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Author Topic: Starwars on Steam - for those of you interested in putting one together  (Read 20906 times)
Tel Janin
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« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2007, 05:44:37 am »

I like the idea of a giant mechanical flying island for the Death Star. Like a small mountain that's been ripped out of the ground and has pipes and steam vents all through it.

"Maybe he's heading for that cloud."
"That's no cloud... It's a flying fortress."

And Lucas Walker works for his uncle on their desert edge farm. He shoots jackals from his Skyhopper, a steam powered foil that utilizes ground effect.
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« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2007, 06:17:03 am »

the braids of his  victims hanging from his helmet

He has braided Wookiee pelts that hang from his shoulders.

Either way (and we don't have to be too specific) I think some kind of large, tribal, facial tattoo might be in order.
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« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2007, 06:34:29 am »

Hmm.
Looks like the big debate will turn out to be Air, or Ocean.

If you go Air, then you get the advantage of a giant floating Zeppelin/castle in the sky, constantly surrounded by clouds and whisps of steam. Obscured, ominous and fantastic all at the same time. However, you get the disadvantage of having no real aircraft to take it on. Unless you translated the final 'trench run' scene into a Tripods-style Balloon bombing run to drop the charges down the unprotected exhaust vent in the top. Hey- that makes sense. That is exactly where there would be no armor. Right in the centre, on top.

Ocean based lends itself more to a 20,000 leagues Nemo-inspired submarine threat, and more realistic sail technology on your craft.

Of course you could do a more direct translation and have Victorian-era sailing ships navigating the solar system by sailing on the Aetheric winds.... Nah. Too direct. There would be very little interpretation in that.


My solution? Combine Air and Ocean. The predominant power would be naval, with emergent air technology. Sea battles would look something like this:

<img src="http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f213/5tephe/my_hand_art/steam_wars_handsketch.jpg" />

Sombody suggested earlier that the Mechanical falcon could be a hydrofoil that could take to the air for brief periods, didn't they? Wel, that sounds perfect for a smuggler. A Rhett Butler type blockade runner. A port is embargoed, and in the middle of the night the ships anchored at the perimiter hear an approaching craft... The noise changes, and they look around, but none of them thinks to look up. And Hanson Lone has slipped past yet another Imperial entanglement....
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« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2007, 10:00:46 am »

Regarding Boba Fett: Why not model him as the 'great white hunter' who has 'gone native' a bit. You could give him Celtic origins, allowing that sort of iconography and such. Dress him up in feudal armour - as it is he wears ancient armour - Give him a Teslarised Elephant gun, and things picked up from African tribes - Wrist mounted dart gun (etc), 'Trophies', Small Zulu shield etc.

Oh, and a rocket pack. 



+EDIT+ If I have any free time, I may get back to you on this.
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« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2007, 10:50:20 am »

i like this thought.

maybe keep him completely tribal.  Not wrist mounted dart guns, but actual dart guns, etc.

i will think about it over the next couple of hours....


I am still thinking the floating island that is surrounded at all times by airships would be a cool idea.  When it is attacked by sea, the airships kick into gear and pull the whole thing (or most of it) out of the water making it about 6 times the size of threat it was when they first engage it.

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« Reply #30 on: March 07, 2007, 09:46:17 pm »

Hmm.
Looks like the big debate will turn out to be Air, or Ocean.

If you go Air, then you get the advantage of a giant floating Zeppelin/castle in the sky, constantly surrounded by clouds and whisps of steam. Obscured, ominous and fantastic all at the same time. However, you get the disadvantage of having no real aircraft to take it on. Unless you translated the final 'trench run' scene into a Tripods-style Balloon bombing run to drop the charges down the unprotected exhaust vent in the top. Hey- that makes sense. That is exactly where there would be no armor. Right in the centre, on top.

Exactly. While there is plenty of potential in a Napoleonic Star Wars (France even had an Emperor!! I know because we have to watch out for each other Wink ) one of the advantages of Steampunk is that it almost by definition contains strangely anachronistic science.

So for air vehicles we have:

1. Airships -  zeppelins, dirigibles, blimps
2. Balloons
3. Gyrocopters
4. Flapping flight machines - in real life they never got off the ground but here they should be fine.
5. Kites, possibly with rockets
6. Gliders
7. Mad science - once you mix in the more fantastical elements from early sci-fi nearly anything is up for grabs.

So we could have vast slow moving weapons platforms (airships standing in for Star Destroyers and possibly also the Death Star) as well as faster moving craft could lead to:

The Battle of Yavin where Lucas Walker's plucky squadron of pilots in their X-Wing gyrocopters fly at the Doom Moon getting below the level of the steam-powered Gatling guns fling low around the circumference until they find the only chink the armour (the chimney for the steam engine) and he drops his only bomb right down it (as they did in WWI by leaning out and doing it by hand). My main concern would be it might be tricky giving a sense of the scale but we could have it surrounded by clouds and the command gondola would all help.

Equally if the Death Star is redone as Mobile Island Attack Fortress it doesn't mean we can't do something similar with various flying machines flitting amongst the barrage balloons trying to get a bomb into the inside it (down a lava tube?).

Either one I think we'll be able to muster a good range of flying vehicles to take it on.
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« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2007, 04:04:46 am »

One flying device that would be perfect for the X-wings would be a dual-winged ornithopter, each pair flapping in oppisite directions.

Oh, and here's the plane that would make a nice model for the Millineum Falcon.
Lovely!
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Tel Janin
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« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2007, 05:16:22 am »

The deathstar equivalent should definitely be shrouded in a cloud of smog, making it look ominous and stormy.

Robert Fett: The son of a great white hunter, raised tarzan-like in the jungle among the tribes, but armed with his father's tesla rifle.

Would Jabba be a Boss Hogg-like cowboy or an oriental crime boss? Perhaps something altogether different?

The empire's arsenal should be simple machines, produced on an immense scale. I like the idea of Kites for TIE fighters.

The rebel fleet can have more adventurous designs like ornithopters.

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« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2007, 06:09:29 am »

Sir Andrew:

That's beautiful.

And as for tie-fighter kites: YES.
Dual box kites with the pilot sitting in a harness between the two, piloting a surface craft (sea or land) via a system of cables. They could swoop and soar like a kite, and control their gross positioning by steering the surface craft.

(Damnit! I said I wasn't going to get involved.)
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« Reply #34 on: March 08, 2007, 07:05:23 am »

Would Jabba be a Boss Hogg-like cowboy or an oriental crime boss? Perhaps something altogether different?

Well more Boss Hogg but with touches of the Orient - so some bloated criminal reclining on cushions with gaming tables, ladies of loose morals, opium, etc.

The empire's arsenal should be simple machines, produced on an immense scale. I like the idea of Kites for TIE fighters.

Yes I envisioned them like fancy box kites. The pilot is suspended inside the box and the wings are outriggers for extra stability. Throw in some blackpowder-stuffed rockets for an extra turn of speed (and a dash of danger).

The rebel fleet can have more adventurous designs like ornithopters.

It is a good idea - you could see they have had to push the technological envelope to give themselves an edge so they have all sorts of mad designs. Yes that dual-winged ornithopter looks great and anything that gets me humming "Those Magnificent Men in Their Flying Machines" has to be a good thing. In fact it could be the rebel anthem Wink
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« Reply #35 on: March 08, 2007, 09:06:04 pm »

Chewbacca in Steampunk? Surely he should be called Tobacca
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« Reply #36 on: March 08, 2007, 11:04:45 pm »

I'd like to see the Doom Moon (or the name that it was assigned, I cannot recall now) with steam generating camoflague surrounding it - it pumps out steam that quickly turns to cooler watervapor, creating a veil of cloud even in clear skies.  Of course, it's easier to hide in real clouds, but then you get the...

"We'll head for those stormclouds over there..."
"That's no cloud."
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« Reply #37 on: March 08, 2007, 11:08:58 pm »

I think that your Death Star variation should be approached in a totally different way. Currently it just sounds like a new version of the floating fortress in Steamboy.
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« Reply #38 on: March 08, 2007, 11:10:32 pm »

I don't see why no one is making a deal out of steampunk boba. All those gadgets, oh the possibilities!!!
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« Reply #39 on: March 09, 2007, 05:09:09 am »

I'd like to see the Doom Moon (or the name that it was assigned, I cannot recall now) with steam generating camoflague surrounding it - it pumps out steam that quickly turns to cooler watervapor, creating a veil of cloud even in clear skies.  Of course, it's easier to hide in real clouds, but then you get the...

"We'll head for those stormclouds over there..."
"That's no cloud."


I like it. It would be the ideal camouflage for a mile-wide dirigible (hardly the stealthiest of craft). Ironically I was just posting about cloudships which could fit with that.

Also I don't really see either as being too much like the Steam Castle - the Doom Moon isn't (its really an airship version of the Death Star) and while the island suggestion does have similarities (it is what I first thought of), such island haunts are always excellent hideaways for villains and using weird science and making it move is a natural extension of The Mysterious Island.
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« Reply #40 on: March 09, 2007, 10:46:04 pm »

A floating island hidden within stormclouds? Are you sure you haven't  been watching Laputa lately?

If you haven't seen Laputa, please watch it, for the opening credits alone.
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« Reply #41 on: March 09, 2007, 11:25:00 pm »

I think that your Death Star variation should be approached in a totally different way. Currently it just sounds like a new version of the floating fortress in Steamboy.

I must agree with you there...
Not that Steamboy wasnt a great movie Wink

The deathstar equivalent should definitely be shrouded in a cloud of smog, making it look ominous and stormy.

That i think could work, as long as we dont go with the Steamboy fortress look.

Sir Andrew, nice idea for the Falcon, i like it  Grin but bigger, as i think you may have already thought.

SO, how are these Storm Troopers variations going to work? Any ideas?
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Tel Janin
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« Reply #42 on: March 10, 2007, 02:13:10 am »

Stormtroopers: endless legions of soldiers wearing white greatcoats, carrying muskets.

White uniforms were actually pretty common in the late 18th, early 19th centuries so little modification is necessary other than to make it period.
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« Reply #43 on: March 10, 2007, 10:12:53 pm »

Stormtroopers: endless legions of soldiers wearing white greatcoats, carrying muskets.

White uniforms were actually pretty common in the late 18th, early 19th centuries so little modification is necessary other than to make it period.

Which reminds me:
In my opinion the empire itself sounds most like WWI-WWII Germany, which would also explain it's gratuitous use of "Star Destroyer" zepplins...
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« Reply #44 on: March 11, 2007, 03:36:29 am »

Hi, new here.

Woah. This actually sounds like an idea I've been kicking around for years. I was actually going to draw up some art and post it, but, since its already here, more or less, I'll just jump right in . . .

The Stormtroopers. White coats, rifles, and gas masks. Think Major Maxim from the Danger Girl comic. Baron Vaderous can be a larger version, no coat, just armor, mask, and helmet. Why mess with what works so well? Same for the Emperor, really.
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« Reply #45 on: March 11, 2007, 03:58:52 am »

Which reminds me:
In my opinion the empire itself sounds most like WWI-WWII Germany, which would also explain it's gratuitous use of "Star Destroyer" zepplins...

So, were talking one HUGE airship as the "Doom Moon" and zepplins for the Star Destroyers, which would work nicely i think.
On the Stormtroopers....
The Stormtroopers. White coats, rifles, and gas masks.

whats the point of the Gas Masks again?
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« Reply #46 on: March 11, 2007, 04:03:06 am »

whats the point of the Gas Masks again?

If we're going for the "faceless legions of terror" look, then they need to have their faces covered. Gas masks leapt immeditly to mind.
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« Reply #47 on: March 11, 2007, 04:06:03 am »

More importantly, do you really need a reason for gas masks? I think not. Gas masks make everything better.
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« Reply #48 on: March 11, 2007, 04:09:42 am »

More importantly, do you really need a reason for gas masks? I think not. Gas masks make everything better.

Pretty much, yeah.
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« Reply #49 on: March 11, 2007, 04:19:47 am »

So, were going for the evil look and scary. Essentially to scare the enemy?

Why not just normal masks?
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