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« Reply #50 on: March 30, 2012, 04:17:02 pm » |
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I think I might be forced to agree with that if you had the contents of the still to hand.
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« Reply #51 on: March 30, 2012, 04:22:06 pm » |
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Since reading that site, I am definitely going to buy a large bottle but I will be using it exclusively for cleaning unless the products of that still are available.
Coca cola has to go on my banqueting list just because it is a brand and it was probably available at the time in the UK, I wonder from what date?
PS. I am not particularly precious about any drink other than Brakspears and they have already adulterated that... Coca cola supporters can be quite tribal I have heard. So, back on topic, what Victorian food brands are still extant?
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« Reply #52 on: March 30, 2012, 04:28:15 pm » |
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J Collis Browne's mixture, still contains morphine to this day so will be better suited to dealing with the cramps brought on by eating too much of all this stuff, if the fizzy drinks don't relieve the symptoms, the liver salts don't work then it is straight onto the Collis Browne's...
Used to be Dr. Collis Browne's but he got struck off.
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« Reply #53 on: March 30, 2012, 04:29:16 pm » |
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The only good thing to do with carbonated dark drinks is to mix it with "cooking" Burbon from the "old number 7 still"!
I'll have to agree with that.
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« Reply #54 on: March 30, 2012, 04:30:39 pm » |
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Henderson's Relish - a vegan alternative to 'wooster' sauce
Oh god yes. That is wonderful stuff (then again being from Sheffield I may be slightly biased)
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"DON'T THINK OF IT AS DYING, JUST THINK OF IT AS LEAVING EARLY TO AVOID THE RUSH."
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« Reply #55 on: March 30, 2012, 04:35:41 pm » |
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Hendersons' - I've never tried it but I imagine it is good on Shepherd's pie...
I must add the specific Mcvities biscuits already mentioned in a previous post, Digestives and Rich Tea biscuits, unfortunately no jaffa cakes nor jammy dodgers.
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« Reply #56 on: March 30, 2012, 04:45:46 pm » |
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You know that stuff on serving drinks cold, sugared and carbonated, well I used to work for Bass Brewers and Mars Confectionery. Whilst there I learnt the methods for disguising a poor quality ingredient in a drink. Serving cold is the first, as cold as possible, note a recent trend for sub-zero lagers. In the UK the process of reducing the quality and disguising the flavour was explained to me as being "creating appropriate quality for the market". Hmmm. A lot of the brands we have previously mentioned are equally guilty of that, Walls for instance. Oh well, I digress.
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« Reply #57 on: March 30, 2012, 04:52:59 pm » |
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Brown and Poulson's cornflour Borwick's baking powder
How about Fentiman's ginger beer? 1905 - does that count?
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« Reply #58 on: March 30, 2012, 04:56:03 pm » |
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Suchard chocolate Atora beef suet - so we can have a good beef pudding or a summer fruit pudding
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« Reply #59 on: March 30, 2012, 04:58:37 pm » |
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That stuff about drinking water. I've just realised the Victorians drank buckets of the bottled stuff but really only as a medicinal aid to digestion. Taking the waters was a cure rather than an enjoyment, anyone tried Harrogate water?
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« Reply #60 on: March 30, 2012, 05:03:37 pm » |
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Walkers Shortbread, can't do without shortbread to go with the tea. Any old brands of coffee that you know of?
That's me done for the day... I'll draw up a complete list later.
Any more for any more?
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« Reply #61 on: March 30, 2012, 05:31:15 pm » |
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Geo. Watkins Mushroom Relish est.1830 HP Sauce 1895 Sharwoods Mango Chutney est 1889
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« Reply #62 on: March 30, 2012, 06:13:26 pm » |
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lovely stuff - we already have the HP (Gunsons) sauce but the other stuff makes it on the list
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« Reply #63 on: March 30, 2012, 06:42:19 pm » |
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Warburtons bread Holland's Pies Dickinson and Morris 1851 (maker of Melton Mowbray pork pies) Sarson's vinegar 1794 Sharwood's chutney 1889 Cerebos Salt Paxo stuffing (1901) Hartley's jams 1871 Frank Cooper's 1874 Haywards pickles 1868
The more I dig into this I realise that a large portion of Britain's well-known brands have been about since the end of the 19th century... us Brits are still a Victorian nation.
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« Reply #64 on: March 30, 2012, 07:46:03 pm » |
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Actually, I know people from parts the southern US who have family recipes for Coca-Cola-glazed ham. Many people think this is some sort of modern Iron Chef routine, but it apparently goes back about a century. It makes a certain amount of sense, given that ham often goes well with a mix of sweet and acid, although I personally tend to rely on apples in this regard.
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« Reply #65 on: March 30, 2012, 08:29:34 pm » |
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I am thinking of using the cola for both cooking and tanning. Iron chef - what's that?
Here is the UK list so far, this will comprise the steampunk banquet:
Colman's Mustard - 1814 McVitie's Biscuits - 1830 Digestives and Rich Tea biscuits Robertson's Marmalade - 1864 Twinings Tea - 1706 Pontefract cakes - ~1760 - unsure whether this is actually a 'brand' so lets just say Bassetts (1842) Andrews Liver Salts - 1894 Warburtons bread - 1876 John West tinned salmon, mackerel and sardines 1857 Crosse and Blackwell chutneys and picallili 1706 Walls sausages and bacon - 1786 Walls pork pies 1786 R Whites lemonade - 1894 Idris ginger beer - 1873 Idris fizzy cream soda Idris dandelion and baldock Fyffe's bananas 1878 Taylor's of Harrogate tea and coffee (1886) Irn Bru - 1901 under the name Strachan's Brew Holland's Pies 1854 Dickinson and Morris 1851 (maker of Melton Mowbray pork pies) Sarson's vinegar 1794 Sharwood's chutney 1889 Cerebos Salt 1894 Paxo stuffing (1901) Hartley's jams 1871 Frank Cooper's 1874 Haywards pickles 1868 Geo. Watkins Mushroom Relish est.1830 HP Sauce 1895 Sharwoods Mango Chutney est 1889 Walkers Shortbread 1898 Suchard chocolate 1826 Atora beef suet 1893 Brown and Poulson's cornflour 1865 Borwick's baking powder 1895 Fentiman's ginger beer 1905 Coca cola 1900 (UK) Robinson's barley water 1830 Rose's lime juice 1867 Scott's Porage Oats 1880 Perrier water 1898 Schweppes tonic 1771 Schweppes ginger ale (1870) jacobs cream crackers 1885 oxo 1899 Carrs water biscuits 1841 Cadbury's cocoa 1824 Tate & lyle sugar 1877 Tate & lyle ssyrup Tate & lyle streacle Birds custard 1837 Bovril 1870 golden shred marmalade 1864 garabaldi biscuits 1861 Patum Peperium 1828 Fray Bentos corned beef 1899 nestles condensed milk 1867 typhoo tea 1903 camp coffee 1876 huntley and palmers nice biscuits 1895 Shippams meat pastes 1896 rowntrees pastilles 1881 heinz beans 1886 (UK)
It will be fun to eat and filling though not particularly healthy, thank goodness for Ffyfe's bananas.
None of these are particularly obscure brands and the majority will be in most UK cupboards, not perhaps patum paperium, although it is in my cupboard. I even have the Shippams crab paste, the only one I eat and enjoy. I can admit I have never drunk "Irn Bru" in my life. I am going shopping and may take my camera with me to show the result. I'll see if I can get it all in glass or tin but no plastic whatsoever!
Anyone fancy making a US list?
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« Reply #66 on: March 30, 2012, 09:17:46 pm » |
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Irn Bru does come in 750ml glass bottles.
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« Reply #67 on: March 30, 2012, 09:47:20 pm » |
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The chocolate candy called "Smarties" in Canada and the UK (the States don't seem to have them) have been around since at least 1882 but was formerly known as "Chocolate Beans". No beans involved though so they were forced to change their name just before WW!!.
And Kellogg's Corn Flakes have been around since 1896.
Hmm. We seem to have a lot of tinned food here (which isn't surprising since of course there aren't really "brands" for fresh food like beef and eggs and things like that). Might be fun to see if I can track down some varieties of apples etc dating from the period that are still commonly available, maybe see when the dairies that supply the two brands I can get locally date from.
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« Reply #68 on: March 30, 2012, 09:57:33 pm » |
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Had a quick look in my fridge:
Freybe (liver sausage; they're a company that sells packaged meats: various sausages, bacon, things like that): 1844
Heinz Tomato Ketchup: 1869
Lucerne (coffee cream, a nice thick 18% milk fat): 1904, which I feel is close enough for my area, ha ha.
I believe Rose's has been mentioned, but if not, my lime marmalade jar says 1865 on it.
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« Reply #69 on: March 30, 2012, 10:01:50 pm » |
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The chocolate candy called "Smarties" in Canada and the UK (the States don't seem to have them) have been around since at least 1882 but was formerly known as "Chocolate Beans". No beans involved though so they were forced to change their name just before WW!!.
That's why Irn Bru had to change their spelling, they never brewed it and decided to change the spelling of both parts. It had picked up the name of Iron Brew due to its links with the steel and iron works. Jesmona Black Bullets are from 1906, they are spherical black mint sweets. It was said that they were popular with the miners since the soot didn't show up.
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Erbswurst. Pea soup stock, originally invented for the Imperial German army.
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« Reply #71 on: March 30, 2012, 11:47:04 pm » |
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Hmm.. Samworth Brothers Melton Mowbray pork pies - 1896 Harrington Cheese's Stilton (and Derbyshire) -- 1720 Eccles cakes (first made commercially in Eccles in 1793) (great-grandad worked in Eccles for a bit) Bakewell tarts -1820.. Lea and Perrins Worcestershire Sauce - 1839
and quite a few more "traditional" foods, methinks could make the ...
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« Reply #72 on: March 30, 2012, 11:49:55 pm » |
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@Kryss LaBryn - Kellogs introduced to the UK in 1924 unfortunately, Cadbury smarties 1937
Heinz tomato ketchup 1886 - so fine, its on list.
Lucerne coffee cream, not heard of it here, same with Freybe unless someone knows better, looks like we need a Canadian list too.
The lime stuff, we Limeys are good at making stuff like that for known reasons, it goes back a long way.
Jesmona Black Bullets - I'll add them to the list though I doubt I'll be able to get hold of any.
@elShoggotho - and a German list?
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« Reply #73 on: March 30, 2012, 11:55:38 pm » |
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@HAC
Samworth Brothers Melton Mowbray pork pies - 1896 - I think they were pork sellers until the 20th century and may not have been making pies until the mid 20th C. Harrington Cheese's Stilton (and Derbyshire) -- 1720 How could I forget cheese?!! Good one. There must be other brands.
Eccles cakes - We need a brand for the Eccles cakes, as they are a little too generic, just a type of food. A baker, a maker... do we know one that has been baking for over a hundred years, I bet there are a few but do they have a name? Bakewell tarts -1820.., same again, made by who? Can't be Mr. Kipling as they have only been going since the 60s.
Lea and Perrins Worcestershire Sauce - 1839 - we have the 'wooster' sauce on the list.
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« Reply #74 on: March 30, 2012, 11:59:12 pm » |
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Of course, not all of these products are in their original form, sadly.
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