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« on: March 03, 2007, 12:15:15 am »

found that on boing boing and thought it would perfectly fit in this forum Smiley

http://ericpoulton.blogspot.com/search/label/steampunk%20star%20wars

hope noone has posted it already
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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2007, 12:53:30 am »

LOL... (points to the Tactile forum)... Not laughing at you, just the comment at the end of your post.  Cheesy
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« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2007, 01:19:43 am »

uhm well... ok
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searched the forum for star wars before posting and didnt find it so i thought i just give it a try



and by the way: i like the Steampunk comic by Chris Bachalo ^^ AND Battlechasers was also one of my favorites when i was in highschool, but you know: tastes differ  Grin
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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2007, 01:22:08 am »

Yeah the only thing I didn't like about Steampunk is that they tried to market it like they created some new genre for their comic. Which they didn't, and they knew very well they didn't.

I bought the first two Battlechasers issues, and thought it mediocre at best, also not very representative of Steampunk. About as representative as Warcraft.
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« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2007, 01:56:31 am »

I agree with that, BUT again its a matter of taste wether you like the drawing style or not.
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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2007, 09:17:44 am »

Hello All,

Glad to see people are interested in doing this.  I understand time considerations, so what I propose is to just put together one or two scenes to see if everything works out, how the thing looks, etc.  If we are not satisfied at that point, we can cut it there, shake hands and find other fun things to do....


Emporer sent me a message yesterday and I hope he doesn't mind me pasting it here, because they were all very good ideas.

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I've given this a bit more thought and it strikes me that if we can thrash out the   Star Wars-Steampunk equivalents then everything else should flow from there (as the plot has been done even if some elements will change depending on the new plot elements.

I'll have a proper brainstorm later and throw in ideas to kick around but some initial thoughts:

Names

While we don't have to change the names for copyright reasons we might want to for extra Steampunk points so:


Han Solo becomes Hanson Singular - I also like the idea of making him even more of a cowboy (as I'm a fan of the Weird West)
Darth Vader becomes Baron Vadoir - I played with a few names and liked the idea of making him sound a bit French (as a Victorian influenced villain would probably come from the other side of the Channel).
I was thinking we could tweak things and call Chewbacca a Wookey after Wookey Hole.

The world

We both mentioned preferring a terrestrial setting and I think it'll work better. The various planets all have different characters and they'd be accommodated nicely on a planet. Perhaps one main continent (with scatterings of islands for more obscure areas) and I was thinking to keep it interesting place it south of the equator so Hoth (or its equivalent) would be the South Pole, Dagobah would lie on the equator with Tatooine south of that. Most of the planets are generally temperate which suggests they'd occupy the central region. An interesting idea might be to have them as city states. The Wikipedia entry sums the general politics up nicely:


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City-states have contributed to the development of civilization in a measure vastly disproportionate to their size. Among the most creative periods in human history are those in which humanity organized itself in small independent centers. Modern Europe owes much of its civilization to three such periods -- the ancient tribes of Israel, the small Greek city-states, and the city-states of Renaissance Italy. However, these small creative groupings usually survived for only short periods of time because they lacked the size and strength to defend themselves against the onslaught of larger social entities. In addition, the success of small regional units coexisting as disunited parts of a loose geographical and cultural unity, as in Italy or Hellas (Greece), acted as a barrier to the creation of larger national units with greater staying power. Thus, they inevitably gave way to larger organizations of society, the empire and eventually the nation-state..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_state

As the heavily populated planets were centres of civilization but their alliances were in flux and fell to the Empire.

Possibly have them linked with railroads suggesting the various trade routes and as they head north to the desert areas (like the westward expansion of the American railroad network) things get more lawless.

As has been raised (by the lucky find of the Darth Vader armour) it would make sense to have the Empire spreading out from the East (also giving a nod to Mordor) although, as I mentioned above, I quite liked the idea of giving Vader a French feel. In Victoria times the two main "enemies" would be France and (as well laid out by Jess Nevins in his Fantastic Victoriana) the "Yellow Peril." Not incompatible as the Empire would absorb a number of cultures and it would seem more a mix of Japanese and Chinese (Mongol even?).

Jedis? I like your idea about the Sikhs and perhaps not be too explicit about drawing on any one culture so a pseudo-religious fighting school drawing on Sikhism, Shaolin and Bushido. Possibly have them based in a high mountain range centrally placed (hinting at the Himalayas). Tough fighting mountain monks also brings to mind the Yamabushi.

So things that might suggest a real world analogy but mixing elements up an drawing on a number of sources.

Vehicles

The spacecraft can be a range of airships and other unlikely machines including steam-powered gyrocopters and rocket-powered kites (possible Tie Fighters?). I am trying to think of best approach for the Millennium Falcon - possibly a disc-shaped airship but it'd need a good turn of speed so perhaps not. Ooooo just as I was about to send it. How about an actual falcon or another big bird (lammergeier?) or a mechanical bird. How about the Mechanical Falcon?

The Death Star equivalent came to me in a flash. The idea of an island was interesting but a it limited. Instead I came up with: The Doom Moon. A vast spherical, armour plated, dirigible. It moves from the power of two windmill like turbines on the poles and is powered by massive steam engines around the equator with pipes transferring steam to gun platforms and the Superlaser. This is a steam-powered mass driver. the "eye" is the mouth of a huge cannon. On the reverse side of the moon large cranes lower house-sized rocks into the back, the breech is closed and vast amounts of steam build up firing the rock out into the city below. It has the destructive ability to level a city.

Outtings

Some people have suggested adapting all 6 films graphic novel-style which seems a bit excessive and one wonders if the novelty might wear off half way through. might not and it'd be doable (although it might be enough to make George Lucas unhappy) and we can possibly cross that bridge when we come to it. For now it would seem more sensible to do a few snapshots of the world with the Steampunk twist.

When I thought of the Doom Moon I pictured a brief scene revolving around the destruction of Alderaan (or Alderman perhaps?) which would make a small self-contained scene. I can work that up as an example.

It seems like a few artists are interested and that is always good (as their availability can be the real sticking point in such endeavours) and shorter pieces (initially) would mean they could get involved without having to comic lots of time.

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I'll have to give this more thought as Steampunk Star Wars seems uninspired. Stars under Steam? I don't know. Air Wars? Aether Wars?

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Right sorry about that. It started off much shorter but I did a bit of branstorming on the fly (especially the Mechanical Falcon). They are all discussion points so feel free to discard, twist, tweak, etc. I'll work on a few more ideas and throw them in for discussion.

Sorry for banging on there once I started on it other bits slotted into plce (so it is a bit rambling as other other ideas fitted in with things that had previously been said.

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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2007, 09:32:46 am »

some of my comments to these ideas would be:

The airship-deathstar could be cool, but I would have to be convinced.  I think if we had an island that moved, that would give us a real "Pirates" sort of a feel.  If the island where tethered by airships, having the ability to utilize these balloons to raise out of the water to its full size, you would then get the "tip of the ice berg" feel for the vastness of this thing.  No reason it can't be HUGE.

The M.F.  I think it might be interesting, as someone said earlier to have this be one of the only ships in the area not powered by steam.  A Tesla coil would be interesting.  Perhaps it is styled like a hydroplane with the ability to "skip" into the air for short distances.  The thing about the M.F. is its speed.  Airships just weren't capable of traveling as fast as I imagine a smuggler would have to travel in this "time" period.

If Hans is a Cowboy (gunslinger anyone?), than it might not be too much of a stretch to make chewy in Inuit or a race of people that the "old-world" is not as familiar with.  I only say Inuit because of the ability for him to carry a harpoon gun (instead of the crossbow) and his comfort on a ship.

As we were talking in another thread about alternate histories, I love the idea of the east being imperialistic.  China, Japan, another culture.  And in the starwars universe, there are lots of examples of leaders making deals with the oncoming empire.  There is no reason Vader couldn't be French coming from an empire-sympathetic background.

I like the idea of rails connecting the various city-states scattered throughout the "Empire"

OK, just some thoughts to get us moving....

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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2007, 09:39:25 am »

This looks good; like I said, definately would be interested in doing some artwork; though I do have a few content suggestions of my own, if it's not too bold:

1: How am I the first one to suggest "Steam Wars" as a title?

2: Chewie needs to be the result of a mad vivisectionists experiments. Possibly Han rescued him from a cage in a laboratory, hence the "blood debt" thing.

3: I too prefer the idea of a mechanical island over just an airship; I like the idea of it being able to float as well, although that could be a tad too impossible (if such a thing can be) I like the idea of the giant rock-hurling laser, though. The huge airship idea still has possibilities but, speaking from a purely design point of view, a "spherical airship with two huge propellors" would not look that great on paper; the death star has to be a really impressive piece of SP machinery, full of all sorts of complexities and bizarreishness.

4: ...I don't think I have a four right now. I'll work on it, though!
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« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2007, 09:55:20 am »

steamwars has been used by others for different projects....

The deathstar's main weapon could be some underwater vibration/pulse thing that crumbles landmass.  When they raise it out of the water (for the super major humoungus battle),that vibration/pulse thing is devistating to ships and airships.

I am just thinking of the dramatic aspect of this thing.  You see an island, you are in the middle of battling all of these run-about steam and sail vessels (as well as gyrocopters and airships), and the islant that you knew could move begins to get larger and larger and larger as the surrounding ballast blimps begin to lift it.   Would also be more dramatic for the destruction of the thing if it not only just sank, but crashed into the water and sank.
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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2007, 02:53:31 pm »

I'm not sure if anyone else has posted this...but it's most impressive.
http://ericpoulton.blogspot.com/search/label/steampunk%20star%20wars

Note the details of Lord Vader.
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« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2007, 02:58:10 pm »

yeah man, those are REALLY cool...  we have been drooling over them for a few days.  Eric (the illustator) is a member here too!

if you are interested, we have been talking about possibly putting a graphic novel together...

http://www.brassgoggles.co.uk/bg-forum/index.php?topic=371.0

check it out and add your input!
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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2007, 04:59:37 pm »

Emporer sent me a message yesterday and I hope he doesn't mind me pasting it here, because they were all very good ideas.

No problem. I was musing outloud so it is all up for grabs.

Some extra thoughts:

1. Chewie - while I do think we should throw in vivisection I was thinking that Chewie (and the Ewoks) could be indigenous hairy beasts like Bigfoot/Sasquatch (Jawas would be strange gremlin-type creatures and Tusken Raiders could revert to their original name Sand People and be more like the more outrageous portrayals of the Native Americans considering Tatooine makes an ideal Wild West setting where the rail roads run out and lawlessness abounds. The Hutts are then those slimy types who run Wild West towns just slimier than usual, either go back to Jabbas original incarnation or make him some kind of actual snail or slug). Save the vivisection for the even more unlikely members of the menagerie like Jar Jar Bibs (~shudder~). I quite liked the mix of otherworldly creatures in China Miéville's New Crobuzon books and we can draw on folklore/cryptozoology as well as use vivisection to push the envelope.

2. Doom Moon - not just any old dirigible. It is vast (a kilometre or so) and covered in steam powered Gatling guns and cannons. I like the idea that all the gubbins is on the outside and we could have a command gondola on the lower side somewhere (it could even run on rails around the outside so it is always pointing forward).

3. Island - mobility is an issue and would lead to things being more water based (there are water scenes to be had on Naboo for example). However, it might not be too much of a problem you just have to think fantastically. It would have the appearance of a volcano and the steam power is running from the magma but it is really some kind of weird science at its heart and the island can lift out of the sea either using steam (see the Steam Castle in Steam Boy) or due to some manipulation of weird forces (aetheric repulsion instead of anti-gravity). It is only really required to move once to demonstrate its menace and that is the attack on Alderman (as I renamed it). I'd then suggest the superlaser could be replaced by the dreaded land torpedo/sub-terra shell. The people of the port city of Alderman see the island incoming and it launches a torpedo. They laugh it off until it burrows under the city and starts vibrating opening the earth. The city falls into the fissure and the sea rushes in finishing the job. At the end Lucas would then have to fly his X-Wing gyrocopter down a lava tube to take out the machine powering the island (something inexplicable - I quite like the device in Sphere with the three concentric circular rings).

Other thoughts:

1. Cloud City a number of balloons with a city suspended between them, possibly mining rare elements for the stranger technology from the clouds.

2. C3PO and R2D2: Cedrick Threep and Roderick Ditto - the former a clockwork cyborg and the latter more of an automaton.
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« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2007, 05:43:29 pm »

cloud city could be harvesting UV light....


like the sasquash thing - fits with the west also.

would we script the final battle then?  Less scripting, more work on artists....
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« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2007, 06:07:29 pm »

cloud city could be harvesting UV light....

Good one. They could also be "whaling" vast translucent creatures in the upper atmosphere.

like the sasquash thing - fits with the west also.

Yes it would. Initially we only see one Wookie (or Wookey Wink ) and he does have that lone Sasquatch feel.

would we script the final battle then?  Less scripting, more work on artists....

The Battle of Yavin? Yes it'd make sense. It is one of the big scenes - we could pik out a few from all siz films that would demonstrate the flavour of the Steamed universe (big action scenes or small more characterful interludes). Whichever direction we go i for the Death Star I think the destruction of Alderman would be worth doing. I am intrigued by the idea of a steam powered Darth Sidious and an Oni-masked Darth Maul and it'd be worth thinking about that. Somethig on Tatooine examining the Western feel. Also: Hoth with steampowered AT-ATs would be great. I'll have a think about more.
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« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2007, 10:14:44 pm »

Just a quick note on the "Doom Moon"...

Why not have a massive Tesla coil as the main laser? That makes the most sense, and would make a cool picture as it charges, bolts spreading across its' surface.

Once more, the sasquatch/wookie swap sounds best, over the other options.

On a side note, the battle over Cloud City (episode III) ought to be a naval battle: As I watched it, I noticed the similarities between the larger starship engagment tactics and 18th century sea battles, namely the two ships heave to, pummel each other with broadsides, and send over raiding parties to capture the opposing vessel.

Finally, why can't the Millenium Falcon be a uni-wing biplane? I don't have a link, but I've seen an airplane with two circular wings, crafted from timbers and cloth.
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« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2007, 10:20:36 pm »

I started reading this and my eyes got as big as my goggle lenses!

I like the feel of a tesla coil discharge for the main laser, the Doom Moon's armament shoud be fairly cutting edge tech (more so than a giant steam cannon, i think), and a massive etheric beam or some such feels like cheating and taking the easy way out.
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« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2007, 10:28:11 pm »

I am liking the direction this is taking.

I am sorry, though, my knowledge of starwarsdom is limited to seeing them all 1 or 2 times.  I tried Youtubing it last night and could find nothing, so I can't be much of a help until I aquire whichever film we decide to do the scene from.

Boba could be a Zulu.

I am seeing Jaba's rail car as being a huge opium den devoted to gambling and vice.  Big fat guy loaded with silk robes, a loooooong mustache...

Problem with the BiPlane (as I see it) is that they were really made for short flights.... that and they were internal combustion.

I think the shape of the thing lends itself well to a hydroplane as well...
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« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2007, 11:01:18 pm »

Just a quick note on the "Doom Moon"...

Why not have a massive Tesla coil as the main laser? That makes the most sense, and would make a cool picture as it charges, bolts spreading across its' surface.


I like that. As it is floating it would result in a vast discharge to the Earth below which would tend to target the higher buildings.

The conspiracy theories suggest the powers that be were always concerned that his technology could be weaponised.

On a side note, the battle over Cloud City (episode III) ought to be a naval battle: As I watched it, I noticed the similarities between the larger starship engagment tactics and 18th century sea battles, namely the two ships heave to, pummel each other with broadsides, and send over raiding parties to capture the opposing vessel.


Battles between giant airships (I picture a Star Destroyer like a vast zeppelin - there was a great documentary on BBC 2 a few weeks ago which dealt with the German use of them during WWI) would be similar. The larger vessels would either stand off and blast each other or engage like naval vessels. Meanwhile the smaller aerial vehicles would fly around and through the large ships dog fighting and trying to get a shot in on the airships.

The analogy works quite nicely Smiley

Finally, why can't the Millenium Falcon be a uni-wing biplane? I don't have a link, but I've seen an airplane with two circular wings, crafted from timbers and cloth.


It'd probably be pushing it a bit to have actual planes. Not impossible though.

I'm still tickled by the Mechanical Falcon, again the Mysterious Cities of Gold springs to mind, see for example the vehicle at the bottom of this page:
http://johnnorrisbrown.com/classic-nick/mcog/index.htm
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« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2007, 11:11:33 pm »

I am sorry, though, my knowledge of starwarsdom is limited to seeing them all 1 or 2 times.  I tried Youtubing it last night and could find nothing, so I can't be much of a help until I aquire whichever film we decide to do the scene from.


I have been doublechecking my facts via Wookiepedia which has proved very useful (also helps fill out the Expanded Universe information which can be handy for background and the like):

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

Boba could be a Zulu.


Ah I like it. Going with the actor who played Jango Fett how about making him more like a Maori or similar South Seas Islander (Fijian)

I am seeing Jaba's rail car as being a huge opium den devoted to gambling and vice.  Big fat guy loaded with silk robes, a loooooong mustache...


I like it. Travellling across disused rail lines to stay out of the reach of whatever passes for the law.
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« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2007, 11:30:59 pm »

The only problem i see with this project is not getting sued. I happen to work for Lucasarts, so I could possibly ask the legal dept. if this is something you guys could get away with?
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« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2007, 11:32:48 pm »

i think

1.)  If we change all the names and the script significantly

2.)  If we just post it here and not ask for money


we should be fine.  If i remember correctly, Lucas is one of those places that actually enjoys fan-based support like this (as opposed to other franchises).  But I may be wrong.
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« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2007, 11:40:22 pm »

Well worth asking - what I posted here:

www.brassgoggles.co.uk/bg-forum/index.php?topic=277.msg3534#msg3534

suggested that fan fiction was generally OK as long as you steered clear or porn and it was on a not-for-profit basis.

I'd be interested in making double sure no ambulance chasers turn up on my doortstep Wink
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« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2007, 11:45:37 pm »

Ah, that's where i read it!!!

thanks man.

but I think as long as it is free, they can't sue us.

we just can't use words like "Jedi" or "X-Wing" or period trademarked stuff.
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« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2007, 02:00:06 am »

Shouldn't boba be celtic-ish? The goat-head shaped ship, the braids of his  victims hanging from his helmet, all seems celtic.
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« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2007, 04:32:24 am »

Shouldn't boba be celtic-ish?
I second this idea.
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