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Well, the truth about how I feel about someone my family doesn't approve of is now out in the open, and I'm now on shaky ground with my family because of it. I feel better not having to hide things from them anymore, but at the same time, their judgmental nature both saddens and disappoints me. They just can't accept that people can change. Just because a person made one mistake (using drugs in this case) that led to a series of bad decisions doesn't mean they won't be able to pull themselves out of it if they really and truly try. I am trying to be there for the girl I have loved from a distance for 10 years and watched powerless as her life spiraled downward. Now she is honestly making an effort to put things right and I plan on being there to help her. I am the ONLY person left in her life who actually cares whether she lives or dies, and d@^#&t, this time I'm not going to sit back and let her fall! She's never asked me for help before because she does not want her life to screw up mine. She's hesitant to accept my help now because she says she doesn't want to lose me as a friend, and everyone she gets close to always leaves. I'm not really giving her a choice this time. I've lost too many friends through the years to everything from simple arguments to car accidents and cancer. This girl has ALWAYS been there for me as emotional support, sometimes without even realizing the difference she was making in my life and I never had the courage before to step in and help when I knew she needed it. She knows how I feel about her, and has finally reached the point where she is actually willing to ask me for help. I'm NOT going to walk out of her life just because my family doesn't approve of her.
You sir, have done wonders towards restoring my faith in humanity. Damn the torpedos, mate, full steam ahead! Agreed. Wow man, good for you. Honestly this makes me wish I wasn't so cynical sometimes. You're a stronger man than I. My prayers go with you. Good on ye mate. The world is now a better place. |
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« Reply #176 on: February 11, 2012, 05:20:52 am » |
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Well, the truth about how I feel about someone my family doesn't approve of is now out in the open, and I'm now on shaky ground with my family because of it. I feel better not having to hide things from them anymore, but at the same time, their judgmental nature both saddens and disappoints me. They just can't accept that people can change. Just because a person made one mistake (using drugs in this case) that led to a series of bad decisions doesn't mean they won't be able to pull themselves out of it if they really and truly try. I am trying to be there for the girl I have loved from a distance for 10 years and watched powerless as her life spiraled downward. Now she is honestly making an effort to put things right and I plan on being there to help her. I am the ONLY person left in her life who actually cares whether she lives or dies, and d@^#&t, this time I'm not going to sit back and let her fall! She's never asked me for help before because she does not want her life to screw up mine. She's hesitant to accept my help now because she says she doesn't want to lose me as a friend, and everyone she gets close to always leaves. I'm not really giving her a choice this time. I've lost too many friends through the years to everything from simple arguments to car accidents and cancer. This girl has ALWAYS been there for me as emotional support, sometimes without even realizing the difference she was making in my life and I never had the courage before to step in and help when I knew she needed it. She knows how I feel about her, and has finally reached the point where she is actually willing to ask me for help. I'm NOT going to walk out of her life just because my family doesn't approve of her.
Better to sacrifice it all to save one person than to sacrifice nothing and save nobody. Good job! We're all here if you need any support. (these kind of things can be tough on the person trying to help) My Gah is a little Gah. My fiance knows that the cat does not sleep through the night. Well I was getting ready to go to sleep (I'm sleeping on the couch due to our house guest) when it occurred to me that somebody was MIA. I get it that pets are quite therapeutic for people going through what my fiance and her friend's daughter have been through...but kitty needs to use the litter box and his breakfast time is a lot earlier than the rest of us. Risking causing any sort of panic, I had to open the door to let cat out (he ran immediately out, down the steps and to his food dish). Now a side-Gah is how exactly to discuss it with our guest or even if I should. |
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My Gah is a little Gah. My fiance knows that the cat does not sleep through the night. Well I was getting ready to go to sleep (I'm sleeping on the couch due to our house guest) when it occurred to me that somebody was MIA. I get it that pets are quite therapeutic for people going through what my fiance and her friend's daughter have been through...but kitty needs to use the litter box and his breakfast time is a lot earlier than the rest of us. Risking causing any sort of panic, I had to open the door to let cat out (he ran immediately out, down the steps and to his food dish). Now a side-Gah is how exactly to discuss it with our guest or even if I should.
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The GAH news: Within 24 hours of that conversation, which included talking with my mother, my mother found a way to increase the level of bullsh*t so much that she dragged one of my brothers into it. The result of which is now, once again, my moron of a brother played right into her games (which he complains about all the time when it is against him) and now we're none of us talking. After telling my mother how hurt I was by the insane accusations she made I simply hung up the phone. At this point, the next time she calls (who knows when) I'm telling her that after 8 years of this game I am not playing anymore. And that in addition, so long as she remains this way we have nothing to talk about, nor will there be any chance of her ever seeing me again.
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« Reply #179 on: February 11, 2012, 10:54:29 pm » |
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The good news: I got to talk to my little sister yesterday for the first time in almost 2 months.
The GAH news: Within 24 hours of that conversation, which included talking with my mother, my mother found a way to increase the level of bullsh*t so much that she dragged one of my brothers into it. The result of which is now, once again, my moron of a brother played right into her games (which he complains about all the time when it is against him) and now we're none of us talking. After telling my mother how hurt I was by the insane accusations she made I simply hung up the phone. At this point, the next time she calls (who knows when) I'm telling her that after 8 years of this game I am not playing anymore. And that in addition, so long as she remains this way we have nothing to talk about, nor will there be any chance of her ever seeing me again.
For what it's worth, mate, my mother-in-law is playing a similar game. She's pretty much never cared for me, and had the gall to tell my wife she was a horrid daughter, and a lousy human being! Stall the ball right there, woman! That's your own flesh and BLOOD! You don't want to deal with us, you don't get to see your granddaughter. Sounds harsh, aye, but when we got married, we ceased to be separate people, we're now one. So, although it's not the EXACT same thing, I sympathize with your plight, mate. It'll all work itself out to rights, it usually does-so no worries! And ALWAYS remember-it's the best and strongest steel that goes through the hottest fires! |
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« Reply #180 on: February 11, 2012, 11:41:29 pm » |
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Thank you Xenos. My lady friend and I have come to the hard decision also that my mother best straighten her act out or she will not even know that we'll be married (when we do after I graduate...in just 2 short years), let alone know her future grandchildren. Add to what my mother is doing to me, my mother has also been horrid to my girlfriend (not just by blaming her for all of this at times when she's not blaming me). Which is all the worse when you think how my mother's mother-in-law had treated her.
I am well aware of the benefits of the sh*t my parents have put me through. In fact one of the immediate benefits has been from their non-acceptance of my peculiarities...you know my being a nerd. I have always, since the time I was young, been the outcast of my family. My parents, me brothers, all have never accepted my and demanded (yes, actually demanded) that I change. Well, on the one hand I've been very lucky to have wonderful grandparents who were always there when it fell to crap. And, on the other hand, I couldn't care what people think of me and I have learned to just have a great time being me; that giant fan-boy, science fiction loving, Old Western Nerd that I am.
And, as of late (I guess this part really belongs in the things that make you happy thread), the folks here in Alpine Texas love who I am and are glad to welcome me as a Texan. I've also been lucky in that my lovely lady (the future Mrs. Greatestescaper) and her family loves me. On several occasions they have treated me to the family that they feel I so desperately need and deserve. Also, the forum here has been a lovely place for me to spend my time and meet great folks - I really can't wait to get to some conventions finally. It would seem then that the more I am shedding friends, and family as well, I am gaining truer friends and better family.
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I just wanted to say a quick thank you to everyone here for all the kind comments & words of support. This feels like it's going to be a battle on two fronts. It's difficult enough trying to help someone you love rebuild their life without also having to prove to other people you care about that the person you love is worth helping. I just pray that I am strong enough to see this through without falling myself.
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« Reply #183 on: February 12, 2012, 03:51:29 am » |
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I've got some money cause I just got paid...True in the literal sense right now. I feel you. I'm in the exact same position. And the advice people give isn't appreciated, is it? 'You've got to put yourself out there'...or...'It will happen when you aren't looking'!!! Well, which one is it for pete's sake? Putting yourself out there when you "aren't looking" leads to getting run over by some maniac texting while driving!!! And it's always the married person who, in my opinion, didn't do THAT well for herself, giving the crap advice. Like the ultimate goal in my life is to end up with 'George-the-nose-picker', like she did. Please, just let me have my Bridget Jones moment and I'll be fine. Mostly.  Thanks for listening. (Like you had a choice) No married people were harmed in the making of this GAH. |
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« Reply #185 on: February 12, 2012, 04:45:48 am » |
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I've got some money cause I just got paid...True in the literal sense right now. I feel you. I'm in the exact same position. And the advice people give isn't appreciated, is it? 'You've got to put yourself out there'...or...'It will happen when you aren't looking'!!! Well, which one is it for pete's sake? Putting yourself out there when you "aren't looking" leads to getting run over by some maniac texting while driving!!! And it's always the married person who, in my opinion, didn't do THAT well for herself, giving the crap advice. Like the ultimate goal in my life is to end up with 'George-the-nose-picker', like she did. Please, just let me have my Bridget Jones moment and I'll be fine. Mostly. Thanks for listening. (Like you had a choice) No married people were harmed in the making of this GAH. I think we've been talking to the same people. Although I tend to get more of the "It will happen when you aren't looking" comments. Seriously though, best of luck to you. I truly hope both of us finds the right person. |
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I've got some money cause I just got paid...True in the literal sense right now. I feel you. I'm in the exact same position. And the advice people give isn't appreciated, is it? 'You've got to put yourself out there'...or...'It will happen when you aren't looking'!!! Well, which one is it for pete's sake? Putting yourself out there when you "aren't looking" leads to getting run over by some maniac texting while driving!!! And it's always the married person who, in my opinion, didn't do THAT well for herself, giving the crap advice. Like the ultimate goal in my life is to end up with 'George-the-nose-picker', like she did. Please, just let me have my Bridget Jones moment and I'll be fine. Mostly. Thanks for listening. (Like you had a choice) No married people were harmed in the making of this GAH. I think we've been talking to the same people. Although I tend to get more of the "It will happen when you aren't looking" comments. Seriously though, best of luck to you. I truly hope both of us finds the right person. Thanks. I hope you don't end up with George-the-nose-picker, either. You don't seem the sort to tolerate that kind of nonsense. |
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« Reply #187 on: February 12, 2012, 04:54:35 am » |
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I've got some money cause I just got paid...True in the literal sense right now. I feel you. I'm in the exact same position. And the advice people give isn't appreciated, is it? 'You've got to put yourself out there'...or...'It will happen when you aren't looking'!!! Well, which one is it for pete's sake? Putting yourself out there when you "aren't looking" leads to getting run over by some maniac texting while driving!!! And it's always the married person who, in my opinion, didn't do THAT well for herself, giving the crap advice. Like the ultimate goal in my life is to end up with 'George-the-nose-picker', like she did. Please, just let me have my Bridget Jones moment and I'll be fine. Mostly. Thanks for listening. (Like you had a choice) No married people were harmed in the making of this GAH. I think we've been talking to the same people. Although I tend to get more of the "It will happen when you aren't looking" comments. Seriously though, best of luck to you. I truly hope both of us finds the right person. Thanks. I hope you don't end up with George-the-nose-picker, either. You don't seem the sort to tolerate that kind of nonsense. I settled when I was dating my last girlfriend. Never again. Never. |
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« Reply #188 on: February 12, 2012, 05:30:43 am » |
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I've got some money cause I just got paid...True in the literal sense right now. I feel you. I'm in the exact same position. And the advice people give isn't appreciated, is it? 'You've got to put yourself out there'...or...'It will happen when you aren't looking'!!! Well, which one is it for pete's sake? Putting yourself out there when you "aren't looking" leads to getting run over by some maniac texting while driving!!! And it's always the married person who, in my opinion, didn't do THAT well for herself, giving the crap advice. Like the ultimate goal in my life is to end up with 'George-the-nose-picker', like she did. Please, just let me have my Bridget Jones moment and I'll be fine. Mostly. Thanks for listening. (Like you had a choice) No married people were harmed in the making of this GAH. I think we've been talking to the same people. Although I tend to get more of the "It will happen when you aren't looking" comments. Seriously though, best of luck to you. I truly hope both of us finds the right person. Thanks. I hope you don't end up with George-the-nose-picker, either. You don't seem the sort to tolerate that kind of nonsense. I settled when I was dating my last girlfriend. Never again. Never. Before I met my loverly wife, I had settled. It's horrid of me to say that, because we WERE happy, but neither of us were really IN love, ya know? She's a great person, and I wish her all the best, too... Sh*te, now I feel bad... I mean, she WAS great, and I DID my best to love her. Hell, she kinda taught me HOW to love again, but... I'm going to shut up now. Digging my hole deeper and deeper. |
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« Reply #189 on: February 12, 2012, 05:34:22 am » |
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« Reply #190 on: February 12, 2012, 05:49:52 am » |
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No worries Xenos. I don't hold any hard feelings towards my ex, I just want her to stay out of my life. We made each other miserable and I don't want to go back through that again.
I know that feeling all to well, as well... I was a bit of a man-whore, so yeah... I've LOTS of ex girlfriends... LOTS. In fact, I believe it was the Corsair who pointed out (and it may have been Augustus Longeye) "Do you know that most of your anecdotes start with 'I dated this one girl?'" |
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No worries Xenos. I don't hold any hard feelings towards my ex, I just want her to stay out of my life. We made each other miserable and I don't want to go back through that again.
I know that feeling all to well, as well... I was a bit of a man-whore, so yeah... I've LOTS of ex girlfriends... LOTS. In fact, I believe it was the Corsair who pointed out (and it may have been Augustus Longeye) "Do you know that most of your anecdotes start with 'I dated this one girl?'" Haha, I hadn't noticed, but I'll start paying attention. I've only ever dated the one girl (*gasp!*) but its no exaggeration that even almost three years after the fact I'm stilling not sure I'm ready to give it another go. I've certainly moved on, but the scars are still there. Gah! |
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No worries Xenos. I don't hold any hard feelings towards my ex, I just want her to stay out of my life. We made each other miserable and I don't want to go back through that again.
I know that feeling all to well, as well... I was a bit of a man-whore, so yeah... I've LOTS of ex girlfriends... LOTS. In fact, I believe it was the Corsair who pointed out (and it may have been Augustus Longeye) "Do you know that most of your anecdotes start with 'I dated this one girl?'" Haha, I hadn't noticed, but I'll start paying attention. I've only ever dated the one girl (*gasp!*) but its no exaggeration that even almost three years after the fact I'm stilling not sure I'm ready to give it another go. I've certainly moved on, but the scars are still there. Gah! Did you ever hear what I told you? Did you ever read what we wrote you? Did you ever listen to the words we played, Did you ever let in what the world said? Did we get this far just to feel your hate? Did we play to become only pawns in a game? How blind can you be, don't you see? You chose the long road, but we'll be waiting- BYE BYE BEAUTIFUL! BYE BYE BEAUTIFUL!!! --- Somehow I think that may be relevant? Even if it's not, Marco's an amazing vocalist... |
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My Grocery store is out of my primary source of carbohydrates that I can eat without getting sick. I'm not sure it's healthy for me to go carbless as I've been so close to minimum levels so long and I may well have developed bloood sugar issues that would mean a crash without something. I don't know of any other sources that are absolutely safe for me and arn't three times more expensive.
I could spend mounds of money on the expensive stuff for a few weeks while I test alternatives to find things that won't kill me. I really wish I had other options. It's really going to be touch and go for a bit as I do my best to keep myself just above collapse with the expensive stuff, and testing new options every week to make sure they are safe and won't make me sicker.
this just after my safe protiens just jumped over a dollar in price.
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I know that feeling all to well, as well... I was a bit of a man-whore, so yeah... I've LOTS of ex girlfriends... LOTS. In fact, I believe it was the Corsair who pointed out (and it may have been Augustus Longeye) "Do you know that most of your anecdotes start with 'I dated this one girl?'" Haha, I hadn't noticed, but I'll start paying attention. I've only ever dated the one girl (*gasp!*) but its no exaggeration that even almost three years after the fact I'm stilling not sure I'm ready to give it another go. I've certainly moved on, but the scars are still there. Gah! Did you ever hear what I told you? Did you ever read what we wrote you? Did you ever listen to the words we played, Did you ever let in what the world said? Did we get this far just to feel your hate? Did we play to become only pawns in a game? How blind can you be, don't you see? You chose the long road, but we'll be waiting- BYE BYE BEAUTIFUL! BYE BYE BEAUTIFUL!!! --- Somehow I think that may be relevant? Even if it's not, Marco's an amazing vocalist... Feeling against exes, eh? Do we have a stance on the mean and cruel exes of current partners? 'Cause I have at least one rant stored up about those |
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I know that feeling all to well, as well... I was a bit of a man-whore, so yeah... I've LOTS of ex girlfriends... LOTS. In fact, I believe it was the Corsair who pointed out (and it may have been Augustus Longeye) "Do you know that most of your anecdotes start with 'I dated this one girl?'" Haha, I hadn't noticed, but I'll start paying attention. I've only ever dated the one girl (*gasp!*) but its no exaggeration that even almost three years after the fact I'm stilling not sure I'm ready to give it another go. I've certainly moved on, but the scars are still there. Gah! Did you ever hear what I told you? Did you ever read what we wrote you? Did you ever listen to the words we played, Did you ever let in what the world said? Did we get this far just to feel your hate? Did we play to become only pawns in a game? How blind can you be, don't you see? You chose the long road, but we'll be waiting- BYE BYE BEAUTIFUL! BYE BYE BEAUTIFUL!!! --- Somehow I think that may be relevant? Even if it's not, Marco's an amazing vocalist... Feeling against exes, eh? Do we have a stance on the mean and cruel exes of current partners? 'Cause I have at least one rant stored up about those Xenos, that song does indeed apply! Its one of my favorites. Lady Ava, I certainly know how you feel. My ex had been in some bad relationships before, and the ghosts of the past were very much still present. |
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