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James Harrison
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« Reply #175 on: June 09, 2012, 03:03:45 pm »

Now with motor fitted and rolling on wheels!

Also begun the body.... a fair few major alterations needed, not least of which is the re-siting and lengthening of the smokebox, and the lengthening of the boiler.  You need to take a few brave pills before cutting up the body, but it all looks good now I've put it back together (having added new smokebox and boiler wrappers from paper to bring it up to length). 

This should turn out a good build....

Oh, and I've decided that I'm going to use that LMS 2P for a Director, then re-use the L1 chassis for a D9.  Basically the same, but with a straight running plate (making for a much easier scratchbuild!)
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« Reply #176 on: June 10, 2012, 04:46:42 pm »



Bit of a difference, no?

Cut through the boiler behind the smokebox, remove the smokebox except for the front, lengthen the boiler with a paper wrap (and force the smokebox front into it), do two more wraps for the smokebox wrapper and then start to build up the splashers and cab sides with plastic sheet. 

Sound simple, but it took two attempts to get it right!

Certainly a difference to what I started with:

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James Harrison
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« Reply #177 on: June 10, 2012, 06:26:29 pm »

Some of my modelling updates of late have been a little.... short (mainly because I've taken to shewing my works on a model railway forum too.... and I tend to go into great detail there, which takes ages, then get a little bit of 'but I've done this once...' when I come here to shew it again). 

So to redress that balance, I'll go into a little more depth now. 

I bought an old Ratio Johnson Midland 4-4-0 kit off of ebay.  It is rather like the old Kitmaster/Airfix/Dapol plastic locomotive kits (I think the closest currently-available look-a-like would be the Dapol City of Truro).  Sadly it's been out of production for many, many years (if you want to buy a new one, start badgering Peco, who own Ratio...) 

What I want to build, however, is a Pollitt 4-4-0 of the Great Central Railway (LNER class D6). 

There are a few differences that immediately jump out between the two:

-1) The GCR loco has a Belpaire firebox (like a cubiform shape with curved edges) whilst the Midland engine has a round-topped firebox with a rather ornate safety valve cover. 

-2) At the other end of the boiler, the GCR loco has a noticeably longer smokebox, a slightly longer boiler barrel and a different set of frames. 

-3) The cab is more enclosed on the GCR loco. 

-4) The GCR loco is much wider (the boiler might even be larger in diameter). 

Now I'm not working off a drawing of the D6, but I do have a couple of good photos that provide enough information for a decent attempt at a kit bash.  In any event, my scratchbuilds don't purport to be millimetre-perfect, but rather attempt to capture the salient points of the prototype (to varying measures of success).

Now then, how did I do it? 

I built the chassis as-per the kit, and fitted slightly larger driving wheels (7' diameter, rather than 6'6''). 

I then moved onto the body.  Beginning by gluing the two halves together, this gives a complete boiler, complete smokebox and two cab sheets.  Now then, cut the boiler just behind the smokebox and sand off all of the detail (handrails, boiler bands- the lot).  Cut the sides of the smokebox away to leave just the smokebox front.  Be careful however not to damage the chimney.  On the boiler, cut around the dome and lift it out (it helps to cut away some of the boiler too, and sand back until you have the dome on its own). 

Cut into the boiler just behind the first boiler band working forwards from the cab.  Extend the cut down until the boiler is half-way cut through, then cut back along the boiler until you reach the cab.  Now take some 0.5mm plastic sheet and cut three rectangles- one the length you've cut out and the width of the boiler (around 19mm by 17mm) and the other two the length of the cut-out by the depth of the gap (around 19mm by 9mm).  Glue these together to form a U-shape, then glue into the boiler where you cut the top away.  Then give this a wrap of paper.  It should look like a Belpaire firebox...

Now cut a strip of paper 63mm wide, and wrap that around the boiler.  Cut away where the paper fouls the wheel splashers (it doesn't matter if the boiler wrapper simply cuts square across at this point- simply use milliput to fill in later).  Push the smokebox front into the new boiler wrapper (the boiler wrapper will need to be cut at the bottom to get it in). 

Now cut two strips of paper 15mm wide and wrap them around the boiler wrapper at the smokebox end.  This creates the new smokebox wrapper. 

Then take some 0.5mm plastic sheet and cut overlays for the cab and the splashers.  We are looking to build up these parts to the thickness of the bottom of the splashers (which are 1mm wider on both sides).  This is complicated- because of the curved shape- so what I did was to try to cut slightly oversize and then carve back with a scalpel.  Where I cut undersize there was little to be done except to go back with milliput later and fill in the gaps.  You can either cut four overlays (by which I mean, the splashers and cab sheets are combined) or eight (by which I mean, the splashers are separate to the cab sheets).  I opted for the latter, to make life slightly easier for myself, and moulded the two together with some milliput later. 

Now you can glue the front of the running plate into position, and you will find that the smokebox doesn't fit into the slot cut for it.  This doesn't matter however, as we need to make new frames- cut some plastic sheet around 30mm in length and 3mm in height, then shape so as to flow into the splashers at the rear, with a diagonal edge to the front.  Behind the smokebox, the frames reduce in height by around 1mm.  This is all much simpler to actually do than it is to describe!

If you've somehow managed to follow these instructions, you should end up with something a little like this:



This is mine, after I filled in all the gaps.... it still needs sanding back....

Now for the tender, you can build the example in the kit (it is more or less the right size), but I'd be inclined to leave the top off, because that bit isn't quite right and has ghastly moulded coal.  Much better to use some scraps of plastic sheet and scratchbuild the tender tanks.... it will also need the moulded lining bands removed and the coal rails replaced. 

It is a nice model though and certainly looks the part, as can be seen:







     
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« Reply #178 on: June 12, 2012, 09:04:32 pm »

Well, a few days' work brings us to this point:





Most of it is built using parts adapted from the kit....

The entire kit cab is in there, hidden under further layers of paper and plastic.... the chimney and dome were cut away from the boiler, then glued back on.... even the tender tank filler cap in fact has been cut off a larger part that I have no use for!  Plastic really is a most forgiving and useful material... it is easy to cut to the shape you want, if you need to build up layers it glues easily, easily sanded or filed or textured....

The tender interior is completely scratchbuilt from paper, using the same method I described when building my D11 and C4. 
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James Harrison
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« Reply #179 on: June 13, 2012, 08:32:49 pm »

Well; I've added safety valves and the whistle (all fabricated from a mixture of 0.5mm plastic sheet and 1mm plastic rod).  Also started the front footsteps.  We're nearly there now!

On the other hand; I've decided this one is just too nice for a 1930s black job.  I'm going for a late-20s apple green look.  Which is nice, except for the fact I don't have any apple green paint  Cheesy

Frustratingly I'm now going to have to wait until Saturday when I can get to a model shop to go any further with it  Sad
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« Reply #180 on: June 14, 2012, 08:13:19 pm »

And now we're into primer!  Really getting close to the final finishing details now....

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I've gone for a grey first coat this time for three main reasons;

1) As a test of the colour for a planned project (though it seems to me to be too light and too far into the yellow spectrum.  It needs to be darker and 'bluer'.) 

2) Because if I painted it black, it might be a absolute pain in the proverbial to get a good cover of green;

3) Because if I painted it black, I might decide to keep it in black  Cheesy
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« Reply #181 on: June 16, 2012, 01:12:22 pm »

Beginning to put on the final coats...

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Picked myself up a couple of tins of apple green paint this morning to finish it off... then remembered I'd forgotten the 'sticky labels' I'm planning to use for lining and boiler bands just as I got home and sat down....  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #182 on: June 16, 2012, 07:19:14 pm »

Now in green!



First coat of apple green acrylic, and I'm not that keen on the qualities of the paint.  Not enough covering power and a finish that looks more dirty drab oliver than a nice upbeat mid-green.  Shall see if a second coat of the same stuff improves matters...
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« Reply #183 on: June 22, 2012, 11:48:18 am »

There's not much progress to show from recently I'm afraid... I've been trying to get a decent finish to the paintwork (also, I was appalled by the state of the 'mess' around the boiler).  So I've most been filling, filing, sanding and painting back in, trying to get a halfway acceptable finish.  And I might, just, have reached that point. 







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« Reply #184 on: June 26, 2012, 08:05:57 pm »

Now with safety valves (whitemetal casting from Craftsman kits), but I managed to knock the whistle off and lose it....



It's also had another coat of paint, maybe another two to go.  And then I get to muck up the lining beyond all redemption.... a job I'm really looking forward to  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #185 on: June 29, 2012, 07:47:25 pm »

Finished! (Well, ish....)





There's precious little I can say about this model, which hasn't been said before.  I am really happy with the white and black lining- I used printer paper to lay down a 1mm strip where lining was required, then after the glue had dried (I used watered-down PVA to set it in position) I went over it with a fountain pen to get the black centre band. 

All that is left to do is supply a crew, a new whistle (should have been the original supplied in the kit, but it seems to have disappeared from the box), some final touching-in on the paint job and to solder the wires to the motor (luckily the body is currently removable to allow just such an operation). 

Next project: 

Converting a Hornby 2P into a 'Director'.  Then my existing 'Director' will surrender its chassis for a D9.
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« Reply #186 on: June 30, 2012, 04:03:52 pm »

My next project!



An overlay of the box art for a Hornby 2P, over an Ian Beattie drawing of a Director.  I'm going to use the chassis from a Triang L1 to power this model; the 2P chassis may then be used for a planned model of a D9. 

As to the work itself; the boiler needs to be raised, lengthened and generally bulked-up.  The footplate needs lengthening, and a set of reverse curves adding in.  The cab needs attention. 

Hmmm....
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« Reply #187 on: July 03, 2012, 11:15:49 am »

I began on Sunday by cutting the 2P up.  The body was removed from the chassis, which was then returned to the box (ready for another project), and then I set-to with a saw, tweezers and pliers.  Begin by removing all of the separate detail parts- handrails, steampipes and the like- then very carefully cut the boiler away from the footplate with a saw.  Before doing anything however, decide on a datum point on the footplate from which to measure/extend/cut.  The obvious point on this model is the middle of the front splasher. 

Once all broken down, you should have

-the running plate

-the boiler

-the smokebox

-the cab

all as separate parts.  Remove the dome and chimney, and sand off the boiler bands.  We're trying to get as smooth a surface as possible on the boiler, to simplify bulking it out at a later stage. 

Move onto the running plate.  You will note how the raised sections of the plate on the 2P and the Director are almost exactly the same length; it is the lower parts of the plate that need to be lengthened.  I chose to cut just in front of the smokebox saddle to enable a 9mm stretcher piece to be inserted; a procedure that will need to be repeated later at the rear end of the loco. 

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« Reply #188 on: July 06, 2012, 12:00:56 pm »

I've just taken delivery of a new toy... a lining pen.... let's see how it works...



Oooohhhhhh..... very neat for only a second go....
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« Reply #189 on: July 08, 2012, 11:00:35 am »

And practically finished!  (I've painted the handrail since adding it).... just a final coat of varnish needed....


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« Reply #190 on: July 10, 2012, 01:34:44 am »

     I just bought a Lockheed P-38 Lightning model/ kit which I plan on building (eventually). I have never built one of these kits before and am very afraid that it will be much more difficult than it looks. Any advice for someone new to this hobby?
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« Reply #191 on: July 10, 2012, 05:41:47 pm »

Take it easy, carefully and slowly.  If something won't go right the first time, stop a while and come back to it later. 

Follow the instructions. 

Use a knife or scissors to remove the parts from the plastic runners, and some emery paper or nail files to clean up rough edges. 

Paint small parts on the runners before removing them or gluing them onto the model. 

If you're planning to build some more models invest in a couple of tools:
- a modellers' tool kit (generally consists of a couple of small saw blades, 20 or so scalpel blades and handles, bradawl, tweezers and a mitre block)
- some really good tweezers
- a couple of small watchmakers'/ jewellers' screwdrivers and drillbits
- a set square
- clamps, supports and anything else that will alow you to move around or handle the model whilst it is wet/ hot/ parts need to be held together whilst gluing etc etc etc.

Most of all, have fun!
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« Reply #192 on: July 14, 2012, 05:48:30 pm »

Let's see how the D10 is getting on...

From my previous post (cutting the model up) I moved on to extending the boiler.  Basically this consisted of wrapping the plastic parts up in paper until they were the correct length for the new engine, and the correct diameter.  I then started building up my new frames using the cut-up originals and some 0.5mm plastic strip.  Here we see the new boiler (finished) rested upon the extended frames (fairly flimsy) in turn rested upon the chassis (which dates from the 1960s).



I then set about building the frames up into something that would actually support their own weight as well as that of the rest of the locomotive.  I cut a sheet of 0.5mm plastic to the size and shape of the running plate, then cut out an aperture for the motor but also for the parts of the Hornby frames I was re-using.  This I glued to the tops of the Hornby frames, which then served to consolidate the four pieces of those frames into something with a little more strength:



At the same time I added the smokebox saddle....

I then added some pieces of 3mm balsa to give a good large area for the adhesive to bond to when it came to attaching the boiler to the frames- these can be seen behind the leading splasher.  They will be covered in when I finally get around to building my new splashers.  

This morning I managed to buy some 2mm by 2.5mm plastic strip, which I have used to model the built-out sections of the running plate.  This has also added some degree of structural strength to them.  

Finally, I began the cab:



I re-used the cab from my donor model, except for it being too short, too low and too narrow.  I cut the sides off of it, discarded the rest, added overlays to those sides and built a new spectacle plate before drafting out a net of the cab on paper and wrapping it around the three sides.  
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« Reply #193 on: July 23, 2012, 06:21:56 pm »

New splashers built, chimney, smokebox door, dome and safety valves transferred from the condemned D10 to the new one (leaving only the nameplates to switch over when finished). 

In other news, I've bought a Hornby Flying Scotsman and a Great Northern Railway tender top.  The two are going to be forced together coerced into one; so giving me an LNER A1 in 1920s condition (before the introduction of those huge corridor tenders). 
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« Reply #194 on: July 28, 2012, 03:04:52 pm »

Few days with nothing to post!  I've been taking a break from my models to crack the whip with my architectural portfolio. 

And now that I'm back on them, I'm taking the D10 off the heat and onto the back burner.  I've done some filling-in on it to remove the gaps but aside from that nothing really. 

I'm moving more toward finally finishing my Hobbies 'Arrow' 1920s pond launch replica.... I would post photos (some may recall the original thread for that model here), but the camera has gone and died on me....

So far I've managed to repair part of the mahogany deck strip, which had snapped, and clean up the hull a little.  Now I'm off to buy some car paints for it.... I'm thinking cream for above the waterline and matt black for below, some gilt edging under the rubbing strake using my easi-liner and a mahogany barrel-back deck over the forecastle instead of an aluminium cowling. 
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« Reply #195 on: July 29, 2012, 04:33:43 pm »

Onwards with the Velinheli... I'm determined to finish it this year... well in one guise or another it has been languishing for the best part of a decade....



I took the boiler off of its stand, or rather extracted the boiler stand from the engine.  I then cut away at the points where it meets the boiler, to reduce its height by approximately 12mm.  This will bring the metacentric height of the boat (it's vertical centre of gravity) down, thus making it more stable.  When I have floated her before, the weight of the engine and its height has served to make her very tender.... I don't want her first voyage to also be her last!



I've also given her a first coat of paint.  Matt cream acrylic from an aerosol.  Now waiting for it to dry....
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« Reply #196 on: July 30, 2012, 11:31:00 am »

This just goes to show how some projects can get bogged down frustratingly close to completion.  From where I reached two years ago, and then stopped, it has taken me four days (or, more accurately, about six hours spread over four days) to reach a point where when the final part arrives it can go in the water. 



An overall view of the model shews how I've placed the engine in temporarily so I can get an idea of placements, heights, clearances and proportions....



I've also changed my colour scheme a little.  Originally it was going to be cream above the waterline and black below, but when painting in the black it kind of... went all Pete Tong.  Anyway.  It gave me the opportunity to have a bit of a rethink.  Most of the hull is going to be underwater... from float tests previously on a hull of 2'' moulded depth there is about 0.75' freeboard.  So if I had gone with the cream colour scheme, it would have looked 'odd' out of the water.  Like an oil tanker looks 'odd' when steaming empty. 

So taking inspiration from the 'Aurora' in A Study in Scarlet, I decided to go for a black paint job instead, livened up by painting the rubbing strakes white and keeping the coaming and deck in varnished mahogany.  I think this actually looks quite nice. 

You can see too how I've started the barrel back deck forwards.  I'm using mahogany strip- which is to say, I'm cutting mahogany into strips- and as it has taken me 20 minutes to cut two strips for the amidships coaming I imagine it will take some time, blood sweat and swearing!  Cheesy
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« Reply #197 on: July 30, 2012, 05:54:58 pm »

That is really cool there.

Good Show!
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« Reply #198 on: July 31, 2012, 08:55:11 am »

I consider this one a success thus far in that I floated it yesterday and it had only three small leaks, one of which I expected anyway (around the prop shaft). More usually when I build these things, the first floating resembles a scene from Titanic, swiftly followed by The Poseidon Adventure  Cheesy  

So things still to do on this one:

- Fill leaks
-Add ballast
-Fit running gear
-Fit engine/propshaft joint
-Complete foredeck

That is really cool there.

Good Show!


Thanks!
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« Reply #199 on: August 03, 2012, 11:43:37 am »

After a fair bit of sanding, filling and fitting of new parts, the Director is coming along nicely too....



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