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« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2012, 08:10:03 pm »

Just made a jar of mild habanero ketchup  Grin

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« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2012, 09:07:18 pm »

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A friend of mine, a keen grower of veg on an allotment said it couldnt be done as capsicums are annuals, but if you keep them warm and away from frost, they will survive. If you dont use a light in winter, stop feeding and water sparingly, you may get some leaf drop but dont panic, come the summer it will start growing again.

I gave my plant away in the end, over 6ft tall, extremely bushy and 3 years old.

Many 'annuals' die after the first summer either because of a) frost or b) Ultraviolet 'sunburn'.  If they can be protected from both, they tend to keep growing.

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« Reply #27 on: July 19, 2012, 01:33:25 am »

I've got a jar of Homegrown (not mine) pickled chilli's in the larder - they are little green jobbies, I did add the large green Scots bonnet from his pickled onions (my they were a "touch" spicy) - they rate on the personal scale as "F*****G HOT" - Has anybody else tried "Dave's Insanity Sauce" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave%27s_Gourmet- I like the comment on the back of the bottle about it being able to remove oilstains from concrete drives!! - this one scores in the same area as my mate's pickles!!

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My first encounter with Dave's Insanity Sauce was my Junior Year of High School.

My Home Room teacher had a bottle-he'd dole it out on the end of a toothpick to most students.

Not for me-he was out of toothpicks.

I just up'd the bottle on the end of my pinkie finger, licked it right off, and asked him what the big deal was.

Kinda tasted like burnt coffee...  I prefer Tabasco for flavor.
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« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2012, 03:23:24 am »

I've tried Dave's as well...not something I want to do on a regular basis.

Don't get me wrong, I like hot, but the chili has to have a good flavor.  I can't do hot for hot's sake. 

One of the hottest meals I've ever had was in Albuquerque, NM.  A place called Sadie's.  We all ordered something that came with chili sauce on it.  Some got green, some got red, those that couldn't decide went Christmas.  We all suffered and it wasn't even their "hot" stuff.  We noticed most of the other tables had the chili sauce on the side in bowls! 

I'm in for the Chili cook-off in Terlingua, so let me know when it is.  Always wanted to do that!
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« Reply #29 on: July 19, 2012, 04:45:50 am »

I've tried Dave's as well...not something I want to do on a regular basis.

Don't get me wrong, I like hot, but the chili has to have a good flavor.  I can't do hot for hot's sake.  

One of the hottest meals I've ever had was in Albuquerque, NM.  A place called Sadie's.  We all ordered something that came with chili sauce on it.  Some got green, some got red, those that couldn't decide went Christmas.  We all suffered and it wasn't even their "hot" stuff.  We noticed most of the other tables had the chili sauce on the side in bowls!  

I'm in for the Chili cook-off in Terlingua, so let me know when it is.  Always wanted to do that!


Alright then, we have several takers.  Shall we organize the First Weird-West/Steampunk Chili Cook-off in Terlingua?  Grin  We'd have to round up the wagons and organize a proper expedition, the area seems to be somewhat lacking, demographically speaking...

Just made a jar of mild habanero ketchup  Grin

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Indeed!  Just one step away from Russian Dressing (actually a late Victorian period invention).  Excellent over poached eggs and toast.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_dressing
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Russian dressing is a salad dressing invented in the United States in the late 19th century or early 20th century. Typically piquant, it is today characteristically made of a blend of mayonnaise and ketchup complemented with such additional ingredients as horseradish, pimentos, chives and spices.[1][2]


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« Reply #30 on: July 19, 2012, 05:33:25 am »

It's a two day trip for me to Terlingua, but, I think given enough time, we may could swing it.  My wife's got family out that way, it's certain I am they'd not mind seeing us out yonder!
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« Reply #31 on: July 19, 2012, 06:59:43 am »

It's a two day trip for me to Terlingua, but, I think given enough time, we may could swing it.  My wife's got family out that way, it's certain I am they'd not mind seeing us out yonder!


I almost got hired 2 years ago at the Univ. of Texas' McDonald Observatory, which would have been a lot closer to Terlingua at Mount Fowlkes/Locke ( Elev. 6791 ft/ 2069m ).  But the drive from Austin is a prohibitive 375 linear miles away and 175 away from Terlingua!! (Texas is big, y'all!) .

The advantage of that area is the weather.  Even though it looks quite arid, the area happens to be at a slightly higher altitude (compared to the rest of the state which is near sea level), so the climate is a little cooler and dry at Terlingua (2800 ft / 853m)

EDIT: I know it's all conjecture now, but maybe we should synchronize it with the annual Chili cook-off on Nov 3. Another BBQ contest will be held on Nov. 1.  I'm willing to bet the weather will be quite cool by November (desert nights can be cold toward the end of the year)!

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The 46th Terlingua International Chili Championship will be held at Rancho Casi de los Chisos, west of Terlingua, Texas on Saturday November 3, 2012.  Terlingua is in the Big Bend region of Texas. If you are having a hard time finding Rancho Casi on your map, it is at N29 18.663 degrees, and W 103 40.246 degrees on  your GPS.


AND to not hijack the thread too much  Roll Eyes , let me compliment by adding last year's winning Chili con carne sauce recipe by Larry Walton (Note about 2 lbs. of meat are missing - I guess self-explanatory, and I have yet to decipher the "technical" language, e.g. "Chili Grind" = course ground meat, "dump"= vat?, granules = bouillon? Huh ) :

1st Dump
1 TBS Mild Bills Onion Granules
1 TBS Mild Bills Garlic Granules
1 TBS Beef Granules
1 TBS Chicken Granules
1 TBS Mild Bills San Antonio Original Chili Powder
1 TBS Mexene Chili Powder
1/8 tsp Salt
2 Dashes Louisiana Hot Sauce


2nd Dump
1 tsp Garlic Granules
1 TBS Cumin Mild Bills
1 Package Sazon Goya
1 TBS Cowtown Light Chili Powder Mild Bills
1 TBS Mexene Chili Powder
1/8 tsp Cayenne Pepper
2 Dashes Louisiana Hot Sauce


Brown 2 lbs of Chili Grind drain off grease add 1 can beef broth, ½ can chicken broth, and add 1 ½ cans of tomato sauce. Bring up to a boil and then reduce heat to a slow simmer for 40 min. Add 1st Dump and simmer for 40 min. then add 2nd Dump cook on low heat for 25 min. Taste you may have to add salt and if it’s too hot, add 1/8 tsp brown sugar if needed.


It looks like most Chili con Carne (Texan) recipes use the same ingredients; beef and chicken bouillon, various kinds of powdered chili, as well as onion and garlic powder, cumin spice and the fat drained from the browned meat.

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For a more exotic, ancient, and original use of Habanero peppers, I have this description (translated by yours truly from Wikipedia) of the traditional Mexican Maya dish known as Papatzul:

Papadzul or Papatzul is a colonial Mexican (mixed Native plus Spanish) dish from the Yucatan, Quintana-Roo and Campeche regions of Southern Mexico (Mayan states).  The dish is a relatively simple one consisting of maize tortillas doused in a pumpkin-seed based sauce then filled with hard boiled egg, and finally covered in a Tomato and Habanero chile based sauce with onions used as garnish.


Papadzul dinner main course, Serves 4 (http://www.fiery-foods.com/recipesearch/enchiladas-stuffed-with-hardcooked-eggs-papadzul)

    2 large tomatoes, peeled and chopped
    1 habanero chile, stem and seeds removed
    1 tablespoon dried Epazote (wormseed/Jesuit's tea/Paico/Herba Sancti Mariæ)
    2 cups chicken broth
    1 small onion, chopped
    2 tablespoons vegetable oil, divided
    1 cup toasted pumpkin seeds, finely ground
    8 corn tortillas
    6 hard-cooked eggs, peeled and chopped


Combine the tomatoes, chile, epazote, and broth in a saucepan. Bring to a boil, reduce the heat and simmer for 5 minutes. Remove and strain, saving both the tomatoes and the broth. Heat one-half of the oil in a skillet and saute until hot and add to the tomato mixture. Place the mixture in a blender or food processor and puree until smooth. Saute the sauce in the remaining oil for 5 minutes.  Heat the tomato broth in a another skillet and slowly stir in the seeds. Simmer until the mixture thickens and is the consistency of thick cream, stirring constantly. Be very careful that the sauce does not boil or it may curdle.  Dip the tortillas in the warm pumpkin seed sauce to coat and soften. Place some of the chopped eggs in the center, roll up, and place on a platter. Pour the remaining pumpkin seed sauce over the top, then the tomato sauce, and serve.

Note: If your tortillas are stiff, heat some vegetable oil until very hot and dip the tortillas in the oil for a couple of seconds. Drain on paper towels.

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« Reply #32 on: July 19, 2012, 10:58:39 am »

(Note about 2 lbs. of meat are missing - I guess self-explanatory, and I have yet to decipher the "technical" language, e.g. "Chili Grind" = course ground meat, "dump"= vat?, granules = bouillon? Huh ) :

I would speculate that the chicken and beef "granules" are, as you suggest, instant bouillon powder; the onion and garlic granules are simply dehydrated minced onion/garlic, available at any bulk-foods outlet; and a "dump" is obviously just a spice addition ie. "dump all this stuff together into the pot."

That recipe sounds like it might be interesting if I knew what to substitute for the not-available-outside-Texas brand-name chile powders.
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« Reply #33 on: July 19, 2012, 11:31:33 am »

(Note about 2 lbs. of meat are missing - I guess self-explanatory, and I have yet to decipher the "technical" language, e.g. "Chili Grind" = course ground meat, "dump"= vat?, granules = bouillon? Huh ) :

I would speculate that the chicken and beef "granules" are, as you suggest, instant bouillon powder; the onion and garlic granules are simply dehydrated minced onion/garlic, available at any bulk-foods outlet; and a "dump" is obviously just a spice addition ie. "dump all this stuff together into the pot."

That recipe sounds like it might be interesting if I knew what to substitute for the not-available-outside-Texas brand-name chile powders.

Honestly my approach would be to use what I have available locally.  The recipe is pretty straight forward.  Fat drippings, chile powder, cumin, paprika (just another another pepper), garlic and onion powder and beef plus chicken bouillon/stock.  All the "winning" recipes are almost identical.  

Unless you can find which pepper is being used in each powdered type.  In markets around the world you can get the chile powder by weight at the market.  In the advanced world we get it at stratospheric prices in small salt-shaker type containers  Embarrassed
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« Reply #34 on: July 22, 2012, 06:07:18 am »

Closest I've ever got to Terlingua is Wick Fowler's 2 alarm chili...Wink commercially available in the US. As I recall, at least in central Texas, we used something like stew meat, cubed, as the meat in chili. (Beef, naturally, except once it was venison, but that requires extra fat, since venison usually doesn't have any). Actually, the closest I've been to Terlingua is El Paso, my home town...Wink
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« Reply #35 on: July 22, 2012, 11:02:39 am »

Actually, the closest I've been to Terlingua is El Paso, my home town...Wink

Yeah — I think I got into Ohio and/or Pennsylvania once on a maple syrup producers' tour once, many many many years ago…
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« Reply #36 on: July 22, 2012, 11:22:59 am »

Actually, the closest I've been to Terlingua is El Paso, my home town...Wink


Yeah — I think I got into Ohio and/or Pennsylvania once on a maple syrup producers' tour once, many many many years ago…

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« Reply #37 on: July 23, 2012, 01:52:55 pm »

I once made chocolate brownies with the TINIEST bit of chilli in it, they were so very yummy...

Never made a chili sauce though, might have to have a go!
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« Reply #38 on: July 23, 2012, 04:25:12 pm »

I once made chocolate brownies with the TINIEST bit of chilli in it, they were so very yummy...

Never made a chili sauce though, might have to have a go!
 



I am not a huge fan of spicy foods. My insides just won't handle them any more. BUT! Recently I had some wonderful chili chocolates that a friend made. AMAZING!
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« Reply #39 on: July 24, 2012, 12:39:50 am »

I once made chocolate brownies with the TINIEST bit of chilli in it, they were so very yummy...

Never made a chili sauce though, might have to have a go!

Lady Ava, brownies with chili sounds great! I must try it. Chocolate is used with chiles in Mexican food in the form of mole (mo-lay). It's a sauce made of many kinds of chiles and unsweetened chocolate and takes days to make (or so I'm told) and your grandmother's mole was the best there ever was. One of the great things about living in Austin, Texas, is the spectacular Mexican food, and a plato grande of chicken mole can be had all over town.




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« Reply #40 on: July 24, 2012, 03:37:38 am »

I once made chocolate brownies with the TINIEST bit of chilli in it, they were so very yummy...

Never made a chili sauce though, might have to have a go!


Lady Ava, brownies with chili sounds great! I must try it. Chocolate is used with chiles in Mexican food in the form of mole (mo-lay). It's a sauce made of many kinds of chiles and unsweetened chocolate and takes days to make (or so I'm told) and your grandmother's mole was the best there ever was. One of the great things about living in Austin, Texas, is the spectacular Mexican food, and a plato grande of chicken mole can be had all over town.


Splendid mention, Mr. Squire!  Chiles and Chocolate indeed; Mole is another traditional Mexican sauce.  Some types of mole (many varieties are available) also have nuts and or various ground seeds; Green Mole, Red Mole, and there is a peanut based Mole!

"Mole Poblano" paired with chicken is probably the first authentic "high-cuisine" dish introduced from Mexico into the United States sometime in the 20th. C.

A Chicken in "Mole Poblano" recipe from http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/Chicken-in-Mole-Puebla-Style-238185#ixzz21VGt7BH4; Plenty of chile pepper varieties in the recipe:

Chicken in Mole

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Another recipe from a TV personality chef (and apparently someone who lived and studied in Mexico in his youth, like myself ), Rick Bayless:
http://www.rickbayless.com/recipe/view?recipeID=225
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And probably the second traditional high cuisine dish imported into the US in the late 20th. C (I saw it first in the US in the 1990's I'd say): Chiles Rellenos (Stuffed Chiles).

This one is really worth your effort, folks, as this is one dish everyone should have at least once in their lifetime.  The recipe can be varied but the correct way to prepare it is with chiles large enough to be stuffed, chiles that are sufficiently hot to force you to stop eating every couple of bytes, and sweet, savory and delicious enough to force you to pick that fork again and take another byte.  Again many varieties but the spirit is to roast (peel) the chiles, fill them with a meat, typically shredded pork, and cheese (never use yellow/Cheddar varieties!), and often a variety of nuts and raisins, then deep fried, and lastly baked in a tomato sauce, not unlike baking a lasagna!!!  It does take forever to make!

A simpler chicken-based recipe from Rick Bayless as well at http://mexican.food.com/recipe/chiles-rellenos-in-tomato-broth-56452?oc=linkback :

Chiles Rellenos (stuffed Chiles)

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« Reply #41 on: July 26, 2012, 03:59:02 am »

I LOVE both of these dishes, J. Wilhelm.  There is a Mexican restaurant w/i walking distance from my apt that serves GREAT mole.  Thank you for posting.
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« Reply #42 on: July 26, 2012, 08:52:23 am »

I LOVE both of these dishes, J. Wilhelm.  There is a Mexican restaurant w/i walking distance from my apt that serves GREAT mole.  Thank you for posting.

Well if you’re really lazy like me, you’ll buy a jar of Mole in the supermarket  Grin
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« Reply #43 on: July 26, 2012, 09:28:31 am »

And probably the second traditional high cuisine dish imported into the US in the late 20th. C (I saw it first in the US in the 1990's I'd say): Chiles Rellenos (Stuffed Chiles).

As I understand it, Monterey Jack (used in the above Chiles Rellenos recipe, is a Californian "Cheddar substitute" cheese. Is there a more authentic Mexican (or other Latin American) cheese I could look for? (I know there's a Latin American grocery store in The Deforested City, just down the street from the Shriners' Mocha Temple…)

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« Reply #44 on: July 26, 2012, 10:42:36 am »

And probably the second traditional high cuisine dish imported into the US in the late 20th. C (I saw it first in the US in the 1990's I'd say): Chiles Rellenos (Stuffed Chiles).


As I understand it, Monterey Jack (used in the above Chiles Rellenos recipe, is a Californian "Cheddar substitute" cheese. Is there a more authentic Mexican (or other Latin American) cheese I could look for? (I know there's a Latin American grocery store in The Deforested City, just down the street from the Shriners' Mocha Temple…)

(And now any Shriners on BG will be able to identify The Deforested City exactly!)


Indeed there is!  Monterey Jack may be American, but being developed by Mexican Franciscan Friars in California it is a full derivative of the Mexican version of Manchego Cheese.  In Mexico Manchego is a Colby type cheese, cow-milk based and in Spain Manchego is very different and sheep-milk based, much more pungent and more solid, as a result of aging.

The flavour of Monterrey Jack is very similar to Mexican Manchego but the Mexican version is considerably more solid, a tad yellow, more buttery and less creamy; loosely related in flavour to the family of string cheeses, of which many worldwide varieties would make a good choice; for a Mexican string cheese example you have "Oaxaca Cheese" which basically is a tad more salty and quite chewy, and consists of a string of cheese rolled into a ball (all string cheeses in the world give me the impression of being very similar in taste and texture so take your pick, but you will need to compensate for the extra salt content in string cheese).

While not my preference, on top of the tomato sauce, you could conceivably garnish (and even stuff) with Queso Fresco ("Fresh Cheese"), a salty white wet curd similar to cottage cheese, and get creative if you use pungent herbs together with the cheese, maybe as a way to take a "rest" from the intense heat of the chili pepper!

The correct pepper type to use is a Poblano pepper http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poblano
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« Reply #45 on: July 26, 2012, 07:59:20 pm »

We grow our own chillies - usually a hot chilli called Apache and long thin Thai type chillis. Mmy wife also makes an amazing chilli jam.

For anyone in the Dorset (Wimborne) area on the weekend of the 4th/5th August look up the Dorset Chilli Festival  Smiley
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« Reply #46 on: July 26, 2012, 10:20:54 pm »

So yesterday I accidentally had some of the hottest chilli sauce in the world. I was babysitting and one of the ones that went and got our pizza for dinner got this 'Pizza Roulette' promotional thing, which puts some of this chilli on one slice of a pizza (he did it for all 3 pizzas) and I didn't know, so I got hit on my 2nd slice...

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/03/13/play-at-your-own-risk-hell-pizzas-scorching-pizza-roulette/
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« Reply #47 on: July 27, 2012, 07:38:25 am »

So yesterday I accidentally had some of the hottest chilli sauce in the world. I was babysitting and one of the ones that went and got our pizza for dinner got this 'Pizza Roulette' promotional thing, which puts some of this chilli on one slice of a pizza (he did it for all 3 pizzas) and I didn't know, so I got hit on my 2nd slice...

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/03/13/play-at-your-own-risk-hell-pizzas-scorching-pizza-roulette/


I imagine you get the pizza for free...  Not bad if you can stand it.   A restaurant chain called "Hell Pizza" ? (And they sell churros!) Cheesy  Sounds evil.  This is not a chain but in the "Sixth St." area in Austin we have "Hoek's Pizza" (yes as in Ren Hoek) where you can chomp down pizza to the tune of heavy metal music so you can complete the ambiance. http://hoeksdeathmetalpizza.com/

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