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Author Topic: Vicious, condescending article on "Science 2.0"  (Read 1726 times)
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« on: February 04, 2011, 01:19:46 am »

http://www.science20.com/cool-links/victorian_secret_girls_steampunk-75825

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If you're a Steampunk fan, you are not used to seeing hot girls.   Oh, and you think it's 1995.

Just kidding, there is no better time than going to a local coffee house and seeing a Steampunk club meeting.   It's creative stuff.   But the girls do need work.


I am nearly speechless.  I want to call the guy out, but he is beneath such things.  Horsewhipped in the public square would be more fitting.



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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2011, 01:33:17 am »

*Shrugs* There Are No Women On The Internet, either.
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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2011, 01:40:45 am »

to paraphrase: steampunk is 1995, and steampunk women aren't hot, so you should go read a comic?  I'm not following the logic...
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2011, 02:40:55 am »

Presumably the author is made out of pure 100% awesome, and only dates women who are both supermodels and also secret agents or Nobel nominees. Not some weasel-boy sitting alone in his apartment and blogging every night.
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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2011, 04:15:49 am »

Even if what Mr Boltneck says was precisely the case, the idea that any women -- wait, sorry, girls -- "need work", be they steampunk or otherwise, is deeply insulting. Just as with any sample group of women, some steampunk women are conventionally "hot" and dress thus, and most aren't. The ones who aren't don't "need work", they need pigs like him to get over themselves and stop telling them that.
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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2011, 05:51:12 am »

Say what?

I have scads of photographs of a variety of ladies from the last Steamcon. And all were quite lovely.
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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2011, 06:00:29 am »

Even if what Mr Boltneck says was precisely the case, the idea that any women -- wait, sorry, girls -- "need work", be they steampunk or otherwise, is deeply insulting. Just as with any sample group of women, some steampunk women are conventionally "hot" and dress thus, and most aren't. The ones who aren't don't "need work", they need pigs like him to get over themselves and stop telling them that.
Agreed.
This is the real problem with the "article".
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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2011, 08:08:33 am »

How sad.  Seems the same kind of prejudices exist in other countries.  I have read nearly identical comments expressed by a popular tech blogger an others at msn in Mexico, but mixed with even more inflammatory and racist remarks regarding the assumed impropriety of  the average-looking Mexican assuming a Victorian persona.

Apart from their own prejudices on people who look different, what strikes me is that they pass judgment without even the remotest level of experience or knowledge on the subject.
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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2011, 08:51:29 am »

Having gone to the website with my umbrage all prepared to be taken, I have read through the little spiel (I won't call it a blog, because three paragraphs is pathetically short for a blog), scrolled down to the picture section, and had a moment of realisation .... this man is pimping the Steampunk Palin 'comic' ... clearly he has no functioning braincells, and all his comments can be immediately disregarded.
On a side note 'victorian secret' underwear .... pah! 
A, the concept artist has never seen a woman (outside of internet porn); and B, the concept artist has never looked at any victorian underwear whatsoever.
I think that I'll pack up my outrage now and save it for worthier opponents  Grin

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However, I quite like her parasol (though without the rather phallic light attachment on the handle)
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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2011, 12:12:57 pm »

Well, I guess there is definitvely a point there: if you're going to get yourself noticed (to dress differently in a clear and visible way, as Steampunks do, for example), you better look good or develop a thick skin. Anyone who attracts attention will attract criticism as well.
For example, I've never noticed as many ugly people as in the Japanese Cultural expo here. It's not that there is an uglier-than-usual ratio there, it's just they dress so noticeable that you see them more. But they don't care: it's part of the deal.

That said, I also think that Victorian clothes are about the best ones to shape and hide bodies: corsets, waistcoats, hats, ample dresses... And Steampunk offers a large set of accessories to divert attention from  body-parts which you want ignored. Therefore, a Steampunk has same or more potential than any other subculture to look really good. As many do, by the way.
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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2011, 01:02:34 pm »

Another room temperature IQ blogger fancying himself as a polymath.  Unfortunately, such folks are not an endangered species. markf
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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2011, 02:32:29 pm »

The only minor problems with that article is that it's factually incorrect and written by an utter cock.

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« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2011, 02:46:13 pm »

The only minor problems with that article is that it's factually incorrect and written by an utter cock.
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« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2011, 04:08:56 pm »

Oh, am I ugly? Huh, I better cancel the modelling job I had lined up for next month then.....
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« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2011, 04:32:24 pm »

"How to get the most replies on your blog"
Lesson one. Write something insulting that doesn't have anything to do with the truth.
Lesson two. Wait....
Lesson three. Answer some replies with eaven more insults.
Lesson for. Repeat lesson 2 and 3 over and over again, untill nobody responds.

I know there is a little thing called "freedom of speach" but can't we sue this @$$ for tampering the integrity of Steampunk. Or for Blasphemy because Steampunk is a religion? I don't know...
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« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2011, 04:45:00 pm »

idungeddit..Girls can only be hot if they prance around in their underwear?
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« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2011, 04:49:05 pm »

Don't hate the poor schlub. He is a victim, trapped in his upbringing.
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« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2011, 04:59:14 pm »

Screw him and the equine transport he arrived on.

He's probably never met a woman.
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« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2011, 06:57:13 pm »

That's just... I don't even... wha? I have never read anything more... blegh in my life.
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« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2011, 08:43:51 am »

*Shrugs* There Are No Women On The Internet, either.

So *that*'s why I keep getting mistaken for a guy around here.... ^^
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« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2011, 12:16:20 pm »

Okay I took down the post that I had put here because it has come to my attention that it was a forgery.  I do not want to continue reposing it in that case.  

I think who ever said those things did so because they new it would touch a nerve and get to the community.  I am sorry I was taken in by it.  

The article on the other hand is still vile as I will concentrate my death ray in that direction.
 
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« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2011, 12:47:08 pm »


As for the guys in this scene..everyone of them seems to think he's an expert in a new scene that actually has no rules. So any idiot who claims to be an expert in Steampunk should be ridiculed for their arrogance and ignorance. let's hope my next event goes smooth in March. WWWCON RULES! In fact I made sure that I only put up pictures of hotties on my event site, how else will I tell girls what they should dress like for this event.

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Just pinching this quote from your post, Quickfire.  I too have read this individual's posts, and his views relating to women of steampunk.  Is he trying to be ironic?  Sarcastic?  Honest?  Funny?  Downright rude and insulting?  If he is trying to do any of these, apart from the last, he fails on so many levels.  

In the piece I chose to quote from Prof K. Killjoy, I have rarely seen someone contradict themselves so well.  I would make a point of going to one of his events to (euphamistically) 'have a word in his shell like, and point out the error of his ways', possibly 'have a strong disagreement of opinion', even a 'clash of personalities'.  As it is, I think he's done a good job of ostracising himself from the SP community.
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« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2011, 12:54:39 pm »

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« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2011, 02:29:18 pm »

But I'm not fat or old.... I'm 25 and a size 10! What a twat....
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« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2011, 02:52:47 pm »

Seems Professor Killian Killjoy is none other than Ryan McMann, the president of the Wild Wild West Con (WWWCON) executives.  But it would appear that someone has hijacked his name to write that piece, for their own nefarious reasons.

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