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ellabethy
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« Reply #50 on: July 29, 2008, 10:16:05 pm »

Hi your photos are of my husbands family Orval Beagle Riegel was my husbands great grandfather roy william Riegel was oval's brother I'm working on riegel family tree do you have any more photos ? or more family tree stuff.
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« Reply #51 on: July 29, 2008, 11:50:20 pm »

An excellent thread to revive, even if by accident!

For starters, I present my maternal grandfather's brothers, both of whom died (I think) even before my mom was born:

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As you can see, they were in vaudeville.

I believe I handled some of their clubs when I was a small child. Chances are they are still in existence, in a basement in NYC.
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« Reply #52 on: July 30, 2008, 08:46:47 pm »

who has the riegel/beagle family photos ? these photos are really important to my husband's grandmother and her brothers and sisters that are still alive . do you have any more photos? is it ok if i add them to his family tree
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« Reply #53 on: July 30, 2008, 09:05:57 pm »

My old Aunties got all the photos. Maybe I can convince her to bring some up for scanning this fall.

As for the changing color of eyes:

I have inherited the same tendency to change color, sometimes very dramatically, from my maternal grandfather (who lived on a Cherokee reservation with his 3 redheaded sisters, so lord know where he got it from), and after much experimentation I think I've arrived at the mechanism of it. I was a good candidate to work it out because my eyes range in appearance from bright leaf green to dark blue, and on one memorable occasion, violet. Usually they hang about in the grey/green zone.

What seems to happen is this- when one expediences various emotions, it effects the way ones pupils are dialated. As a general rule of thumb, unpleasant emotions lead to a small pupil, and pleasant ones to a larger pupil. The iris, which contains the color, can easily be seen to be comprised of a great many filaments of varying colors. In most, the color is relatively uniform, and in some others, different colors are clustered around he pupil and the outer iris. However, in some, the filaments are varied and mixes. Thus, when the filaments move during the course of pupil dilation, different colors are emphasized, resulting in some small change of color.

Although, in my experience, lighting, color of clothing, and ambient color of the surrounding area generally have a greater impact on eye color perception than mood.

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« Reply #54 on: July 30, 2008, 09:36:21 pm »

I have really dark vergin on black amber brown eyes.
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« Reply #55 on: July 30, 2008, 09:46:46 pm »

Another thing on eye color in old photos:

The earliest photographic emulsions were sensitive only to blue light. This meant that blue eyes showed up as much lighter than they really were. Blue-sensitive emulsions eventually gave way to orthochromatic emulsions, which were sensitive to all colors except red. This made red lipstick, for example, look black (or at least dark grey). Finally, panchromatic emulsions were introduced that are sensitive to all colors.

I'd have to check the exact years; ortho and pan films were in existence for a long time before they each became predominant, and blue-sensitive flims were still in common use in the early 20th century. They were a bit cheaper than ortho, so they hung on for quite a while.

Nowadays, you can get orthochromatic films from specialist dealers. They give a definite "vintage" look to photos (depending of course on subject matter). As far as I can tell, at the moment blue-sensitive film is virtually unobtainable.

These effects could, of course, be simulated from a color photo in photoshop or any software that lets you play with the color channels. To simulate blue-sensitive, you might discard all but the blue channel; to simulate ortho, drop the red channel. A bit oversimplified, but it will give you the idea.

So all those extraordinarily pale blue eyes you see in old photos are probably fairly ordinary blue; and extraordinarily dark eyes might really be an ordinary brown.
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« Reply #56 on: September 15, 2012, 04:34:45 am »

I am a BEAGLE descendant, too. Your photos are AMAZING!  John Augustus Beagle was the brother of my great-great-great-great-grandmother, Lucinda Beagle Behymer.

I sure would like to hear from you, and learn more about your line, especially John Augustus.  And, do you have any more of your rare and awesome photos?

Sincerely,
Your distant cousin!
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« Reply #57 on: September 15, 2012, 11:16:46 pm »

None of the images I have seen of my own ancestors are at all impressive.

I do wish I could find the picture of my grade-school friend's grandfather's posed wall portrait - a very large and impressive bearded, shaven-headed  gentleman with a long scalp-lock, in a dark, formal Victorian suit. He was a Cossack from the Ukraine, who immigrated to the US with his family, and became a successful horse-trainer, back when horses were still the main transport in New York City, a century and a half ago, or so.
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« Reply #58 on: September 17, 2012, 02:16:17 am »

Ladies and Gentlemen:

I like the fact that this thread was preserved from the early days at Brassgoggles; I just wish that this or a similar thread could be posted as a sticky thread, since I see a good number of photos have disappeared and the thread was necromanced after many years.  Perhaps we should start a new thread of say "archival quality?"

I had ranted about some of my photos in the past and my family, but it wasn't to be until this summer that I could make good on my promises.  It turns out I have found a treasure trove of family photos dating back to the 1880's including the French, Italian, Basque and Mexican sides of my family (all my maternal side).

The photos were sourced from my Great Grand mother, Ms. Anna Levy, and more impressive since she was a Catholic Levy!  Like I wrote in other BG posts, she was born (actually on a cruise ship) to one of three couples; 3 French Jewish brothers (Levy) who converted to the Catholic faith, married 3 French Catholic sisters (Guerrier) and then moved to the Americas.  Being wealthy city folk, the Levy-Guerrier couples found the bourgeoisie in New Orleans not so palatable, and they probably found the environment too gauche.  They had only two alternatives.  It was either Quebec or Mexico City, the latter of which was still somewhat culturally influenced by the French Intervention of the 1860's in Mexico (Maximilian of Austria period).

My Great Great Grandparents, Mr. Albert Levy and Ms. Alphonsine Guerrier newly-weds sometime in the late 1880's/early 1890's (I need to check the dates):


Their youngest daughter Ms. Anna Levy, was raised in Mexico City as were all of her siblings, she would eventually become a future professional concert harpist, theatre actor, wife, mother and occasional illicit winemaker:

Ms. Anna Levy in her Music Conservatory college years (19??-1918); a certificate issued in 1927...  By the time this certificate was issued she had been married for some time to a Mexican accountant, Mr. Ricardo Marin, she met in Washington DC when she worked for the Mexican Consulate.

A little older, probably already a mother of 3, in New York, Depression Era (This seems to be a very bad Xerox copy of the original photo which I will find later for sure).  She did in fact play, as a professional musician, the full-size concert harp and managed to play once at Carnegie Hall. She also had professional voice training and I heard that she played the part of Madame Butterfly at the opera!

So there it is gentlefolk;  Just the tip of the iceberg so far.  All images, if you please 2012 (CC) John William Dunn, subject to Creative Commons Attribution License 2.0, and PLEASE if you can, don't forget the source and the names of  the people photographed!

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« Reply #59 on: September 17, 2012, 10:56:20 am »

A genealogy thread! Well I shall have to contribute...

My great-great-grandfather John Austin:

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and my great-grandmother Mary Hobson:

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and my great-great-great-grandfather Charles Fisk:

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Unfortunately I don't have many other photos of the right era. I've got lots from the 20s.

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« Reply #60 on: September 18, 2012, 02:16:46 am »

Lady Thorold:

We should show those too!  The pretext being they can fall under the banner of Dieselpunk.  I have 8mm reel home movies that date back to the early 30's!!  As well as myriad of photos from the 1920s, particularly from my Basque-Italian side, also immigrants in Mexico.  I have a particular reel that shows my grandfather as a child with his brother and sister at a time when my Great-grandfather had become successful as a civil engineer at the highest level (federal public works department), essentially taking the family from rags to riches, from farmers to college educated in a single generation!   Rather nice because animated pictures really convey the personality of people.

I have an 1-hour Mpeg1 (Video Compact Disc) I transferred from a 1970's 80mm projector through to VHS tape and then scanned into my computer. All home movies from this Basque/Italian family. The music background is Chopin's Polonnaises and makes my other Great grandmother (Paternal, my mother's side) look rather elegant when she was a young woman (already a mother to 3) and taking piano lessons in the conservatory (she was contemporary and actually befriended Ms. Anna Levy shown in the picture above - they both studied music).  This was an elegant family during the Jazz age (including flapper styles  Grin ) from the 20's-30's in Mexico, and it translates rather nicely to film/video....
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« Reply #61 on: September 18, 2012, 08:16:32 pm »

Here's my great grandparents with my grandad sat in the chair.

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« Reply #62 on: September 18, 2012, 08:22:28 pm »

Here's great - grandads brother who was footman/ valet to the Governor of Australia, in his uniform then in the other pic with the pipe polishing the silver in Govt House.



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« Reply #63 on: September 19, 2012, 06:21:31 am »

Great Grandfather Ernest Livingstone.
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Great Grandparents the Lees' with my Grandmother Florence in the middle as a child.
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My Great Grandmother Emily Pennington just after she married into the Lees family in her Boer War era nursing uniform.
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« Reply #64 on: September 19, 2012, 11:15:47 pm »

Lady Thorold:

We should show those too!  The pretext being they can fall under the banner of Dieselpunk.


After being called Lady Thorold how could I refuse...

This is a picture of great-grandmother Gladys Austin with her 20s haircut. It broke her father's heart when she cut off her auburn ringlets! I have several more of her and her husband but they aren't uploaded yet. Watch this space.



It must be fascinating to have video footage of your ancestors. We have so few photos, except for this particular family. I think the earliest footage we have of my family is my younger sister meeting her first steam train aged 3.

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« Reply #65 on: September 20, 2012, 04:12:24 am »

I know they're not exactly period, but I have nothing else but these of my paternal grandparents.  I wonder if anyone can date the first picture by the car?  I just love the second picture of them.  I would imagine it to be around 1956-58, since Gramma Becky looks healthy, and she passed away in 1959.  Grampa Vic is just the cutest, isn't he?  Smiley


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« Reply #66 on: September 20, 2012, 07:50:21 am »

This is a picture of my daughters family tree as far as we can go back picturewise...
We put it on the wall next to the dinertable. I think it's important for my little girl to honour her roots and I like to think her ancestors are watching over her....



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« Reply #67 on: September 24, 2012, 12:20:25 pm »

As promised, my 'dieselpunk' family photos.

Off to India (great-grandfather, great-grandmother and great-great-grandmother:
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My great-grandfather George in engineer mode:
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and as it's dieselpunk, my great-grandmother Gladys:
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« Reply #68 on: September 24, 2012, 12:37:07 pm »

Very nice, Ada!
I especially like (the picture of) great-grandfather George...
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« Reply #69 on: September 24, 2012, 02:05:32 pm »

Thank you, this is one of my favourites as well. I am not sure what his actual job was, something to do with the steelworks. Though looking at the bottles behind him perhaps mad scientist is a good job description....

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« Reply #70 on: September 24, 2012, 05:55:48 pm »

Ada, i love the pic of Grandma Gladys!  I wonder if she actually rode, or if it was a just a pose?
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« Reply #71 on: September 24, 2012, 08:40:59 pm »

I think she did. The bike was great-grandfather George's but I think they both rode it, particularly while they were in India.

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« Reply #72 on: September 24, 2012, 08:54:03 pm »

Beatiful Pictures, Lady Thorold!  I have other "Dieselpunk" pictures I may be able to show.  I may have to go hunting in boxes to extract more pictures.  The Basque Italian side was headed by Mr. Carlos Bazan (Senior), and he was also an Engineer - head of the Federal (national) Public Works Department -s so there are a lot of interesting (on the job) pictures.

For the later generations (1930s-40s), My grandmother Mireya Marin-Levy prior to marriage (daughter of Anna Levy in the previous post) was one of the first female employees at Eastern Airlines, working in any capacity for the airline.  She was working at corporate offices in Mexico City, but she had contacts with WWI heroes like Edward V. Richenbacker who became President of the company before WWII.

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« Reply #73 on: September 05, 2013, 12:34:08 am »

My Great Great Grandfathers on my maternal Grandmother's side of the family


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« Reply #74 on: September 05, 2013, 02:59:17 am »

I already posted some 1880s-90s and 1930s photos from my French side starting with my great-grand parents, but my Italian side and Basque side did not really have any good photos until the families became well to do in the 1920s and 30s.  A true rags to riches story spanning a single generation, my Great grand father Carlos Bazan was one of several brothers to first attend engineering college and actually make it to the top engineering position in the country: presidential appointee, head of the Federal Public Works Department in Mexico (sort of saying "Civil Engineer-General" instead of "Surgeon General" although we have no such federal civil engineering department or position in the United States).

The photos are looking a lot more "Latin" and with good reason.  His family were descendants of a bonafide noble - yet run down ancient Basque family (Bazan - Grand Marquisade of Santa Cruz, Circa 1120 prior to the formation of Spain) that had become mostly farmers in Northern Mexico by the turn of the century.  My Great Grandfather Carlos Bazan married the daughter, Elva Nora Barocio of an Italian-Mexican family, immigrants in the very late 1800's from Northern Italy (Baroccio --> Barocio). The eldest son of Carlos and Elva, Carlos Hugo is my grandfather and he is the one who raised me when my parents defaulted on their obligation nearly 45 years ago.



Many of the people in these photos are unidentified.  I just wrote the names of the people I could recognise offhand, but all of the names are actually very well documented if I can reach the right sources (the Barocio family made the news in Mexico ~30 years ago by having a 3000 family member reunion in Mexico City).

See that young chap, left between 1st and 2nd rows with round glasses and flat cap?  That is my grandfather.  Who does he remind you of, I wonder?


Some of the photographs are fantastic and I have many more.



My gradfather's younger sister (grand-aunt?) Elva Nora (still alive) as a small child


My grand-aunt Elva Nora much older as a young lady, presumably with her friends at the college of architecture in Mexico City (center of photo wearing a dark coloured jersey)




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