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Author Topic: Axminster sheetmetal worker. Anyone used one/seen one/got one?  (Read 586 times)
Dr cornelius quack
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« on: July 30, 2012, 07:52:03 pm »

Hello.

I'm seriously thinking about buying one of these.

http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-305mm-sheet-metal-worker-prod23311/

Any of you folks seen one up close or had a chance to use one?

I know what all the bits do, but I want to get some input on how robust the thing is, if poss.

Ta.

Dr. Q.
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« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2012, 11:47:26 pm »

not used one of those but Axminster are prity good.
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« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2012, 08:31:27 am »

I have used similar tools and found them a lot like a Swiss Army Knife. They do a whole lot of things but discrete machines do them a whole lot better. That being said though, I work fairly heavy stuff and tend to be  unhappy with smaller tools. Just looking at the photos this seems more logically designed than several similar tools I have seen here in the states. If it is heavy enough to handle the projected use then go for it!
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« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2012, 12:04:13 pm »

I'm seriously thinking about buying one of these.

http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-305mm-sheet-metal-worker-prod23311/

Any of you folks seen one up close or had a chance to use one?

I know what all the bits do, but I want to get some input on how robust the thing is, if poss.


The metal workshop that I work in made the mistake of buying a very similar machine.
The thicknesses stated that this can handle are a bit of an exageration, divide it by 2/3 if working on steel and you'd be closer to the mark.
The shear part is the most problematic, as it completely manually powered and reliant on the weight of the person operating.
The lever arms really aren't long enuough to provide enough leverage to cut, bend or roll 1mm steel with any predictability.
For the equivalent of AU $300, it isn't a huge investment and might be useful if you're intending to be mostly working in brass or aluminium.
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« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2012, 02:00:02 pm »

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The metal workshop that I work in made the mistake of buying a very similar machine.
The thicknesses stated that this can handle are a bit of an exageration, divide it by 2/3 if working on steel and you'd be closer to the mark.
The shear part is the most problematic, as it completely manually powered and reliant on the weight of the person operating.
The lever arms really aren't long enuough to provide enough leverage to cut, bend or roll 1mm steel with any predictability.
For the equivalent of AU $300, it isn't a huge investment and might be useful if you're intending to be mostly working in brass or aluminium.
I got a Made in China 1m 200mm wide through a local tool supply about 6 years ago for $1300au and about the only bit I ever could use was the up to 90 degree folder.
It works this way want to roll ...GET a roller....want to cut ...GET the local tin shop to stuff it in there motor cutter or if it is small get a pair of tin snips...
Get the Drift 1 tool 1 job ..the ones that are designed to do multi things have faults
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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2012, 03:49:33 pm »

A. Pettyengineer I agree. Most (if not all) combination tools fall far short of being able to meet the claims made for them.  In my shop I buy with the thought that what I am doing today may not be what I will be doing at a later date. I much prefer to buy the heaviest stand alone tool I can afford. Even at that rate I have had to replace several over the years to handle heavier duty work that I got into as I became more skilled. One example would be my anvil in the smithy. I started with a sectin of RR track. I now have a 127 pound anvil and an 86 pound anvil and am looking for a 200 pound anvil. Same goes for my Beverly shear. I need a larger one. If I can find one in the next larger size I can afford I will have that beggar.
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Dr cornelius quack
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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2012, 07:32:39 pm »

Thanks for the input, Peeps.


As a general rule, I tend to agree with the 'one job, one tool' notion and I always take the capacity specs on these things to mean what it will cut on the first day when it's fresh out of the box with an unused blade.

In this case, I have a very specific set of requirements in hand as to the materials to be worked. All non ferrous, sheet up to about 20 gauge and some small rod and tube.
Also, I'm not looking at high volume use. Just 'one-offs' and a bit of small batch work.

I've found out today that Axminster have a branch not too far away, so I'm going to take a trip out there to get a shufty at one in the flesh.

Ta, muchly.

Dr. Q.
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Dr cornelius quack
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« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2012, 11:48:40 pm »

Take one large sheet of Brass.



Introduce it to your new toy.



Cut it to fit into the lid of the quite nice looking box donated by a friend.



Start thinking about the layout of the panel, so's you can fit the Arduino synth module and make a portable musical instrument that will take inputs from a number of steamy looking control interfaces.

Simple, really.

Bottom line.
My new sheet metal worker has arrived and I am like the dog with two d*cks!!

Expect all sorts of tin bashing goodness imminently.

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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2012, 01:38:34 am »

Nothing like a new toy tool to get ones creative juices flowing.  Looking forward to your report on how the device works for you.
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« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2012, 02:42:38 am »

Dr. Quack,was that box originally a portable radio of some sort-modern,of course. I remember seeing one like that and if I recall it wasn't that cheap. Nice friend may I borrow him/her?
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« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2012, 08:15:24 am »

Not to worry, Mr. Maets.

I shall be giving Chapter and Verse on the workings  of my new toy very soon.

Drew, spot on. Cassette, radio and CD player. Non-functional.

I don't know about not cheap though. The works of the thing were pretty rubbish but the box will serve nicely for my purpose.
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« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2012, 03:01:10 am »

I have two telephones from the same line. They look nice, but have far too many plastic parts. Please keep me updated on your experience, I might get one of these too.
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« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2012, 08:02:11 pm »

I don't like those things. They're hazardous. They're a roller, a shear, and a bender all connected together, so when you're using one, the other two functions are also moving.  When you're trying to bend, there's this unguarded shear blade moving up and down.  

TechShop has one, but nobody uses it.
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Dr cornelius quack
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« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2012, 09:24:57 pm »

I don't like those things. They're hazardous. They're a roller, a shear, and a bender all connected together, so when you're using one, the other two functions are also moving.  When you're trying to bend, there's this unguarded shear blade moving up and down.  

TechShop has one, but nobody uses it.

They could give it to me, then, I'd have two.

I have to say that the risk involved is minimal when using this machine. To operate any of the tools, the user has to be standing at the end of the machine  with both hands on the handles that turn the mechanism. This puts you well out of harms way and with a clear view of the different parts of the beast.
Feeding stock into the roller is best done from the front but requires only a few degrees movement of the handle to pinch the plate and then you can move back to the side.

The folding break is the most open aperture on the unit and does have an opening that would allow you to get a finger inside. The pressure plate that grips stock in the shear  is set to act as a guard against getting anything squishy too close to the blades.

I'm the only person who uses the space where the thing is set up and there is no way for the uninvited to get in. I use the thing for a relatively short time at each use, being individual cuts or rolls, rather than a lot of the same operation. So I don't get blasé about safety. Also, I have enough affection for the protuberant bits of my anatomy not to put them at risk rashly.

I'd say that the thing is no more dangerous than some of the hand tools that I use, and I use those much more frequently than the plateworker.

My hammer, saw, drill...... is 'Hazardous', but the hazard is known and proper control measures reduce the 'risk' to as low a level as possible.
Being aware that the risk still exists tends to make you treat the thing with caution.

Shoggi.

Yup. The only bits that are worth saving on that player are the case and the battery compartment, which has a built in charger and a set of NiCads.

So far, I've cut and rolled about twenty blanks from the Brass stock you can see in the picture. The plate for the music box is the biggest up to now, being about 450mm long. The machine dealt with it beautifully. Easy cutting, clean edge, no distortion, very pleasing.

The other things have been small sections of 170mm lengths by around 50mm wide. These get rolled down to a 54mm dia. cylinder to be brazed  up and capped with an end plate.

The rollers work work pretty well without any slippage and give a very even curvature.
They do give that characteristic 'flat' at the leading edge of the blank because of the clearance between the pinch rollers and the bending roller, but all these types of machine do that and you cure it by reversing the piece and sending it through the other way.

I've only used the folder to try it out, as yet, (not had a job that needs it) but it seems OK.
A musician friend has talked about some Brass boxes for his guitar FX pedals, so that might be a better chance to test it out.

So far, so good.
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