Victorian food brands still extant

[Mercury Wells]

Question is:- Will Uncle Bert allow it to be included?

[J. Wilhelm]

Question is:- Will Uncle Bert allow it to be included?

We'll see.


If I was judging a brand for the US list, and if the cheese in the 1970s iteration of the cheese was made in the same way as in the original farm during the late 1800s when production was stopped, then that seems to pass the "preparation /ingredients requirement. If the name of the cheese being marketed and the concern (corporation, company, or whichever fiscal entity) is at least related (purchased, inherited, etc.) by the 1970s company, then it would pass the brand name requirement. Because in the end people in Victorian times would have to have known the product by the same name as the buyer in the 1970s-present. Otherwise it's just someone stealing a brand name from antiquity to use in a different product.

That is why I rejected Fleishmann's Butter from the US list - it's just a purchased name with no connection to the original product! Similarly Breyer's was rejected from the list because it doesn't meet the US government criteria for Ice Cream. It has too many substituted ingredients not used in the original product, and so the government insists Breyer's be called a "frozen dessert." Now you know it's got to be pretty far away from being ice cream if the US government will not allow corporations to use the name!

[Mercury Wells]

Mr Wilhelm.

Another one for your list...

Stroh Brewery Company 1850 (owned & marketed By Pabst in the US,  except in Canada where the Stroh brands are owned by Sleeman Brewery 1834.

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One for the Euro list Which I should get 'round to doing,  & yes I'll be accepting both food & booze:-

Aass Brewery 1834

For the UK/Empire:-

Not sure about this one:- Sleeman Brewery 1834 ?

"The family tradition was passed down from generation to generation. That is, until Sleeman lost its license to brew in 1933 as a result of smuggling beer during prohibition. The Sleeman family was banned from brewing or selling beer for 50 years."

(Taken from their Website)

[Mercury Wells]

Bonds of London (sweets) 1895.

[Mercury Wells]

Just making a start on the Euro list


Argentina:-
Bodega Catena Zapata (wines) 1902
Bulgaria:-
Zagorka Beer 1902]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zagorka]Zagorka Beer 1902
Italy:-
Ferrari Trento (wines) 1902
US:-
Sunshine Biscuits 1902?
Ireland:-
Lyons Tea 1902
Lithuania:-
Kalnapilis Brewery 1902

[Will Howard]

I have eaten the US "Government Cheese".  It is not horrid, actually quite acceptable on a grilled cheese sandwich or in cooking, but not super tasty on its own.

[J. Wilhelm]

Just making a start on the Euro list


Argentina:-
Bodega Catena Zapata (wines) 1902
Bulgaria:-
Zagorka Beer 1902]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zagorka]Zagorka Beer 1902
Italy:-
Ferrari Trento (wines) 1902
US:-
Sunshine Biscuits 1902?
Ireland:-
Lyons Tea 1902
Lithuania:-
Kalnapilis Brewery 1902

I need to educate myself a bit more on Argentinean history. I know that massive waves of Italian and German migrants came toward the end of the 19th century, and like the French and Italians in Mexico they went mostly into food businesses. I imagine the Italians are responsible for Argentinean and Chilean wines, taking advantage of the dry plains (Pampas) and perhaps the dry mountain sides.

Sunshine can enter the roster if we could find a product that was made by them since the turn of the 19th century. The brand is commonly available nationwide and tied to cheese flavored (real cheese) crackers you can find in any kid's lunchbox, but the crackers only date back to the 1920s. They're Dieselpunk crackers.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheez-It

Sunshine used to make Animal Crackers which are old enough, but Nabisco's PT Barnum crackers took their place instead. The other alternative is Krispy Saltine Crackers which should technically be old enough, but I can't find corroborating information on Wiki.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saltine_cracker

[Mercury Wells]

UK/Empire list:- Emmett's Ham 1820

[yereverluvinunclebert]

First class, I live not far from there. I am making a pilgrimage.

[Mercury Wells]

US list:-
Durkee foods 1851

[Banfili]

Don't know if these are up already: Arnott's Biscuits, Founder: William Arnott Founded: 1865 Headquarters: Sydney. Not in original hands, alas!
Arnott's Biscuits Limited is Australia's largest producer of biscuits and the second-largest supplier of snack food. American private equity firm Kohlberg Kravis Roberts is buying Arnott's from the Campbell Soup Company.

[Mercury Wells]

I think they are. If they're aren't, they'll be added soon & ty for the heads up.  

[edit] Yep they're all-ready on page 34 of the list [/edit]

[J. Wilhelm]

US list:-
Durkee foods 1851

Thank you Mr. Wells. I'll have to research on it. They claim to have the largest spice processing plant in the world. The odd thing about this brand is that I've never hear of it! At least not in California Texas and any state in between from the Mexican border through Canada (basically the whole of the US "West") . Perhaps it's a brand well known in the "Midwest" (geographically the north-center-eastern US land below the Great Lakes, e.g. Illinois) and perhaps the Atlantic states. It's not like McCormick's which is universal anywhere you go.

[RJBowman]

I've heard of Durkee spices, but they don't strike me as being the biggest.. I've live my entire life in Illinois, Indiana, and Michigan, and it is available in those states. Maybe their "world's largest factory" leases its services to other brands.

[Mercury Wells]

Oriental:-

Lee Kum Kee oyster sauce 1888
Marukawa Confectionery* 1888

Empire:-

Bunderberg Rum 1888
Salada Tea 1892
Red Rose Tea 1894

US:-

Narragansett Brewing Company 1889 (you need to click the "over 21 box" btb)
Taylor Pork Roll 1856/1888
Junket Dessert 1874

Europe:-Teekanne (Tea) Trading Coy. 1888





* Est. Confectionery Co., Ltd. 1948

[Mercury Wells]

UK/Empire:-

Quicke's Cheese Est.1540

Uncle Bert. Would you allow this into the UK/Empire list?

[Banfili]

Empire:-
Bunderberg Rum 1888

Bundaberg also make the best Ginger Beer!!

[Mercury Wells]

Empire:-
Bunderberg Rum 1888

Bundaberg also make the best Ginger Beer!!

Never knew that Root Beer was also drunk in OZ! 

[Banfili]

Empire:-
Bunderberg Rum 1888

Bundaberg also make the best Ginger Beer!!

Never knew that Root Beer was also drunk in OZ! 

Ginger Beer and Root Beer are two completely different animals - Ginger Beer is actually drinkable!!
And yes, I have tried Root Beer, Sarsaparilla and Dr. Pepper (disgusting!).
Nothing compares to ice cold ginger beer 50/50 with ice cold fresh orange juice as the best thirst quencher known. And who could turn down a ginger beer spider!

[Mercury Wells]

Empire:-
Bunderberg Rum 1888

Bundaberg also make the best Ginger Beer!!

Never knew that Root Beer was also drunk in OZ! 

Ginger Beer and Root Beer are two completely different animals - Ginger Beer is actually drinkable!!
And yes, I have tried Root Beer, Sarsaparilla and Dr. Pepper (disgusting!).
Nothing compares to ice cold ginger beer 50/50 with ice cold fresh orange juice as the best thirst quencher known. And who could turn down a ginger beer spider!

I agree with you on a ice cold G.B. 

[Sorontar]

I think you will find that Bundaburg Rum and Bundaburg Ginger Beer are from two different companies. One has an alcoholic bear from the wrong hemisphere (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundaberg_Rum) and the other doesn't (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundaberg_Brewed_Drinks).

Sorontar

[J. Wilhelm]

I think you will find that Bundaburg Rum and Bundaburg Ginger Beer are from two different companies. One has an alcoholic bear from the wrong hemisphere (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundaberg_Rum) and the other doesn't (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundaberg_Brewed_Drinks).

Sorontar

What makes you believe the Bundaburg Bear is an alcoholic? Do you you have proof of its lack of moral character? Do you have photographic evidence of the bear in attendance at AA meetings? Or is it just the fact that the bear found itself in Southern Hemisphere that leads you to raise such slanderous remarks?

[yereverluvinunclebert]

The Michelin man is an alcoholic. too.

Nunc Est Binbendum!



Ooops I've hijacked the thread. Back to food.

[J. Wilhelm]

OK. I have a new brand for the Mexican list (last update page 30? Some entries made after that need to be written in list form). This is a brand that I believe I overlooked and was not included in the list , because it (1) It has a very similar name to another brand, and (2) originally it used to be the name an independent chocolate maker that was purchased by a Jazz Era conglomerate, and thus it was easy to overlook the name.

Fábrica Modelo de Chocolates y Dulces Larín y Compañía, aka Chocolates Larín (not to be confused with Chocolates Turín), is now à Nestlé brand in Mexico was a chocolate factory founded in 1892. I have to do some research on it, and later today after work, I will make more sense out of the scant links I provide below. The brand is well known but the last time I actually purchased any of their products was about 35 years ago or more, and as usual, and in line with common European large industrial complex fashion, the history of the brand is obscured by the parent company in a shiny web page that only shows the present products. I have to resort to old newspaper clippings online, and articles on other chocolatiers who have traded the name in the 20th century... Keep tuned...

https://www.pinterest.com/amp/pin/542331980119009741/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/obrasweb.mx/arquitectura/2014/10/26/fabrica-de-chocolates-larin-un-dulce-pasado%3f_amp=true

https://www.nestle.com.mx/brands/larin

[Mercury Wells]

Euro list:-
Miko Coffee 1801