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« Reply #225 on: July 13, 2012, 10:35:43 am » |
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Be careful trying to "repopulate" with family.  the future could see a devolution otherwise  I've always wondered how small a population can be before inbreeding would become a problem.. ANyone got any figures on that? If genetic diversity is paramount, it would pretty much a given that people would have to have children with different partners. In fact, if you get down to real low numbers (and everyone agreed an attempt to repopulate was a good idea, of course) then I suspect one wold have to remove all sorts of social and psychological barriers and pretty much let logic and mathematics decide who should be partnered up with who.. |
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« Reply #226 on: July 13, 2012, 11:15:01 am » |
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Forward two episodes: they are now hacking away at zombies with axes and hammers while wearing short-sleeved shirts. Wait, what?
Under what circumstances do they find themselves in that situation wearing those clothes? Sleeves don't magically appear the instant zombies do. Something everyone seems to forget, gamers especially, is that "I would choose I would choose I would choose" is not a magical rite that turns what you have into what you think is best for the situation. Any seemingly illogical choice can become obvious when put into context. |
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Orkses is never beaten in battle. If we wins we wins and if we dies we dies fightin' so it don't count as beat. Even if we runs away it means we can always come back for anuvver go, see!
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« Reply #227 on: July 13, 2012, 11:29:10 am » |
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akumabito, just offhand the minimum number required to kick start a human population/re-population is 2000 genetically unrelated, fertile (& willing) 'breeders'. This does not include any offspring they may already have, just fertile individuals. With this number of breeders it only takes a couple of generations for individuals to genetically diverge enough to avoid inbreeding (& incest!)
Can't remember exactly where I read this, but it was in relation to a Palaeoanthropology course I did a couple of years ago.
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« Reply #228 on: July 13, 2012, 02:36:14 pm » |
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Forward two episodes: they are now hacking away at zombies with axes and hammers while wearing short-sleeved shirts. Wait, what?
Under what circumstances do they find themselves in that situation wearing those clothes? Sleeves don't magically appear the instant zombies do. Something everyone seems to forget, gamers especially, is that "I would choose I would choose I would choose" is not a magical rite that turns what you have into what you think is best for the situation. Any seemingly illogical choice can become obvious when put into context. Download the series and judge for yourself!  |
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« Reply #229 on: July 13, 2012, 09:30:59 pm » |
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The inhabitants of Tristan de Cunha are descendants of a rather small amount of people. However they seem to have avoided the deleterious effects of inbreeding due to being quite diverse to begin with.
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« Reply #230 on: July 14, 2012, 12:23:30 am » |
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Another thing apocalyptic films of all kinds always get wrong: gasoline is unstable. Diesel is a little better, but not much. There are stabilizers you can use, but even so, after one season, you've got a layer of sludge, a layer of varnish, and several layers of whatever else is in there. No, mixing them back together does nothing for you.
Given a sustainable base, which must include farming, it would be possible to press canola oil or something for lubricants, and distill anything starchy into ethanol. The thing can be done, I've just never seen anyone do it. Maybe we need more film directors with snowmobiles?
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« Reply #231 on: July 14, 2012, 12:25:33 am » |
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Do you mean it would seperate out while in the gas tanks of abandoned cars?
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« Reply #232 on: July 14, 2012, 02:10:49 am » |
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Yes it would. This is why you drain the fuel from gasoline tools before putting them in storage, load your boat with stay-bil in the winter, and is a primary source of income for lawn mower repairmen in early spring. Note that alcohol doesn't have this problem. it has several others, which prevent its widespread use, but you could make it work on a village scale, if you saved the vehicles for important stuff.
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« Reply #233 on: July 14, 2012, 02:43:51 am » |
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Interesting DH. I guess raiding fish and chip shops for biofuel to us in diesel vehicles would be the best option!
A friend of mine runs a small NGO in the pacific setting villages up with a coconut cold pressing device to get oil. The coconut oil is then used for cooking, lamps and diesel generators and vehicles. Perhaps a move to the coconut isles would be the way to survive the apocalypse?
Re the walking dead - I'm a big fan of the series but akumabito I agree with you about the hunting knives through the skull. Unless there was some serious decomposition it's unlikely to be your best option. In the comic they use a hatchet and a hammer as the primary skull crackers.
My biggest irk with the series is the iconic image of Rick riding into Atlanta on a horse.
The ingoing right lane before him is empty while the left is choked with the gridlocked rusting cars of those who tried to flee. It's a great image and certainly tells a story...but in reality it's unlikely that anyone fleeing the Z-poc would feel constrained by traffic rules when there's an empty lane leaving town!
Still love the show though!
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« Reply #234 on: July 14, 2012, 05:07:10 am » |
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I've been looking at doing a short steampunk zombie flick for a while and will be sure to incorporate some armour elements into the costumes. The goggles are obvious but I'll include heavy gloves and forearm guards, a high collared coat and heavy boots. I also have a couple of shoulder gaurds which are less usefull but look cool! Here's a scribble I did this morning with my daughters pencils... She was drawing rainbows...  Something like this anyway... Hopefully I can shoot in December... I'll keep you posted |
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« Reply #235 on: July 14, 2012, 08:39:26 pm » |
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Another thing apocalyptic films of all kinds always get wrong: gasoline is unstable. Diesel is a little better, but not much. There are stabilizers you can use, but even so, after one season, you've got a layer of sludge, a layer of varnish, and several layers of whatever else is in there. No, mixing them back together does nothing for you.
Given a sustainable base, which must include farming, it would be possible to press canola oil or something for lubricants, and distill anything starchy into ethanol. The thing can be done, I've just never seen anyone do it. Maybe we need more film directors with snowmobiles?
Which would make an interesting plot point in and of itself - scavenging fuel will be fine for a few months.. maybe a year. but afgter that, you're out of luck until biofuel production kicks in. But that could take years (you'll have to wait till it's safe enough for agriculture- and fuel doesn't take priority over growing food) Back to horses and bicycles, i say.. or maybe wood-gas conversions for larger vehicles.. |
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« Reply #236 on: July 17, 2012, 02:24:20 am » |
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Another thing apocalyptic films of all kinds always get wrong: gasoline is unstable. Diesel is a little better, but not much. There are stabilizers you can use, but even so, after one season, you've got a layer of sludge, a layer of varnish, and several layers of whatever else is in there. No, mixing them back together does nothing for you.
Given a sustainable base, which must include farming, it would be possible to press canola oil or something for lubricants, and distill anything starchy into ethanol. The thing can be done, I've just never seen anyo
ne do it. Maybe we need more film directors with snowmobiles?
Which would make an interesting plot point in and of itself - scavenging fuel will be fine for a few months.. maybe a year. but afgter that, you're out of luck until biofuel production kicks in. But that could take years (you'll have to wait till it's safe enough for agriculture- and fuel doesn't take priority over growing food) Back to horses and bicycles, i say.. or maybe wood-gas conversions for larger vehicles.. Or, hmmm ......Steam? |
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« Reply #237 on: July 17, 2012, 10:21:59 am » |
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Another thing apocalyptic films of all kinds always get wrong: gasoline is unstable. Diesel is a little better, but not much. There are stabilizers you can use, but even so, after one season, you've got a layer of sludge, a layer of varnish, and several layers of whatever else is in there. No, mixing them back together does nothing for you.
Given a sustainable base, which must include farming, it would be possible to press canola oil or something for lubricants, and distill anything starchy into ethanol. The thing can be done, I've just never seen anyo
ne do it. Maybe we need more film directors with snowmobiles?
Which would make an interesting plot point in and of itself - scavenging fuel will be fine for a few months.. maybe a year. but afgter that, you're out of luck until biofuel production kicks in. But that could take years (you'll have to wait till it's safe enough for agriculture- and fuel doesn't take priority over growing food) Back to horses and bicycles, i say.. or maybe wood-gas conversions for larger vehicles.. Or, hmmm ......Steam? With all respect to the tinkerers around - I'm not going anywhere near steam-powered vehicles cobbled together from trash.. At least not until it's been thoroughly tested I think I'd prefer wood-gas anyhow. Gassifiers are easy enough to make (even from scrap metal) and there's less likelihood of getting yourself killed in the process. I just don;t know how well modern fuel-injected vehicles take to wood gas though.. |
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« Reply #238 on: July 17, 2012, 10:49:46 am » |
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With all respect to the tinkerers around - I'm not going anywhere near steam-powered vehicles cobbled together from trash.. At least not until it's been thoroughly tested I think I'd prefer wood-gas anyhow. Gassifiers are easy enough to make (even from scrap metal) and there's less likelihood of getting yourself killed in the process. I just don;t know how well modern fuel-injected vehicles take to wood gas though.. Only one way to find out!! |
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« Reply #239 on: July 17, 2012, 01:14:57 pm » |
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Or, hmmm ......Steam? [quote\] With all respect to the tinkerers around - I'm not going anywhere near steam-powered vehicles cobbled together from trash.. At least not until it's been thoroughly tested I think I'd prefer wood-gas anyhow. Gassifiers are easy enough to make (even from scrap metal) and there's less likelihood of getting yourself killed in the process. I just don;t know how well modern fuel-injected vehicles take to wood gas though.. [/quote] The Steam suggestion, with similar respect to my fellow Tinkerers, was in jest, this being a Steam-punk forum and all that. Similarly, the thread is about Zombie Apocalypse, again, all apologies to Zombie movie fans etc, (it is a fantasy thread on a fantasy forum,) but in reality it would be very tricky to make a modern fuel-injected vehicle run "Properly" on wood- or grain- alcohol. Sorry to say, they are designed NOT to since in doing so, the oil companies would lose out, and every town could distill their own fuel. Don't get me started on THAT thread. Grrr. If you wanted to run a vehicle on moonshine, kerosene (for Diesel)or the like, start with a carbureted (Normally aspirated) pre-seventies vehicle and then it is a matter of adjustments and tinkering. I would seriously suggest that you acquire said vehicle and try this welll in advance of any apocalypse, Zombie or otherwise. Don't want to hear of you trying to retro-fit a 1973 Grand Fury while fending off the crazies. Good luck with that. |
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« Reply #240 on: July 19, 2012, 02:43:23 am » |
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Just finished my steampunk zombie chopper. Meet Dr. Gunn's pnumatic bowie...  It's made primarily from medium density foam rubber and latex with a lightweight pinewood rod in the spine. Looks nasty but is actually very soft. |
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« Reply #241 on: July 19, 2012, 07:02:52 am » |
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Not going to kill anything with that, unless they choke on the sponge rubber whilst eating it!!
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« Reply #242 on: July 19, 2012, 08:08:59 am » |
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Hey - on screen (which is after all where zombies actually exist!) it's as brutal as I want it to be  Fake blood, latex wounds, a blue-screen, adobe after effects and you'll believe it's a steam-pumping, skull-busting bit of iron! This way it's also unlikely to accidentally take out an eye or get me arrested  |
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« Reply #243 on: July 19, 2012, 08:13:15 pm » |
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Loads of time to be prepared: Glasgow Zombie Walk
Sunday 28 October 2012 3.00pm
Assemble – Kelvingrove Park
Route – through Kelvingrove Park, participants should assemble within park boundaries, follow a route through the park, and disperse within the Park as well, e.g. Park Drive entrance to Parkgrove Terrace entrance
Dispersal – within Kelvingrove Park boundaries
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« Reply #244 on: July 19, 2012, 08:35:35 pm » |
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If such an event were to occur,I would simply hoard all the food I can carry from the Local Grocer, and I can carry a lot. Enough to feed my family until you kind folks battle it out, decreasing the Z population to near extinction. I am not good at zombie killing and we would practice swordsmanship in the interval.
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« Reply #245 on: July 20, 2012, 12:29:57 am » |
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I'm with you jedediah. Except living in a harbour city I think I'd set up on a nice big yacht and cap the undead at a distance with a hunting rifle. There are also plenty of great little islands in Sydney harbour that one could quickly dezombify an live quite comfortably.
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« Reply #246 on: July 20, 2012, 01:20:08 am » |
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I'm with you jedediah. Except living in a harbour city I think I'd set up on a nice big yacht and cap the undead at a distance with a hunting rifle. There are also plenty of great little islands in Sydney harbour that one could quickly dezombify an live quite comfortably. I am still of two minds about this - within an hour or so, I can be onto a sailboat in the Chesapeake Bay. In the same time, I can be in a very nice secluded spot in the Eastern hills of West Virginia, Both spots could be pre-stocked with food, gear and weapons. Fresh seafood and 1-2 comrades/family members, or a big garden and 5-6 person community to share the work? |
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« Reply #247 on: July 20, 2012, 05:39:31 am » |
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On a boat/island you'd have the peace of mind of knowing that no dead dudes are likely to wander in while your sleeping. I know various interpretations have had zombies wandering around under water but I think it unlikely one could stroll through the harbour without being caught in the rocks and seaweed or carried away by currents or sharks. I suppose a corpse could float across but you could certainly take precautions. Just off the Oprah House is a little island called Fort Denison...  I think I'd be setting up there for the early stages... provided of course I managed to avoid zombification... Which, lets face it, is probably the most likely outcome  |
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« Reply #248 on: July 20, 2012, 09:25:05 am » |
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Ahem ... Opera House ... last I heard Oprah didn't own it!
Fort Denison is a good choice - plenty of Port Jackson sharks, & a fort! What more could you want!?
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« Reply #249 on: July 20, 2012, 09:11:55 pm » |
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Ahem ... Opera House ... last I heard Oprah didn't own it!
Fort Denison is a good choice - plenty of Port Jackson sharks, & a fort! What more could you want!?
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