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Author Topic: The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (the movie)  (Read 7391 times)
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« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2007, 02:22:20 am »

I finished reading volume I, and while I at first thought the illustration was a bit sketchy (in both the old and new senses) It kind of grew on me. Very clever writing. I enjoyed it overall.

I really don't like that they think Moriarty could have beaten Sherlock Holmes at Reichenbach Falls. Nobody beats Sherlock. Maybe I'll find that he's still alive later on in the series. I only have volume one so I have hopes.
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« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2007, 02:34:34 am »

Umm... not read much Sherlock Holmes before, have you Tel Janin?
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« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2007, 02:49:21 am »

Nope, and I'll hold to my naive opinions until I have read it myself, at which point I will revise them.
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« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2007, 02:54:05 am »

Yeah I was about to say.. ummm dude Moriarity did...

Uhh never mind. That would be like telling someone who's never seen Star Wars who Luke's Father is. LOL
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« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2007, 07:48:47 am »

you guys are terrible people    Smiley



yeah, what you need to do is for like 10 bucks you can buy a paperback 2 volume collection of all of the Doyle Holmes works.  Get it and read them all back to back.  You begin to understand the greatness of this character outside of the Hound of Baskerville (which he played a minimal role in anyway)
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« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2007, 01:20:54 pm »

O.K: at risk of turning this into the Sherlock Holmes thread (WHY doesn't that exist?) -

Tel Janin: you are perfectly right. Hold to your opinions, but do get out there and read some more Conan Doyle - Holmes stories. They are incredibly good, you'll enjoy them SO much, and Vernian Process and I will delight in having very long, very boring conversations with you about them once you have. Look forward to it, old chap.

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« Reply #31 on: March 12, 2007, 05:28:34 am »

Having read both the graphic novels, and seen the movie, I would say that the movie is rather too... Blunt.

Yes, it had some fairly cool parts; but a lot of things felt far too anachronistic.

For example... The car. The weaponry.

It didn't feel so much "a past that could have been" in the true sense of the word; rather, it showed a past where it was inconceivable for our present (relatively speaking) technology NOT to come about.

And while the graphic novel was rather blunt in itself; it also had strong elements of the generally unseen.

I particularly detested the chase through Venice; to me, it showed everything that I disliked about the movie.

Yes, it was an interesting, flash action scene, but...

It just didn't seem to give a good feeling of the characters at all. The "cool" factors of the characters were too heavily laid on to make them interesting.

About the only part I did enjoy was the Africa Club section, dummy Quatermain et al.
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« Reply #32 on: March 12, 2007, 06:52:35 am »

Sorry, have to disagree on the Africa Club- I have read that the part was inserted because Sean Connery refused to play a drug-addicted Quatermain. And frankly, robbing Alan of that weakness just makes his episodes of steel and strength seem... flat. Uncontrasted.

It weakens the character. Like Greedo shooting first, and how making Han a 'fair player' from the outset just destroys his journey.
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« Reply #33 on: March 12, 2007, 06:58:46 am »

It was a major departure from the character as per the comics, it's true.

But it was, to me, the smallest character transgression inflicted in that movie.
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« Reply #34 on: March 21, 2010, 01:15:32 am »

Please forgive the thread necro; but, I saw this for the first time tonight.

It was sadly good.  Interesting plotline.  Decent enough acting.  Nice scenery and costuming.  My god, though, the unbelieveablity of it all.  A collection of figures from novels?  A vessel of that size in Venice?  Cresting halfway above water?  Moriarty?!  Unacceptable.  Beyond that, a rollicking good yarn.
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« Reply #35 on: March 21, 2010, 03:47:20 am »

My god, though, the unbelieveablity of it all.  A collection of figures from novels?  . . .  Moriarty?!  Unacceptable.
Unbelievable? Unacceptable? It's the whole point of the story - movie and comic.
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« Reply #36 on: March 21, 2010, 12:18:05 pm »

I thought they pretty much trashed Mina Harker's character.  She barely had anything intelligent to say at all and she was the heart of the comic series.  Quartermain was changed from being a proper English gentleman explorer who was easily flustered by Mina to a TAKE CHARGE SUPERMAN of the Victorian Age.  It was like watching Sean Connery act out a Mary Sue version of himself.  So really, those two characters were just not enjoyable to me. 

I did like Captain Nemo's Nautilus.  For obvious reasons of it being an extreme of supremely pretty and nautical wonderment.
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« Reply #37 on: March 22, 2010, 03:02:13 am »

I saw the movie before reading the graphic novels and so I really enjoyed Quatermain's Africa Club.  However that is probably due to my desire for such an experience myself.  I would much rather Connery have been in a role revolving around Quatermain's own adventures.  After reading the comic I had wished they followed it more truly and then continued with the second.  On the other side though, with all the horrendous CGI effects you can not knock they're Hyde.  Even though I was not thrilled with his over-all appearance at least that was a guy in a suit.  Also, for those interested in the continued chapters of the lives of Quatermain and Holmes might consider reading "The Great Detective at the Crucible of Life; Or, The Adventure of the Rose of Fire" by Thos. Kent Miller.
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« Reply #38 on: March 23, 2010, 06:34:29 pm »

I did like the inclusion of Dorian Grey, but I can see it would have been difficult for Moore to claim his death had been faked like he did with the other characters. As mentioned earlier, the literary references were too forced. Then again it seems people on here did miss the more subtle ones. There *was* a previous league, you see an oil painting of them in M´s lair. I didn´t mind making Mina a vampire. In the comic you do wonder why victorians would put a non-powered woman in charge of such a group. My issue with Quatermain is not making him a victorian superman(he rather was that in his stories I gather) but that he seemed much more Connery than Quatermain.

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« Reply #39 on: March 24, 2010, 03:40:17 am »

Borrowed from Wiki:
Quatermain is small, wiry, and unattractive, with a beard and short hair that sticks up like bristles on a brush. His one skill and source of pride is his marksmanship, where he has no equal.
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« Reply #40 on: March 24, 2010, 06:40:37 pm »

I did like the inclusion of Dorian Grey, but I can see it would have been difficult for Moore to claim his death had been faked like he did with the other characters. As mentioned earlier, the literary references were too forced. Then again it seems people on here did miss the more subtle ones. There *was* a previous league, you see an oil painting of them in M´s lair. I didn´t mind making Mina a vampire. In the comic you do wonder why victorians would put a non-powered woman in charge of such a group. My issue with Quatermain is not making him a victorian superman(he rather was that in his stories I gather) but that he seemed much more Connery than Quatermain.



I didn't mind the vampire bit.  There were hints at that in the comic, but what really irritated me was the lack of intelligent or irreverent dialogue.
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« Reply #41 on: March 24, 2010, 06:54:14 pm »

I cant say I knew anything about it until I saw this film, but I loved it.
I have to FF through the section in Venice when everything is collapsing, very dull but lovedthe look and the costumes and the theme/idea of it all.If anything they could have gone more OTT with characters/costumes.
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« Reply #42 on: March 24, 2010, 09:28:19 pm »

I haven't read the graphic novels yet and I didn't see the film until I got the DVD one Christmas.  It has its flaws I think, the worst of which being that the director didn't seem to know what sort of film he was making.  Seriously, action becomes thriller becomes political intrigue... it's all too confusing really.  I also take umbrage that the film doesn't follow the books (which I have read of on wikipedia).  Then again, this is the same criticism I have of the latest Sherlock Holmes offering (and which saw me walk out of the cinema in disgust). 

Nice eye candy to watch if you have a spare couple of hours and want to give your brain a rest, but for me not a must-see.  It's a shame.  It could have been so much more.
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« Reply #43 on: March 24, 2010, 09:48:57 pm »

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« Reply #44 on: March 24, 2010, 10:18:20 pm »

I love the books containing all those disparate characters.
I love the graphic novels that combined them and hope for more.
I loved the film apart from the casting of Connery 'cause he was responsible for the plot changes (the bloody diva) and the 'over vampirisation' of Mina that was so much more subtly handled in the graphic novels.

All these things should be seen as different. Trying to compare them is futile. Or is that resistance, I forget? Grin

I'm also suprised this thread is still alive.

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« Reply #45 on: March 25, 2010, 02:59:18 am »

On the Quatermain issue.  There is sometimes a question as to his skills, talents, and appearance because of the the end of the book Allan Quatermain where his companions mention that he does sell himself short.
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« Reply #46 on: May 03, 2010, 06:04:33 am »

I have to say that I guess my standards are lower then everybody else's because I loved this film. I watch it quite often and enjoy the experience every time. I know I'm outside of the mainstream now I wonder by just how much...   Grin

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« Reply #47 on: May 06, 2010, 07:28:08 am »

It is just late enough at night for me to think it's a good idea to download this film. I will probably end up regretting it, but I am by no means emotionally attached to the graphic novels. I consider V for Vendetta Moore's best work mainly because it was concise and not a huge tangled mess--the opposite of League, basically. At first the idea of so many literary characters interacting that way was irresistibly charming, but then it became one long wank. The Black Dossier was an especially egregious example of this. I understand Alan Moore is clever and has read a great many books; I just wish he could have stopped reminding us of that fact long enough to tell a story.

In any case, I am cautiously optimistic about what I expect to be a fun romp of a movie. I may return later to post a giant crumb-spewing rant. I don't know what about, though--I know what I'm getting into, and it's not as though they could possibly make the lone female character any less empowered or interesting than she was in the graphic novels. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #48 on: May 06, 2010, 09:59:14 am »

I have to admit that I, too, like this movie for exactly what it is - a 'B' movie bit of fun. People don't seem to understand the need for 'B' movies these days - they expect everything to be a 'LoTR' or 'Titanic'.

I thank the Lord for movies like 'TLoEG' because they are great for wet Sunday afternoons and days when I am off work sick! Wink

...No brain power required, in other words. Smiley
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« Reply #49 on: May 06, 2010, 05:46:50 pm »

Well, it wasn't abysmal.

It was bad, sure--that script was just awful. And there were many, many parts that sucked (Tom Sawyer, for starters), but on the whole I really enjoyed it. Nemo was just about perfect, and I really like this version of the Nautilus. I miss the mechanical tentacles, but the pristine whiteness of it feels right somehow.

Jekyll and Hyde were excellent, mostly thanks to Jason Flemyng being awesome. And I rather like what they did with Mina.

Basically, the gadgets were not front and center nearly as much as they should have been to make up for the crap script. If you can get past that and disregard the obviously superior source material, you might like it. Again, I'm not attached to the graphic novels, so your steam-powered mileage may vary.
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