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Author Topic: The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (the movie)  (Read 7377 times)
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« on: March 06, 2007, 11:42:10 pm »

Ok folks, here's the deal....

I have heard so many terrible things about this movie, but walking through the video store today it was 7 Eu, and I picked it up.

Quite honestly, I WAS disapointed with it, but did not think that it was the work of Baal Zebub himself!

It was campy, there was lots of dumb stuff, but I think thematically they held to the Steampunk thing pretty well (at least in my mind).  I enjoyed their take on Nemo and his ship, I enjoyed the sets, etc.

but the thread hasn't been started yet and I want to hear everyone elses take on it.

WHY IS LxG TERRIBLE?
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« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2007, 12:04:50 am »

I have to agree, it's not Shakespeare but it'll do in a pinch! It along with WWW get maligned much more that I think they deserve.
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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2007, 12:13:37 am »

Personally I thought the designs were weak, the Nautilus looks like it was built in the 1940s and the Nemobile does too. Steampunk wise it wasn't very interesting.

Also, I thought the literary references were forced: 

Sean Connery exits the car "80 days?? What was Phileas Fogg thinking?"

"call me Ishmael..."    come oooooon......

Also, in relation to the book...which was FULL with awesomeness, tiny little references in the background, it was a LOT of fun...the movie doesn't compare. but thats just me.
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« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2007, 12:24:06 am »

Also, in relation to the book...which was FULL with awesomeness, tiny little references in the background, it was a LOT of fun...the movie doesn't compare. but thats just me.

I'm guessing you didn't see the "Explosions on Mars" newspaper headline, or the deerstalker in the display case in The Annex? I'm guessing there's more than that, but that's all I can remember just now.

Actually, I'm rather fond of LXG. I can see how people who were fans of the comic might be displeasedwith it, but in terms of campiness, it was no worse than many summer blockbusters. Of course, I'm notoriously easy to please in the cinematic department.  Wink
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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2007, 01:33:49 am »

It was the silly jokes and incredibly bad CGI that put me off.  All that is owned by Nemo is fantastic, however.  I want the car and that mechanical locater thing BAD...

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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2007, 01:45:09 am »

I was really looking forward to it. I got to see it in the theater and was not disappointed. My darling also bought the movie when it came out on DVD for me as a present as well.

I do own the comics and enjoy them. However the movie was everything I wanted and expect from such a movie: great acting, neat props, an engaging story, and a chance to be entertained for a set period of time. I liked the way they handled many of the interactions, I LOVED many of the little props and details. I also enjoyed seeing other people's visions of some of my all-time favorite literary characters. I actually enjoyed the contrasts to the comic and appreciated the somewhat light-hearted and campiness of the movie.

I don't always expect things to live up to my ideals. As long as something was well-done I am fine with it. I often like how the visual form of a story is very different than the written. Sometimes things can be written succinctly in a single paragraph that could take many minutes to show on screen, conversely a single picture can show something that could take pages to explain in a book.
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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2007, 02:25:25 am »

I really enjoyed the movie, and just today picked up the first volume of the comic.

I must admit, the first time I saw the movie I got lost somewhere along the way and didn't follow where the story was going for a few minutes. That might have been because I was transfixed by all the cool machines though.
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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2007, 02:59:18 am »


I'm guessing you didn't see the "Explosions on Mars" newspaper headline, or the deerstalker in the display case in The Annex? I'm guessing there's more than that, but that's all I can remember just now.

No no, I did see that stuff (well, the Mars headline anyway) but that falls under the forced references a little.....Mars doesn't attack at the end of the movie, like in the comic, its all just a throwaway gag....a nod to the fans

Now with that said, I liked the acting very much...and I thought the characters were very well done... Even the new ones, Dorian Gray and Tom Sawyer wound up being really good characters. And I like that Nemo was finally portrayed as an Indian like he should be (although I did see James Mason's Nemo as British Indian, without a turban....of course I think I'm alone there)  :/
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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2007, 03:03:46 am »

Now look here:



THIS is cool...why can't the Nautilus be this cool....white? ugh...Blade of the Sea, whatever....I wanted to see something big and clunky and dirty and beautiful....not sleek and shiny. This is a GREAT sitting room.
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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2007, 08:50:16 am »

I liked it...alot of my friends, did not. It's ok, they're not "into" steampunk.
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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2007, 10:07:09 am »

The only thing that ruined it for me was the nautilus.  I EXPECT campy dialog from a movie of this genre, so that didn't disturb me at all, but the Nautilus scenes just sort of left me feeling like they could have done better.  It must have been mostly CG, because it looked like they couldn't even decide how large it should be.  In some scenes the sub looks very narrow, but inside it has lots of wide spaces.  At times it looks like it has the draft of a canoe, but it surfaces from shallow water and rises a hundred feet above the characters at the dock.  Sailing into the canals of venice was equally silly, especially given that the ship had the small boats, of the sort dorian escaped in. 

As I write this, I remember the OTHER thing that bothered me, and I'll group it with the submarine scenes as well, as its an underwater thing.  Venice is NOT built on some sort of architectural foundation.  Yes, it's on pilings, but they're in the form of posts driven down into the mud, and rock fill, and such.  There's no secret underneath to venice.

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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2007, 10:44:14 am »

from a film for films sake perspective, my issues was the TERRIBLE script.  Like some of you have already stated, many of the lines were forced.

and some just didn't belong there at all:
"save your bullets, these men are MIIIIIINE"

dumb.

And I agree with the point that they didn't know how large to make the Sub.  At points it was the size of an aircraft carrier, at points it could, without being detected, navigate the Venetian channels.

Having been to India a few times, I think the interior of the sub is EXACTLY what I would expect from Nemo.  Everything clean and white, open spaces, ornate carvings for no other reason than to be ornate.  This is the luxury class in northern India.

They didn't play with gadgets nearly as much as they needed to (for my tastes)

It kind of struck me as a film that easily could have been an R, but they opted for a PG.  Complete with the cartoony slapstick fight scenes.

And the Hyde-fight at the end was mind-numbingly stupid.

Overall I would rate it a C.  It kept me thinking for the duration of the film.
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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2007, 05:12:38 pm »

Nooooooooooo.

OK now I got that out my system....

I can't really go into too great detail as that would require me rewatching the thing and I'll take an ice pick to the frontal lobes before I do that again. Wink

If they'd have stuck to the book they'd have had a film full of derring do and some fine steampunkery. Instead they clearly thought they need to jam more and more elements into it most of which were badly conceived and poorly executed making suspension of disbelief impossible when you are jarred out of it by ridiculous things like:

1. Venice toppling like dominos.

2. Sean's moment with the tiger.

There were just too many points where I had to stop watching the film to declare "what were you thinking of???"

I do think it is good that people enjoyed it, I'm just not oen fo those people and I so wanted to as well.
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« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2007, 06:26:56 pm »

I thought it was an ok film.  But there again as long as I can suspend belief in the real world for a while then mostly I'm happy.

I like some of the stuff but did find other bits a tad polished for my liking.
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« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2007, 06:43:21 pm »

I lost a piece of my soul the night I braved the cinema to see this "film" (if that's a proper term to describe it).

This mostly being due to the Graphic Novels being one of my favorite things to come out of the industry since Stank Sakai's Usagi Yojimbo.

The movie was about as far removed from the novels as they could possibly make them.
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« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2007, 06:51:42 pm »

You should listen to the comic authors take on the movie, he is not much of a fan. 
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« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2007, 06:55:20 pm »

The film was what got me into Steampunk, so there must have been something good about it.  Wink  Well, make that "enjoyable", it was a fun movie, and if you for a brief moment try and forget that it's supposedly based upon one of the greatest graphic novels, then there are actually some things that worked out OK.  Of course, Alan Moore's original is so much better that it may be impossible to translate that awesomeness to the big screen.  I think why the film was mainly so appealing is because it put in image some of the things we've only seen on paper, but other than that, the plot was ill-conceived, the dialogue occassionally weak, and the "themes" the film tried to... "do", such as the father-son relation between Connery's Quatermain and the Sawyer kid, well there were just executed poorly and could have been neglected without anyone missing anything.  But I for one welcomed the film's interpretation of the Nautilus, I liked the whole "Sword of the Ocean" thing.  But I'm probably alone there....  Wink
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« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2007, 09:22:47 pm »

no man, i loved the shape and size of the thing....  I mean, it is as large as an aircraft carrier.


its just that they did stupid stuff with it.
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« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2007, 10:52:12 pm »

But I for one welcomed the film's interpretation of the Nautilus, I liked the whole "Sword of the Ocean" thing.  But I'm probably alone there....  Wink

And thats cool, but the problem I had with the Nautilus was that it just doesn't look like it was built in the 1860s....Its what I loved about the Disney version, and thats what makes me love Steampunk in the first place...Machines and vehicles that look like the time they were built in.....WWW was a pretty bad movie, but the vehicles and machines are AMAZING.

and I guess the Nemobile is closer to a turn of the century vehicle...so I will give them that.
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« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2007, 01:09:05 am »

i enjoyed the film .saw that first then got the graphic novels.alan moore used to do a lot for 2000ad which i used to read religiously.my favourite thing in the film was the tank.with this kind of film i can forgive a lot.after all its only light hearted entertainment when alls said and done.and lets face it we all (well i would anyway)love to have throw away snappy one liners.i always come up with something ten minutes later.                               


damn no cant think of anything.
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« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2007, 01:47:35 am »

See the problem is that I didn't want the film treated as a one liner strewn brainless popcorn flic. Because the source material was very smart and funny, without relying on campy humor and crappy dialog. The historical references were obscure, but rewarding. The whole look and feel of the book was incredible! The story was interesting with alot of cool locations and technology.

The movie just kind of took the names of the literary heroes that were the league (trashed the rest of the books) and threw them into something that resembled X-Men but was terrible, and uninteresting.

Oh and the constant references to the source material drove me batty.

Oh Dorian... what happened to your... "Portrait"?

The delivery of those kinds of lines was like the actor would slow down their speech to iterate the referecnes to the characters literary devices.

Oh, Captain Nemo... are we... "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea"... yet? (or something to that effect).

They were treating the audience like braindead zombies who couldn't possibly know who the character were without talking about the names of their books!?? Insulting!

Oh and I think my favorite part of the movie (because it was so bad), was Mina's whole Van Helsing-esque transformation into a freaking stupid looking super vampire! In the comic it's hardly ever inferred that she is actually a vampire. Which is why she keeps her shawl on all the time. She's also incredibly reserved and low key as to not draw attention to herself.

Ok I'll stop now, I could seriously write an essay on why this movie angered me to the point of losing my sanity.
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« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2007, 02:32:12 am »

See the problem is that I didn't want the film treated as a one liner strewn brainless popcorn flic. Because the source material was very smart and funny, without relying on campy humor and crappy dialog. The historical references were obscure, but rewarding. The whole look and feel of the book was incredible! The story was interesting with alot of cool locations and technology.

The movie just kind of took the names of the literary heroes that were the league (trashed the rest of the books) and threw them into something that resembled X-Men but was terrible, and uninteresting.

Oh and the constant references to the source material drove me batty.

Oh Dorian... what happened to your... "Portrait"?

The delivery of those kinds of lines was like the actor would slow down their speech to iterate the referecnes to the characters literary devices.

Oh, Captain Nemo... are we... "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea"... yet? (or something to that effect).

They were treating the audience like braindead zombies who couldn't possibly know who the character were without talking about the names of their books!?? Insulting!

Oh and I think my favorite part of the movie (because it was so bad), was Mina's whole Van Helsing-esque transformation into a freaking stupid looking super vampire! In the comic it's hardly ever inferred that she is actually a vampire. Which is why she keeps her shawl on all the time. She's also incredibly reserved and low key as to not draw attention to herself.

Ok I'll stop now, I could seriously write an essay on why this movie angered me to the point of losing my sanity.

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« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2007, 02:39:14 am »

LXG Movie = Bad.

The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Graphic Novels, are sublime.

And no: I saw the film first.
I had read most of the source books, and was really looking forward to the kind of incredible things that a writer could do with a story made up of such diverse, and wonderful characters. I was kind of wondering what Tom Sawyer was doing there, but will admit that Dorian Grey was a really smart inclusion.

And I was so disappointed.
Incredibly poor script, where decent dialogue and subtlety of any kind were gutted on the alter of Holywood accessibility and pandering to a USAan audience. Why so much 'magic'? Over-use of CG and under use of period-appropriate design.

My wife took pity on me, and bought me the Graphic Novels. And they more than realised everything I could have hoped for out of such an original story concept.

I guess what it comes down to is that Alan Moore could invent and treat such a set of characters in such a world with the seriousness that helps an audience invest in it emotionally, and Holywood couldn't. And if you can't invest in it emotionally, then it's not worth it.

WWW was exactly the same.

I need more than cogs inserted into a movie for me to like it.
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« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2007, 09:11:21 pm »

Well yes apart from major storyline issues, I think it was the poor CG that did it.

But I still liked it. And the car. With those headlights. And the wheels... oh yes.
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« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2007, 12:28:14 am »

ok, so i went to the comic shop here in Munich (there are 2) and bought a LxG comic (there were 2 - - both the same).

It was volume 2 issue 6.  They are leaving the Island and Hyde takes on one of the martians.

Well written, enjoyed the illustrations, i can understand why people would have gotten upset at the film.  (those that knew the books first).  I thought the film was dumb (with some really cool stuff in it), but didn't hate it because i knew nothing of the referances they were making.  I saw the "explosions on mars" poster and knew it from the War of the Worlds vinyl that I had a few years ago.... etc.

But, I now have to figure out where to get the rest of these damned books.  I will be in chicago soon (in a country that actually reads comics).
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