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Mercury Wells
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« Reply #1325 on: April 29, 2018, 03:57:57 am »

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W&H Marriage & Sons Ltd (Millers 1824)
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« Reply #1326 on: April 29, 2018, 05:04:26 pm »

Very useful - added!
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« Reply #1327 on: May 07, 2018, 09:29:41 am »

A couple more brands:

From the United States, Plochman's Mustard

Plochman's founded in Chicago in 1852 by Moritz Plochman, an immigrant from the Kingdom of Wuttemberg (now Germany). The have the distiction of being the very first seller of a squeeze condiment bottle in the united States, which they developed in 1957. The company, Plochman's Inc. is still owned by the family.

Plochman's Mustard (Founded by Moritz Plochman in 1852, Chicago, Illinois, USA)

Plochman's Bourbon flavoured mustard.


Form Mexico we have yet another beer: Cerveza Sol (no translation necessary).

Legend has it that in a morning of 1899, at a brewery named "El Salto del Agua" ("The water stream's skip"), a master German brewer near Mexico City was busy at work when he noticed a sun beam reflected on the copper brewing kettle. He was so inspired by the sight that he named the beer after the sun.   Roll Eyes

The "Salto del Agua" brewery was purchased by the parent company of Cuauhtemoc beer in 1912.


Sol beer (Cervezeria Sol was foounded in Mexico City in 1899, and acquired by Cuauhtemoc group in 1912).

Overprized beer at my local supermarket


[useless trivia]
Actually the "Water Stream's Skip is the name of a real location in Mexico City and a Metro (Subway/Underground) station, so named after an old water fountain which was part of an aqueduct which fed the city since 1759. The fountain has long been destroyed, but it was for a long time the oldest continuing service fountain in Mexico City. Today a replica stands in it's place
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I really need to update those lists now. I haven't done so in a while.
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« Reply #1328 on: May 17, 2018, 03:35:20 am »

Scottish Bakeries:-

Alexander Taylor Bakery c1820 (can't really find much info though)

Campbell's Bakery 1830

Alex Dalgetty & Sons 1890


I just let the alcohol suggestions in without promoting their inclusion nor suggesting too many others. It is a food list after all.

Makes a change from alcohol...eh Uncle Bert?  Wink


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« Reply #1329 on: May 17, 2018, 03:45:54 am »


 Edmonds Baking Powderband cook book. Sure to rise since 1879.  Most homes have a copy of the recipe book. It's like a  bible. It was once traditionally given as a wedding gift to young brides. It covers pretty much everything or how to adapt   to what you have.

http://goodmanfielder.com/portfolio/edmonds/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmonds_Cookery_Book

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« Reply #1330 on: May 17, 2018, 03:58:17 pm »


 Edmonds Baking Powderband cook book. Sure to rise since 1879.  Most homes have a copy of the recipe book. It's like a  bible. It was once traditionally given as a wedding gift to young brides. It covers pretty much everything or how to adapt   to what you have.

Somewhere at my parents' house there is a cookbook published by Runsford Baking Soda; cookbooks seem to have been a common marketing tool for baking soda around the world.
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« Reply #1331 on: May 25, 2018, 05:41:12 pm »

Coca cola was introduced in 1886

I always wondered how different Coke was then from today... It would be nice to try their recipe from back then
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« Reply #1332 on: May 25, 2018, 08:42:23 pm »

Well, it was coke. As in Coke.

... and not coke nor coke.
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« Reply #1333 on: May 25, 2018, 09:33:13 pm »

Coca cola was introduced in 1886

I always wondered how different Coke was then from today... It would be nice to try their recipe from back then

Contrary to popular myth, there were only traces of coca essence in it, which were eventually removed. Originally it was an alcoholic beverage with some natural extracts including extract from the Coca leaves and the Kola nut - hence the eventual name. It was called "Pemberton's French Wine Coca," and it was a knock off of a similar French product than combined wine with the natural extracts. But the recipe listed for Pemberton's Wine Coca was an earlier medicinal version, before it was commercialised as a drink, and of course, you only had sugar, not corn syrup.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pemberton%27s_French_Wine_Coca

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Pemberton's French Wine Coca was a coca wine created by the druggist John Stith Pemberton, the inventor of Coca-Cola. It was an alcoholic beverage, mixed with coca, kola nut and damiana. The original recipe contained the ingredient cocaethylene (cocaine mixed with alcohol), which was removed, just like the alcohol had before it, in 1899 because of a social stigma surrounding the rampant use of cocaine at the time

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coca-Cola

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It is also worth noting that a Spanish drink called "Kola Coca" was presented at a contest in Philadelphia in 1885, a year before the official birth of Coca-Cola. The rights for this Spanish drink were bought by Coca-Cola in 1953

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In 1885, Pemberton registered his French Wine Coca nerve tonic.[11] In 1886, when Atlanta and Fulton County passed prohibition legislation, Pemberton responded by developing Coca-Cola, a nonalcoholic version of French Wine Coca.[12] The first sales were at Jacob's Pharmacy in Atlanta, Georgia, on May 8, 1886.[13] It was initially sold as a patent medicine for five cents

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By 1888, three versions of Coca-Cola – sold by three separate businesses – were on the market. A co-partnership had been formed on January 14, 1888 between Pemberton and four Atlanta businessmen: J.C. Mayfield, A.O. Murphey, C.O. Mullahy, and E.H. Bloodworth. Not codified by any signed document, a verbal statement given by Asa Candler years later asserted under testimony that he had acquired a stake in Pemberton's company as early as 1887.[17] John Pemberton declared that the name "Coca-Cola" belonged to his son, Charley, but the other two manufacturers could continue to use the formula.[18]
Charley Pemberton's record of control over the "Coca-Cola" name was the underlying factor that allowed for him to participate as a major shareholder in the March 1888 Coca-Cola Company incorporation filing made in his father's place.[19] Charley's exclusive control over the "Coca-Cola" name became a continual thorn in Asa Candler's side. Candler's oldest son, Charles Howard Candler, authored a book in 1950 published by Emory University. In this definitive biography about his father, Candler specifically states: "..., on April 14, 1888, the young druggist Asa Griggs Candler purchased a one-third interest in the formula of an almost completely unknown proprietary elixir known as Coca-Cola."

Advertisement in 1900

Some people say that sugar makes a big difference. It may - my tastebuds are not that sensitive though. I grew up in Mexico City in the 1970s/80s, all we had back then was sugar, no corn syrup. You can get Mexican Coca Cola at various supermarkets or convenience stores today. As a gimmick, the Mexican Coca Cola bottles are still made of glass (that has not been the norm for decades in Mexico), but the Mexican Cola has sugar in it, if you care to taste the difference.
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« Reply #1334 on: May 25, 2018, 09:43:22 pm »

We already have Rum and Coke.  But if you really wanted to go crazy, you do a Coca Cola - Absynthe mixer  Roll Eyes  Or better yet a Rum and Coke with an Absynthe shot chaser Grin  Call it the "Island Fairy Chaser"
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« Reply #1335 on: May 26, 2018, 01:52:25 am »

We already have Rum and Coke.  But if you really wanted to go crazy, you do a Coca Cola - Absynthe mixer  Roll Eyes  Or better yet a Rum and Coke with an Absynthe shot chaser Grin  Call it the "Island Fairy Chaser"

  That would give you a flight of fancy
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« Reply #1336 on: May 27, 2018, 09:26:30 am »

We already have Rum and Coke.  But if you really wanted to go crazy, you do a Coca Cola - Absynthe mixer  Roll Eyes  Or better yet a Rum and Coke with an Absynthe shot chaser Grin  Call it the "Island Fairy Chaser"

  That would give you a flight of fancy

Ah, but would it give you wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiings?  Grin
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« Reply #1337 on: May 27, 2018, 04:54:24 pm »

You can get Mexican Coca Cola at various supermarkets or convenience stores today. As a gimmick, the Mexican Coca Cola bottles are still made of glass (that has not been the norm for decades in Mexico), but the Mexican Cola has sugar in it, if you care to taste the difference.

Has anyone else noticed that domestically (U.S.A.) produced Coca-Cola is no longer available in glass bottles, but they still use glass bottles in all of their advertising?
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« Reply #1338 on: May 27, 2018, 05:15:39 pm »

You can get Mexican Coca Cola at various supermarkets or convenience stores today. As a gimmick, the Mexican Coca Cola bottles are still made of glass (that has not been the norm for decades in Mexico), but the Mexican Cola has sugar in it, if you care to taste the difference.

Has anyone else noticed that domestically (U.S.A.) produced Coca-Cola is no longer available in glass bottles, but they still use glass bottles in all of their advertising?

Not entirely true. Coca Cola Life, is being sold in Texas in small glass bottles at my local supermarket

https://www.heb.com/product-detail/coca-cola-coke-life-soda-8-oz-glass-bottles/1834305

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coca-Cola_Life

Coca Cola Life is a Stevia and sugar sweetened low calorie version of Coca Cola that was developed in Chile and is being marketed world wide since 2014. It is currently performing poorly, and a number of countries have dropped the products already, but it hasn't deterred Coca-Cola in the United States.

Following the beer and cider micro brewery movement in the US, a number of "gourmet sodas" have appeared in the market, at least in the last couple of years. Coca Cola noticed that the glass bottle was a gimmick used in these "premium" products, and thus at selected markets (like Austin, a place full of hípster technocrats) they are using glass bottles to compete with the gourmet sodas.

I've also seen glass Dr. Pepper bottles that advertise the product as "sugar sweetened" That was in response to Coca Cola marketing Mexican Coca Cola in bottles.  The Mexican Coca Cola full size bottle is very popular here in Austin and almost all supermarkets and convenience stores carry Coca-Cola in bottles (at a premium price). I guess with México being so close, they don't need to make them in the United States. But again, it's still a gimmick, because even in Mexico the glass bottle has been vanishing and is now used "for select markets" because the methods for bottle return and recycling have slowly disappeared since the 1980s.
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« Reply #1339 on: July 23, 2018, 02:13:31 am »

Here's one from France: La Perruche sugar cubes

La Perruche brown sugar cubes (The business started as a confectionary shop by André Cossé, Nantes, France, 1828, and the brand name was coined in 1890 as the phrase "á La Perruche")


This is their very jazzy website
https://www.laperruche.fr/?lng=en

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La Perruche is the fruit of a family saga based in Nantes: the delicious secret recipe was invented in 1828 in André Cossé's confectionery workshop. In 1856, two Cossé sons took up the torch and created a refinery in Nantes. They continued to manufacture the traditional sugars with the authentic flavours and fragrances of the tropical islands, without changing their father's original recipe.

The unique flavour of their sugars won them several medals at the Paris Universal Exhibition in 1889, the year famous for the construction of the Eiffel Tower. This exceptional recognition gave rise, the following year, to the brand name of "[Sucre] A la Perruche".

In 1934, the refinery was bought by the Say family, who built a factory in Nantes that is still in operation today. Forty years later, in 1973, the company merged with Béghin, established in the north of France. The brand "À la Perruche" achieved an international reach under the direction of Béghin Say.
In 1996, the brand was re-christened simply as "la Perruche" and now travels all over the world.

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« Reply #1340 on: July 23, 2018, 05:17:15 pm »

You can get Mexican Coca Cola at various supermarkets or convenience stores today. As a gimmick, the Mexican Coca Cola bottles are still made of glass (that has not been the norm for decades in Mexico), but the Mexican Cola has sugar in it, if you care to taste the difference.

Has anyone else noticed that domestically (U.S.A.) produced Coca-Cola is no longer available in glass bottles, but they still use glass bottles in all of their advertising?

Not entirely true. Coca Cola Life, is being sold in Texas in small glass bottles at my local supermarket

The class bottles are being imported from a Mexican bottler as a specialty item. The domestic bottling companies have abandoned glass, though the product is still shown in glass bottles in most of their advertising. It seems to me that there is an element of bait and switch going on there.
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« Reply #1341 on: July 23, 2018, 05:39:27 pm »

You can still buy it in the UK (https://groceries.morrisons.com/webshop/product/Coca--Cola-Classic-Glass-Bottles/400709011) though why I am helping anyone obtain this putrid product is beyond me. OK, I do have a large bottle in my shed for cleaning purposes.
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« Reply #1342 on: July 24, 2018, 01:55:50 am »

If you so wish you can get glass bottles here, too. Also in plastic, especially for larger sizes.
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« Reply #1343 on: July 24, 2018, 08:46:33 am »

You can still buy it in the UK (https://groceries.morrisons.com/webshop/product/Coca--Cola-Classic-Glass-Bottles/400709011) though why I am helping anyone obtain this putrid product is beyond me. OK, I do have a large bottle in my shed for cleaning purposes.

The ones from Mexico have a 355 ml capacity. That is what you’d find at convenience stores and gas stations in the US (Austin). But this is ridiculous, it's pure hipster fad. The claim is the the sugar sweetened soda tastes better that the corn syrup sweetened coke and somehow gives you an enhanced caffeine "buzz." The joke is that only the export Mexican bottles coming to the US have sugar. The rest of the Mexican production is similar to the American product. Honestly, this is marketing for corduroy and flannel wearing IT-"campus" hipster techies living in San Francisco or in Seattle.


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« Reply #1344 on: July 24, 2018, 08:52:02 am »

We already have Rum and Coke.  But if you really wanted to go crazy, you do a Coca Cola - Absynthe mixer  Roll Eyes  Or better yet a Rum and Coke with an Absynthe shot chaser Grin  Call it the "Island Fairy Chaser"

  That would give you a flight of fancy

Ah, but would it give you wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiings?  Grin

There's a similar joke about Tequila in Mexico, but I can't repeat it in polite company. "Red Bull gives you wings, but Tequila gives you _______"
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« Reply #1345 on: July 24, 2018, 05:00:08 pm »

Here's the original product:


Pemperton's French Wine Coca, direct predecessor to Coca Cola. When people claim that Coca Cola originally contained cocaine, this is the stuff that they are talking about. The product contained cocaine and alcohol; the perfect party drink, and, because it was marketed as a medicine, it could be sold in Atlanta, where alcohol was illegal.

And the production of the product left a bunch of decocainized coca leaves, which had no medicinal (or party) value, but had a distinctive flavor when brewed into a tea, and, when mixed with cola nut extract, citrus and coriander oil, sugar, and carbonated water, produced a pleasant tasting cure for stomach ailments marketed under the name "Coca Cola".
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« Reply #1346 on: July 24, 2018, 05:28:14 pm »

Nelstrops Family Miller 1820

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« Reply #1347 on: July 24, 2018, 07:35:09 pm »

ALL very good.
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« Reply #1348 on: August 06, 2018, 12:07:17 pm »

Cirio Foods (canning?) 1856
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« Reply #1349 on: August 06, 2018, 09:40:38 pm »



There are all these wonderful Italian brands that I see every now and then in the Italian section of my super. Sadly, often times is difficult to corroborate their pedigree...
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