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Author Topic: Victorian food brands still extant  (Read 17019 times)
Angus A Fitziron
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« Reply #425 on: September 11, 2012, 10:26:56 am »

The Belgians have Brussels sprouts and Belgian endive. Both tipical Belgium, but no specific date attached.
I could look into the many cheeses the European countries have, but many pre-dates the Victorian Era.


...and they both belong on my list as they are not 'brands' as such - Mwhaaa - haaaa - haaaa


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« Reply #426 on: September 11, 2012, 01:34:59 pm »

Evil Angus - always taking and never giving...  Wink

Some of the Belgian beers may technically be British... except for the water. After the first World War the Belgians lost a lot of their yeasts due to being the hosts for a large part of the war. To restart production after the conflict, beers like Duvel used bottles of British beer, notably IPAs as their 'starter' for fermentation. So being fundamentally British yeast, the Empire may lay claim to some of those... (except for Orval of course which you can keep, once you've breathed the Brussels air you'd rather not drink anything fermented in it)
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« Reply #427 on: September 11, 2012, 04:01:05 pm »

Evil Angus - always taking and never giving...  Wink

Some of the Belgian beers may technically be British... except for the water. #SNIP#

Ah, but there's the difference. How much of a Belgian beer is water and how much is yeast? I rest my case.  Wink
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« Reply #428 on: September 11, 2012, 06:55:07 pm »

You try drinking the water without the yeast... we eat the yeast all the time and it is lovely.

You can have Belgian Water.
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« Reply #429 on: September 12, 2012, 02:49:13 pm »

You try drinking the water without the yeast... we eat the yeast all the time and it is lovely.

You can have Belgian Water.

I could, but Spa mineral water is pre-victorian. I think it was end 1600s.  Undecided
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« Reply #430 on: September 12, 2012, 03:12:01 pm »

Without going back to the beginning of this thread a checking - isn't the important thing that the brand was available and was as recognisable to Victorians as it is to us today? It does not matter if it was first produced in the Victorian era or several centuries before, though I suspect for Spa water, if the bottle is part of the branding we may have a problem...

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« Reply #431 on: September 12, 2012, 03:29:25 pm »

yahooo! We've got water!
Spa was available before, during and after the Victorian Era. Also, it was recognisable during the victorian era.
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« Reply #432 on: September 13, 2012, 09:44:12 am »

We don't have water... just a lot of fizzy drinks and Buckfast Tonic Wine.

The Benedictine monks at Buckfast Abbey first made the tonic wine in the 1890s. It was originally sold in small quantities as a medicine using the slogan "Three small glasses a day, for good health and lively blood".
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« Reply #433 on: September 13, 2012, 12:19:05 pm »

All this talk about water...  WHICH reminds me of the Mexican list!  I just found this other item:

Topo Chico Sparkling Mineral Water (Originally bottled by "Fábrica de Aguas Minerales de Topo Chico" it was established in 1895, City of Monterrey, State of Nuevo Leon, Mexico)

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Topo Chico is a brand of sparkling mineral water sourced and bottled in Monterrey, Mexico. The product has been bottled since 1895[citation needed] and is sold in Northern Mexico and in several cities within the United States. Topo Chico is available mainly in 12 fl oz glass bottles, and 20 and 1.5 fl oz PET bottles. Topo Chico is available also in lime flavor in the US market.
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The brand first appeared in 1895 when the “Fábrica de Aguas Minerales de Topo Chico,” was established outside of Monterrey, Mexico, just beneath the mountain that bears the same name (Topo Chico). At the base of this mountain reside the springs where Topo Chico has always been sourced.

Approximately six years after it opened, the “Gran Fábrica de Aguas Minerales de San Bernabé” was established next to the spring, and in 1908, both companies merged to form what is known today as Compañía Topo Chico, S.A. Under the leadership of Manuel L. Barragán, the company managed to navigate the business climate following the Mexican Revolutionary war and become one of the largest and most respected beverage bottlers in the country. In 1926, the company became the first Coca-Cola bottler in Mexico when it was awarded the franchise for this globally recognized brand.

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« Reply #434 on: September 13, 2012, 12:23:21 pm »

Arguably you might be able to add that to the US list, most likely sold in those parts of the US close to Mexico.
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« Reply #435 on: September 13, 2012, 12:27:58 pm »

Malvern bottled water has been in production since the 1622, the water is a natural spring water from hills of hard granite and limestone rock. Schweppes bottled and sold it as Malvern Soda, later renaming it Malvern Seltzer Water in 1856. Coca Cola bought Schweppes and closed down production in 2010 - another reason to avoid drinking the 'vile syrup'.
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« Reply #436 on: September 13, 2012, 12:34:16 pm »

Arguably you might be able to add that to the US list, most likely sold in those parts of the US close to Mexico.
Unfortunately it did not come to the US until 1987, aimed at the migrant worker market...
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« Reply #437 on: September 13, 2012, 12:37:01 pm »

Luckily 'Malvern' water is still bottled today by smaller bodies, it is the only bottled water used by Queen Elizabeth II, which she takes on her travels around the world... not a bad endorsement. But the 'Malvern water' brand is lost to my list.
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« Reply #438 on: September 13, 2012, 12:44:25 pm »

Now, as there is no denying there was an empire and we owned it, the former colonies were deemed to be British possessions, as in - they were ours...or we certainly considered it to be the case. A lot of brands came from our overseas possessions so we can probably lay claim to a lot of stuff, brands and such, from around the world. It is a debatable point as to whether some of these brands actually arrived on these emerald shores though many average Englishman would have been aware of them as a great many of them would be drinking them on a foreign though Imperial shore. Remember that many countries were 'British' in a sense that they had not always developed a distinct national identity, rather more of a regional but British identity. So, here we go: The world’s oldest bottled water company, Waiwera Infinity, first bottled in 1875, Waiwera water was available four years before France’s Evian water was sold. Certainly it can go on the NZ and southern colonies list. If not on the UK list, then it can go on the list of brands that are available to subjects of the Empire. With my airship I can certainly go and get some.


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« Reply #439 on: September 13, 2012, 12:53:05 pm »

We have not listed Evian yet have we?  Sorry  Grin I did!

Well, we have sparkling water on all sides then!  There must be some made up-legend regarding the curitave powers of these spring waters....  In this case for Topo Chico Mineral Water, none other than the daughter of Moctezuma I falling ill and miraculously being cured by the water from this source (never mind that Monterrey is far from the geographic centre of the Aztec empire, but if servants could race the mountains and jungles to bring fresh fish from the coast, I guess sending another few hundred servants for spring water was possible).
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« Reply #440 on: September 13, 2012, 01:18:47 pm »

If you have had an accidental overdose of fluorides or aluminium then drinking mineral waters over a period of time will remove these toxins from the body. If you regularly drink from aluminium cans of the vile syrup or similar goo and use aluminium pots/pans for your cooking then you may have a surplus of aluminium (ahl-oo-min-ee-um) in your body. Mineral waters will purge this. Ah, I spy another reason not to drink the vile syrup.
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« Reply #441 on: September 13, 2012, 01:27:35 pm »

#SNIP#




I've seen empty bottles that look like this, in a hospital.  Some of them filled with a yellow liquid. Undecided

You can get an overdose of alumininininniinum cans?
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« Reply #442 on: September 13, 2012, 05:32:20 pm »

You can get an overdose of alumininininniinum cans?

For what it's worth, the link between Alzheimer's Disease and dietary aluminimum has been discounted.

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« Reply #443 on: September 13, 2012, 05:42:53 pm »

Perrier Water 1898ish
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« Reply #444 on: September 13, 2012, 09:03:41 pm »

Some aluminium was spilt into the water supply in a UK town in the late 60s. Mineral water was diagnosed as a long term cure. Also, I need reasons to avoid the vile syrup, please don't remove them from me....
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« Reply #445 on: September 14, 2012, 01:42:18 am »

Don't worry, Bert; I'm sure that by this time next week alunimum will be a health hazard again. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #446 on: September 14, 2012, 07:03:46 am »

If you have had an accidental overdose of fluorides or aluminium then drinking mineral waters over a period of time will remove these toxins from the body. If you regularly drink from aluminium cans of the vile syrup or similar goo and use aluminium pots/pans for your cooking then you may have a surplus of aluminium (ahl-oo-min-ee-um) in your body. Mineral waters will purge this. Ah, I spy another reason not to drink the vile syrup.

I always drink my vile syrup from 2-litre plastic bottles or small glass bottles (because it's "retro" and "trendy" nowadays)  Cheesy
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« Reply #447 on: September 14, 2012, 08:47:18 am »

The European list (UK excluded)

nestles condensed milk (Switzerland 1866)
De Ruijter (Netherlands 1860)
Duvel (Belgium 1871)
Perrier water (France 1898)
Knorr (Germany 1838)
Maggi (Switzerland 1872: A Nestlé brand)
Bertolli (Italy 1865)
Bières de Chimay (Belgium 1863) Trappist Beer
Westmalle (Belgium 1836) Trappist Beer
St Sixtus (Belgium 1838) Trappist Beer
Koningshoeven/La Trappe (Netherlands 1884) Trappist Beer
Spa Water (Belgium sometime in 1600s)
Perrier Water (France 1898)
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« Reply #448 on: September 14, 2012, 11:52:32 am »

I think we have Carrs water biscuits on the list? I am sure we do. Based upon a refined version of the hard tack biscuits served to British sailors pre WWII they are actually quite tasty. Been around for over 175 years. They are one of the reasons we are known as limeys... Eating too much of them with little else in the way of veg/fruit leads to a vitamin deficiency causing scurvy in sailors, eliminated by sucking on limes.

I don't if any here have tried the original hard -tack biscuits? Serving suggestion - crush with a rifle butt.

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« Reply #449 on: September 14, 2012, 12:01:01 pm »

Wilkin & Sons Limited, 1885 makes preserves, marmalades. The company has continuously held a Royal Warrant for preserves and marmalades since 1911. All good stuff and very edible indeed.

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