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« Reply #401 on: December 09, 2011, 04:51:37 pm » |
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A wtf moment in a local shop....queing to pay, minding my own, I feel a pressure on my feet.......a young mother is pushing her child buggy over my feet, squeezing past without so much as a by your leave! I'm being run over for goodness' sake! I say something like 'Lass, you only had to ask, you are being extremely rude'. But she smiled thinly and carried on, followed by her husband who scowled at me and disappeared.
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« Reply #402 on: December 09, 2011, 10:51:29 pm » |
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The above post just reminds me of that time I was on a family holiday in Devon, my father had taken us to the aquarium in Plymouth.
While viewing the sharks I just remember my father cry out 'Your on my foot!' Some woman in a wheelchair had parked her self right ontop of his right foot. All she did in reply to him was shrug her shoulders, look down and go 'oh, So I am on your foot. You should watch where your putting your feet.'
Quite obviously she though he had somehow managed to squeeze his foot under her heavy frame just to make her day worse or something...she rolled off grumbing about 'disrespect for space' while my father sat down on a bench and inspected his foot for any broken bits...
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« Reply #403 on: December 10, 2011, 12:37:14 am » |
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My WTF comes from work today.
Somehow it's MY fault that one of our customers left their donations outside since Tuesday.
Now, normally (read: in the SUMMERTIME), that'd not be an issue. But, as this is North Carolina, after oh, say, October 1st, RAIN IS NEARLY CONSTANT. And it's rained every day since Tuesday. BOTH sofas were soaked clean through (not that we'd have taken them if they were DRY, they were quite ragged-that's something ELSE I don't understand-if it's not decent quality, WHY are you donating it? I mean, really... We are NOT a trash collection service-if your city only does Bulky Item once or twice a year, sorry, you're out the $15 for the trip to the landfill-as we take loads in DUMPTRUCKS, it costs us quite a bit more-PLUS we're non-profit, so YOU do the math. STOP DONATING GARBAGE!!! /rant), and somehow it's MY fault that they were.
We do not take items that have been rained on, in particular if they are upholstered furnature. Mold issues, etc.
So this guy just goes to cussin' me the *BLINKBLONKBLINK* right out!
THAT, or the fact that our SECOND stop, we were picking up a queen sized bed and matching dresser, out of the master bedroom. A LOVELY lady (quite well put together, I might add) answered the door, showed us to her bedroom, where we saw the bed we were picking up. AND the one replacing it. King sized, coverd in satin/silk sheets, leopard print throw pillows, built in stands on the side CLEARLY made for holding drinks... This bed had the look of less for sleeping and more for... anyway...
AND there was a gold stripper pole HARD INSTALLED 3 feet away from the foot of the bed...
And stuff like that happens all the time-we go to pick up stuff, and what one would THINK is a kindly old grandma has FUZZY HANDCUFFS in her bedroom...
WTF indeed!
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« Reply #404 on: December 10, 2011, 03:43:47 am » |
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But the handcuffs are for when she walks Mr. Fuzzy Wuffles the teacup poodle, because his neck is so small and nothing else fits...
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But the handcuffs are for when she walks Mr. Fuzzy Wuffles the teacup poodle, because his neck is so small and nothing else fits...
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But the handcuffs are for when she walks Mr. Fuzzy Wuffles the teacup poodle, because his neck is so small and nothing else fits...
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« Reply #407 on: December 10, 2011, 10:03:20 am » |
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Xenos, it is a mistake often made by the young, that the older person can not be up for fun, be kinky, and be having a generally Good Time. I've known folk who are in their eighties who are having a fairly wild time of it (even if it's only in their heads sometimes!)
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« Reply #408 on: December 10, 2011, 12:35:43 pm » |
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My WTF comes from work today.
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THAT, or the fact that our SECOND stop, we were picking up a queen sized bed and matching dresser, out of the master bedroom. A LOVELY lady (quite well put together, I might add) answered the door, showed us to her bedroom, where we saw the bed we were picking up. AND the one replacing it. King sized, coverd in satin/silk sheets, leopard print throw pillows, built in stands on the side CLEARLY made for holding drinks... This bed had the look of less for sleeping and more for... anyway...
AND there was a gold stripper pole HARD INSTALLED 3 feet away from the foot of the bed...
And stuff like that happens all the time-we go to pick up stuff, and what one would THINK is a kindly old grandma has FUZZY HANDCUFFS in her bedroom...
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Xenos, it is a mistake often made by the young, that the older person can not be up for fun, be kinky, and be having a generally Good Time. I've known folk who are in their eighties who are having a fairly wild time of it (even if it's only in their heads sometimes!)
Oh, I understand that. I understand that very well! But when you're EXPECTING people over, you don't leave your toys laying about-I know my wife and I put up all of OUR kinky stuff before company comes over. I would think it's even WORSE to leave out when people you don't KNOW are coming by. I begrudge no one the most wild and wonderful sexlife they can have-*I* just don't wanna know about it unless it's in a porno my wife and I are watching!  My WTF comes from work today.
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THAT, or the fact that our SECOND stop, we were picking up a queen sized bed and matching dresser, out of the master bedroom. A LOVELY lady (quite well put together, I might add) answered the door, showed us to her bedroom, where we saw the bed we were picking up. AND the one replacing it. King sized, coverd in satin/silk sheets, leopard print throw pillows, built in stands on the side CLEARLY made for holding drinks... This bed had the look of less for sleeping and more for... anyway...
AND there was a gold stripper pole HARD INSTALLED 3 feet away from the foot of the bed...
And stuff like that happens all the time-we go to pick up stuff, and what one would THINK is a kindly old grandma has FUZZY HANDCUFFS in her bedroom...
WTF indeed!
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« Reply #410 on: December 11, 2011, 09:40:04 am » |
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This conversation floored me. Guy 1 : Why would people create, if not to have? Do you think people should be going around building things that nobody wants? Doesn't that seem like an awful waste of resources, when you could produce something that people want, and make money doing it? Guy 2: As an artist I create things without consideration of their resale value or their intrest in the general populace. I create for the sake of creation, to see a new permutation of the potentials of existance. Creation is a means of exploration. Guy 1: OK. If you ever find somebody who will clean my house out of love for the job, you just send him or her right over. Most people produce in order to consume. If you're doing poetry as a hobby for fun, that's fine, but it's fun, not work. Guy2: I'm saying that creation for me is it's own purpose and product. To make something ephemeral into something of substance. I don't need to do it for aquisition. An creation is labour, creation of art is too. It's not magical fluff sneezes that just happen. Energy to produce the change of one thing (empty pag, canvas, block of wood or what have you) into another. And crafts as I was taut are arts with a utilitary fuction but an artistic creation. I dislike this philosophy so many people have that because it's purely cultural or emotive it is *Fun* not work. Such ideas show a blindness to forces that shape and drive civilisation to new hieghts. Many foundation stones of our world were lain by artist labouring for a vision of emotive or artistic vision Guy 1: I don't consider it productive work, because you are not increasing your ability to consume by it. We do not consume so that we can produce, we produce so that we can consume. If everybody followed your example, there would be much more poverty in America. But you don't have an obligation to do productive work if you don't want to. Just be prepared to earn a living (which in a free society means producing something that other people *do* value, so they'll pay you for it), or find a way to market your products! Okay I admit it I'm one of the guys. guess which one. |
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This conversation floored me. Guy 1 : Why would people create, if not to have? Do you think people should be going around building things that nobody wants? Doesn't that seem like an awful waste of resources, when you could produce something that people want, and make money doing it? Guy 2: As an artist I create things without consideration of their resale value or their intrest in the general populace. I create for the sake of creation, to see a new permutation of the potentials of existance. Creation is a means of exploration. Guy 1: OK. If you ever find somebody who will clean my house out of love for the job, you just send him or her right over. Most people produce in order to consume. If you're doing poetry as a hobby for fun, that's fine, but it's fun, not work. Guy2: I'm saying that creation for me is it's own purpose and product. To make something ephemeral into something of substance. I don't need to do it for aquisition. An creation is labour, creation of art is too. It's not magical fluff sneezes that just happen. Energy to produce the change of one thing (empty pag, canvas, block of wood or what have you) into another. And crafts as I was taut are arts with a utilitary fuction but an artistic creation. I dislike this philosophy so many people have that because it's purely cultural or emotive it is *Fun* not work. Such ideas show a blindness to forces that shape and drive civilisation to new hieghts. Many foundation stones of our world were lain by artist labouring for a vision of emotive or artistic vision Guy 1: I don't consider it productive work, because you are not increasing your ability to consume by it. We do not consume so that we can produce, we produce so that we can consume. If everybody followed your example, there would be much more poverty in America. But you don't have an obligation to do productive work if you don't want to. Just be prepared to earn a living (which in a free society means producing something that other people *do* value, so they'll pay you for it), or find a way to market your products! Okay I admit it I'm one of the guys. guess which one. I'm right there with ya, mate. I make music not so people can "consume" it, but because I WANT to. It has nothing to do with money, or fame, or anything. I would continue to make my music REGARDLESS of what other people say or do. I've always been that way. |
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« Reply #413 on: December 12, 2011, 06:03:57 am » |
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Guy 1 is obviously an economist, or at least someone with an economics degree. They all seem to talk that way, or at least all the ones that I've ever encountered.
Which might go a long way towards explaining why our world seems to be so terminally screwed-up; these guys are running the show.
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I'll second Athanor and also suggest it is unlikely that these two will ever quite understand each other. Guy 1 has a point that it is hard to make a living in a market-based society doing things that no one will pay for. This is of course why everyone has a "day job" (or is looking for one). There are a lot of Guy 2's in the world whose dream is to market the art they love so that they can quit this day job and produce their art full-time, though that dream isn't universal; plenty of people like or at least have made peace with their day jobs and find enough time to produce their art on their own to great satisfaction. Such a situation at least frees one from the need to "sell out", which appears to be the course of action Guy 1 is advocating, but who knows. This is why art subsidizing and "patronage" are such ancient traditions. Sounds like an argument I had with my Dad as a teen: "Adults dress for function! Anything else is silly!"..."So why don't you dress out of the charity bin? At least when you're not at the office, those clothes function just fine, and you'd save money." It evolved into a discussion that had a lot in common with the one reported here. One where I was on the other side: I once got together with a group of other people to rent a house. My idea was that we were all doing this to save on rent, and that we'd split up the chores/costs and occasionally meet to discuss such matters, but mostly tiptoe around one anothers' lives as much as housemates can. But my friends had a whole "build a community" thing in mind; they fantasized about a "group living situation" that surprised me in its level of detail, and seemed almost cultish to me. I left as quickly as I could, trying to make it clear that I'd figured out that we wanted different things; no one was really "wrong", but a communication ball had been dropped. Most of my own wtf moments lately have been financial in nature; I figure everyone is seeing these and haven't bothered to comment. |
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« Reply #415 on: December 12, 2011, 09:15:22 am » |
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I'll second Athanor and also suggest it is unlikely that these two will ever quite understand each other. Guy 1 has a point that it is hard to make a living in a market-based society doing things that no one will pay for. This is of course why everyone has a "day job" (or is looking for one). There are a lot of Guy 2's in the world whose dream is to market the art they love so that they can quit this day job and produce their art full-time, though that dream isn't universal; plenty of people like or at least have made peace with their day jobs and find enough time to produce their art on their own to great satisfaction. Such a situation at least frees one from the need to "sell out", which appears to be the course of action Guy 1 is advocating, but who knows. This is why art subsidizing and "patronage" are such ancient traditions. Sounds like an argument I had with my Dad as a teen: "Adults dress for function! Anything else is silly!"..."So why don't you dress out of the charity bin? At least when you're not at the office, those clothes function just fine, and you'd save money." It evolved into a discussion that had a lot in common with the one reported here. One where I was on the other side: I once got together with a group of other people to rent a house. My idea was that we were all doing this to save on rent, and that we'd split up the chores/costs and occasionally meet to discuss such matters, but mostly tiptoe around one anothers' lives as much as housemates can. But my friends had a whole "build a community" thing in mind; they fantasized about a "group living situation" that surprised me in its level of detail, and seemed almost cultish to me. I left as quickly as I could, trying to make it clear that I'd figured out that we wanted different things; no one was really "wrong", but a communication ball had been dropped. Most of my own wtf moments lately have been financial in nature; I figure everyone is seeing these and haven't bothered to comment. Oh I understand him fine. I did later in the conversation get to argue the point which is only lightly touched on here: he's describing interchange of material items as the only feature of value in existance and what's more his focus is consumption focused and specifically deeming increasing consumption as the proper way to develope a system. To me that is rather cancerous. I even said as much. I have no issue with earning money. Just that money is simply a tool that I need only as much as can sustain me with allowance for times of 'drout'. The jobs I favor are things that use my skills and/or serving others. The rest is what I call my living, wether or not it generates money. The pattern of one who lives the life of a consumer, the perpetual customer, living to earn enough to keep buying things is his right in life. But the model of ever increasing consumption is where the danger lies. Increasing consumption leads a whole host of problems, and often the solution is to increase supply to meet demand. But in an ecosystem increased production strains the system and sometimes takes from our future to feed our now. Meaning that there will come a time when supply is exhausted and demand is even higher than before. It's what economists call bubbles. and it's never pretty when those burst. So naturally I cringe at the notion of applying that to life as a persons MO. |
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Increasing consumption leads a whole host of problems, and often the solution is to increase supply to meet demand. But in an ecosystem increased production strains the system and sometimes takes from our future to feed our now. Meaning that there will come a time when supply is exhausted and demand is even higher than before. It's what economists call bubbles. and it's never pretty when those burst. So naturally I cringe at the notion of applying that to life as a persons MO. This is taking a turn toward the serious, but I completely agree. I'd say for what it's worth that I'm much more like you than like your friend (I'm assuming he's a friend, or a family member, or someone else who for whatever reason you can disagree but without walking out on the conversation before getting pretty detailed about one anothers' opinions). Expecting consumption to increase indefinitely without some sort of negative effect is the economic equivalent of building a perpetual motion machine. It's ignoring that fact that has gotten us into much of our recent trouble, with bubbles and such as you point out. This is where the other statement of Athanor's Which might go a long way towards explaining why our world seems to be so terminally screwed-up; these guys are running the show. has its relevance. Go much further and I fear that the discussion will not only derail but start to look like politics, which we all want to avoid, so I'll just close by saying more power to you, keep making your art, the world needs its touches of creativity, beauty (even if one's inspiration is more the "beauty in ugliness" type; dark and edgy has its place too), and just plain variety, even if no one is paying for it in cash money. |
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This happened about 8 months ago but I was recently reminded of it. I was looking into buy a Wacom graphics tablet for my computer. The manufacturer suggested retail price is $250. The big electronics retailer (Future Shop) lists the exact same product at $400! (that's the first WTF) Every other supplier I could find carries it at the MSRP of $250. Fortunately, Future Shop has a price match guarantee. If you show them that another store sells the same product at a lower price, the will match the price and take off 10% of the difference. This would mean that instead of paying $400 or $250, I would only be paying $235. I printed off a web page from Canada Computers and went to Future Shop rather excited about getting a really good deal. Unfortunately, that is not what happened. As it turns out, Future Shop made a slight change to the model number to avoid living up to their price match guarantee. The actual product is 100% the same. Only to code on the box has one extra letter, the tablet itself has the normal model number. The sales clerk to his sweet time and repeatedly tried to convince me that the tablet they sold was somehow different than the ones sold by other retailers, and therefore exempt from their guarantee. He also spent a very long time talking to a manager. After I waited more than half an hour, they finally offered to match the price, but would not beat it. I took the offer but was not happy about it. It simply was not worth driving out to another store having already wasted a huge chunk of time. As a result of this experience I no longer buy anything from Future Shop. Which is very easy since specialty stores make them unnecessary.
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Two days ago I was at Canada Computers to get a Christmas present for my older brother. While there I noticed they had the same tablets now listed at $250. Later that day I accompanied my parents to Future Shop while the did some Christmas shopping. While there, I saw the exact same item that I had just bought for my brother but for a price 25% higher. Remembering their ridiculous prices, I decided to check if still carried Wacom tablets and their inflated cost. They're still $400! Future Shop has keep they price the same while Canada Computers has actually lowered theirs! WTF!
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See, having used to work for an electronics store, and STILL working in retail, I can say, without a doubt "That's the way it is." They will change ONE THING (be it adding a letter, or maybe even a slightly different shade of chartruce), but it's enough that their pricematch is null. Hell, LOWE'S won't even match prices if the item's cheaper at a store across town! I remember when I was working in Mt. Airy, and a customer had found lumber cheaper in Winston. We WOULD NOT MATCH the SAME PRICE WITHIN THE COMPANY. Why? Because it's retail. They OFFER a pricematch, but they are DAMN lothe to use it. And GOD FORBID you then try and use an employee discount ON TOP of the price match... Talk about a sh*testorm. EDIT: I almost forgot the BIGGEST trick they do: ONE PENNY LESS. Say the screwdriver is 9.99 at Home Depot? Lowe's'll have the SAME ONE for 9.98. I can almost PROMISE you that. Saw it a lot as a sales rep/merchandiser. I would see stores of the same chain selling the same product at up to a $10 difference. Sometimes it would get confusing when I was pricing and I'd have to double check that the numbers were right. All of them would buy the products at the same price, but each one would have a slight variation on what they offered the public. Can't stand big business for a moral reason: my mommy taught me not to be dishonest....  |
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Today when I went shopping, I noticed the official mascot for the first time.
First thought: "Eeep! That looks like a one-eyed monster!"
Second thought: "Wait... WHAT???"
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So far I managed to completely ignore the upcoming London Olympics.
Today when I went shopping, I noticed the official mascot for the first time.
First thought: "Eeep! That looks like a one-eyed monster!"
Second thought: "Wait... WHAT???"
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So far I managed to completely ignore the upcoming London Olympics.
Today when I went shopping, I noticed the official mascot for the first time.
First thought: "Eeep! That looks like a one-eyed monster!"
Second thought: "Wait... WHAT???"
That is so wrong. Seriously.
Not as bad as the official logo Which is clearly Lisa Simpson administering oral sex... I see it too. There must be some real sickos in the Olympic committee. |
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