from work...
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« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2015, 08:51:29 am »

For me the epitome of the Brutalist style is the Queen Elizabeth Hall in Southwark, London; it's weird, because the interior is actually quite attractive, but the lumpy bare grey concrete exterior wouldn't look out of place in Mordor. I've no idea what Her Majesty thought of it when she went to open it.....

Google Queen Elizabeth Hall, then click on Images; the website address is ridiculously long.

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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2015, 08:56:01 am »

This isn't quite about the topic but I found this to be a nice little page.

http://architizer.com/blog/history-of-modern-architecture-through-movies/

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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2015, 09:07:29 am »

This is a really interesting subject.  I've never heard the term "Brutalism" before, nor associated it with a movement.  Also the wiki entry is remarkably devoid of any mention of Mexico City, and the reason I say that is because Mexico is absolutely chock-full of raw concrete modernist structures, many of them evoking pre-Hispanic structures.

I'll post sine pics as soon as I get home from work...

Architecture workshop building, National University, Mexico City, 1970


Entrance to Military Academy, Mexico City, 1975


Rebuilt National Music Hall, Mexico City, 1988

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« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2015, 09:09:01 am »

Why does the one in the middle look like something you'd expect to see in a 1980's Japanese Anime? "The Voltron Building"  Grin
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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2015, 09:42:42 am »

The middle one is quite clearly a place for spaceships to land and take off.
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« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2015, 02:16:19 pm »

The middle one is quite clearly a place for spaceships to land and take off.

That is the spaceship.  Wink
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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2015, 09:15:29 pm »

Non-Euclidean architecture...?

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The first three are just sculptures, it takes more than that to make me go gibberingly insane. The last one I'm not convinced can be an actual building.


You're right, that building looks like someone used photoshop an applied a bubble distortion.

But there are many other buildings with playful architecture

Palmas 555 building, State of Mexico (Mexico City Metro area),  Sordo-Madaleno,Wiechers, and de-Abiega Architects, 1975


Its an office building with two restaurants and a diner in the lower floors.  They used to have a great Italian restaurant and a nice French bistro.  They also had "VIPS" an American style diner (similar to Denny's)
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« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2015, 10:06:14 pm »

For me the epitome of the Brutalist style is the Queen Elizabeth Hall in Southwark, London; it's weird, because the interior is actually quite attractive, but the lumpy bare grey concrete exterior wouldn't look out of place in Mordor. I've no idea what Her Majesty thought of it when she went to open it.....

Google Queen Elizabeth Hall, then click on Images; the website address is ridiculously long.

Athanor.

Are you referring to the royal festival hall? I hate the building but love the idea, pathos and ethos that goes on within.
Maybe it is ironic that you have this megalith that wouldn't be seen to be out of place in 1984, home to the insanity of creative wonder.

I would love to redesign the royal festival hall as a concentric tower to art.

Unfortunately Robert Matthew made the art centre of the south bank look like a Feking brick. I blame 50's and 60's modernism. To the 50's mind "futuristic" would be clean lined, minimalistic and free from adornment. Pity it doesn't age well (the folly of putting an inorganic shape in an organic environment THAT WANTS TO KICK THE CR*P OUT OF IT!) and is soullessly unyielding and bleak. I have personal reservations regarding much of the work of Robert Matthew which although unpopular, is to my mind well founded.
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« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2015, 04:26:30 am »

The Geisel Library at the University of California, San Diego

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« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2015, 07:27:55 am »

Wow.
I like that one.
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« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2015, 08:21:53 am »

Wow.
I like that one.


Yeah. I got to study there a few times while preparing for some tests.  Finding a quiet place to study sometimes was a challenge, because libraries would be full and public spaces were somewhat far apart.  The university was very fragmented and I spent a lot of time walking.
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« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2015, 01:10:39 am »

Wow.
I like that one.


Yeah. I got to study there a few times while preparing for some tests.  Finding a quiet place to study sometimes was a challenge, because libraries would be full and public spaces were somewhat far apart.  The university was very fragmented and I spent a lot of time walking.

Judging by the reflections, it does look like that there isn't much substance there, similar to a folly I suspose.
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« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2015, 01:49:08 am »

Wow.
I like that one.


Yeah. I got to study there a few times while preparing for some tests.  Finding a quiet place to study sometimes was a challenge, because libraries would be full and public spaces were somewhat far apart.  The university was very fragmented and I spent a lot of time walking.

Judging by the reflections, it does look like that there isn't much substance there, similar to a folly I suspose.

I assure you it is hardly a garden folly. I was inside that building.  The building needs to house a large amount of mass in the form of books.  Books are very dense, mass-wise.  It is however steel-armoured and pre-tensed concrete space-frame, for there is zero sense in having a giant cube of solid concrete floating in mid space.
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« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2015, 03:57:59 am »

Wow.
I like that one.


Yeah. I got to study there a few times while preparing for some tests.  Finding a quiet place to study sometimes was a challenge, because libraries would be full and public spaces were somewhat far apart.  The university was very fragmented and I spent a lot of time walking.

Judging by the reflections, it does look like that there isn't much substance there, similar to a folly I suspose.

I assure you it is hardly a garden folly. I was inside that building.  The building needs to house a large amount of mass in the form of books.  Books are very dense, mass-wise.  It is however steel-armoured and pre-tensed concrete space-frame, for there is zero sense in having a giant cube of solid concrete floating in mid space.

Sir, I'm not doubting you in the slightest...but it does look like a whimsical piece of art (at least too me).  If you see what I mean?
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« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2015, 09:10:20 am »

For me the epitome of the Brutalist style is the Queen Elizabeth Hall in Southwark, London; it's weird, because the interior is actually quite attractive, but the lumpy bare grey concrete exterior wouldn't look out of place in Mordor. I've no idea what Her Majesty thought of it when she went to open it.....

Google Queen Elizabeth Hall, then click on Images; the website address is ridiculously long.

Athanor.

Are you referring to the royal festival hall? I hate the building but love the idea, pathos and ethos that goes on within.
Maybe it is ironic that you have this megalith that wouldn't be seen to be out of place in 1984, home to the insanity of creative wonder.

I would love to redesign the royal festival hall as a concentric tower to art.

Unfortunately Robert Matthew made the art centre of the south bank look like a Feking brick. I blame 50's and 60's modernism. To the 50's mind "futuristic" would be clean lined, minimalistic and free from adornment. Pity it doesn't age well (the folly of putting an inorganic shape in an organic environment THAT WANTS TO KICK THE CR*P OUT OF IT!) and is soullessly unyielding and bleak. I have personal reservations regarding much of the work of Robert Matthew which although unpopular, is to my mind well founded.

No, not the Royal Festival Hall, which is actually not altogether awful by comparison. The Queen Elizabeth Hall is on the same site (the old 1950s Festival of Britain site I believe, an area of Southwark flattened by the Blitz) but a bit to the south.

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« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2015, 03:06:24 pm »

Oh, that thing? Yes a great many things are none too shoddy when compared to that.
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