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Author Topic: Victorian food brands still extant  (Read 199118 times)
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« Reply #1550 on: August 16, 2020, 01:25:45 pm »

Well, as you know, we have no accents, which makes it all a lot easier.

So, CHI-POHT-LEE with the slight emphasis on the POHT and the LEE left dangling?. I would never have guessed that. My family were saying chi-poht-lay with the emphasis on the LAY..
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« Reply #1551 on: August 16, 2020, 08:11:36 pm »

Well, as you know, we have no accents, which makes it all a lot easier.

So, CHI-POHT-LEE with the slight emphasis on the POHT and the LEE left dangling?. I would never have guessed that. My family were saying chi-poht-lay with the emphasis on the LAY..

Quite normal accent for English speakers, regardless of origin, whether you speak with a Texas accent or in received pronunciation when speaking Spanish, and also French, I might add. Inadvertently an extra vowel will be appended to a dangling one and even a consonant. Amigo, becomes amigou, Tamal is mis-spelled as "Tamale" and pronounced Tom-ah-lay, rolling the last vowel upward (or "Tom-alley" if you're Texan). The thing to remember is that in Spanish, vowels only have one sound per vowel, and it always sounds the same way, regardless of spelling.

Over time those spelling and pronunciation faults become incorporated permanently in English, and become English words in their own right. "Tomalley Cakes" would eventually have become canon in Texas were it not for the Spanish speaking population and modern hipsters.  Cheesy
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« Reply #1552 on: September 05, 2020, 01:28:44 am »

I'm going out on a limb here, to the detriment of my honour, standing in the community et cetetra.

UK/Empire:-

Clark's Pies Est. 1909
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« Reply #1553 on: September 05, 2020, 07:57:27 am »

I'm going out on a limb here, to the detriment of my honour, standing in the community et cetetra.

UK/Empire:-

Clark's Pies Est. 1909

Our list also has a few questionable reputation entries. On one occasion I did put my foot down and banned the entry (fake ice cream). You can choose to censure the brand. Or there is always use the excuse that 1909 is slightly off the Victorian Era.
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« Reply #1554 on: September 05, 2020, 03:41:30 pm »

Depends which timeline you are discussing. There is the timeline where the Victorian discovery of the sub-ether device allowed some significant slowing down of time. The subsequent time bubbles erected by Queen Victoria around both Buckingham and Holyrood Palaces and Osborne House after the death of Prince Albert allowed Victoria's reign to extend to a point somewhere beyond 2240, though no-one is really quite sure. The loss of that particular technology after the 'great Clarke's Pies upheaval' resulted in the collapse of the perpetual time bubbles, the final end of the Victorian era and the fuzzing of time from which we all now suffer.
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« Reply #1555 on: September 05, 2020, 03:59:34 pm »

Depends which timeline you are discussing. There is the timeline where the Victorian discovery of the sub-ether device allowed some significant slowing down of time. The subsequent time bubbles erected by Queen Victoria around both Buckingham and Holyrood Palaces and Osborne House after the death of Prince Albert allowed Victoria's reign to extend to a point somewhere beyond 2240, though no-one is really quite sure. The loss of that particular technology after the 'great Clarke's Pies upheaval' resulted in the collapse of the perpetual time bubbles, the final end of the Victorian era and the fuzzing of time from which we all now suffer.


Starting to sound like a Girl Genius plot line....
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« Reply #1556 on: September 06, 2020, 07:15:16 pm »

I am unfamiliar with girl genius (no need to inform me) and I was just reading all that from a book that dropped into my lap from a short visit to that CERN thing - more here https://reactos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=19686
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« Reply #1557 on: September 07, 2020, 07:20:40 am »

I am unfamiliar with girl genius (no need to inform me) and I was just reading all that from a book that dropped into my lap from a short visit to that CERN thing - more here https://reactos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=19686

Most Steampunk, at least on this side of the Atlantic already know what Girl Genius is. Anyhow, back on topic, there are a few Victorian brands that were skipped and others included but with "censure" due to quality problems, authenticity, etc.

I'm thinking we need to carefully check these pages and write down the lists in time for the migration to the new Brassgoggles.co.uk forum. We might as well start now.
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« Reply #1558 on: September 07, 2020, 07:59:57 pm »

I have the UK list. A new brassgoggles?  I missed that.
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« Reply #1559 on: September 07, 2020, 08:02:04 pm »

I have the UK list. A new brassgoggles?  I missed that.

Me too... What is going on??
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« Reply #1560 on: September 07, 2020, 09:43:30 pm »

I have the UK list. A new brassgoggles?  I missed that.


Me too... What is going on??

He's referring to this Engine Room thread. Not to worry; if all goes well, we shouldn't lose anything except maybe the colour scheme. (I am taking the precaution of hunting down and saving some of my better posts, though.)
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« Reply #1561 on: September 07, 2020, 10:10:44 pm »

I have the UK list. A new brassgoggles?  I missed that.

 Roll Eyes I can't blame Caledonian, because she wasn't here, but you were, Uncle Bert. Your attendance is requested at the Engine Room.
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« Reply #1562 on: September 13, 2020, 06:17:27 am »

UK/Empire list:-

Boothes (Provisoners) since 1847?
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« Reply #1563 on: October 08, 2020, 08:04:50 pm »

UK/Empire list:-

(yet more booze) Wells & co. 1876
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« Reply #1564 on: October 21, 2020, 03:15:58 pm »

UK/Empire list:-

McLelland Cheese Est. 1850


My mistake, this product has been mentioned/listed earlier.  Embarrassed
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« Reply #1565 on: October 24, 2020, 02:15:50 am »

A suprise entry for the US List;-

Fugetsu-Do (US-Japanese Sweetie Maker) Est 1903

Fugetsu-Do (family history)
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« Reply #1566 on: November 01, 2020, 09:05:33 pm »

UK/Empire list:-

RB Woodall (butchers/delicatessen) Est. 1828
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« Reply #1567 on: November 02, 2020, 12:05:28 am »


Wonderful story too!! Thank you for sharing! I need to go through the effort of com[piling the entries again into a single list! We're getting close to the December deadline for the shutdown of the forum.
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« Reply #1568 on: November 11, 2020, 05:22:44 am »


Wonderful story too!! Thank you for sharing! I need to go through the effort of com[piling the entries again into a single list! We're getting close to the December deadline for the shutdown of the forum.

Is is still worth posting more products/companies here then?
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« Reply #1569 on: November 11, 2020, 06:37:16 am »


Wonderful story too!! Thank you for sharing! I need to go through the effort of com[piling the entries again into a single list! We're getting close to the December deadline for the shutdown of the forum.

Is is still worth posting more products/companies here then?

Always. I've just neglected this thread lately. You know, covid and stuff.
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« Reply #1570 on: November 12, 2020, 02:31:39 am »

UK/Empire list:-

McDougalls Flour Est.1875
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« Reply #1571 on: November 17, 2020, 10:30:13 am »

In case it hasn't been mentioned before - http://foodtimeline.org/
This might be helpful in tracking down Victorian food and related brands.

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« Reply #1572 on: November 24, 2020, 05:49:38 am »

In case it hasn't been mentioned before - http://foodtimeline.org/
This might be helpful in tracking down Victorian food and related brands.

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Many, many thanks for that list.  Grin
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« Reply #1573 on: November 24, 2020, 07:27:34 am »

One of the things I don't like about that time-line is that it ignores the usage of new world foods in Europe and instead gives the United States time of arrival (eg tomatoes). Tomatoes were consumed in southern Europe much earlier than in the US. Arguably it was Italian migrants who taught the American people to eat tomatoes and zucchini (courgets). Those two foods were continuously consumed in their native Mexico for thousands of years through 500 years of conquest and Spanish colonization.

By the way, I got a Mexican historian on Twitter looking at these lists. She is in the habit of researching historical brands that are still sold in Mexican supermarkets. Among them Victorian Era brands imported into Mexico or native to Mexico. I already got one entry on page 61 from her posts on Twitter (Clemente Jacques a canned produce brand founded by a French migrant in Mexico). Hopefully she can help me complete the Mexican list and shed some light on the nature of European and American food imports into Mexico in the 19th century.
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« Reply #1574 on: November 24, 2020, 11:29:18 am »

Very good! Sorry I'm not active here much, rather busy with life. However, I am busily eating all these brands on a daily basis.
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