H.M.A.S Badger ~ Online Æther Ship ~ Member's Wanted (OOC Thread)

[Tiberius Montgomery Pratt]

 I confess I am  more then a little lost at the moment.

I have gone back and reread every post that Tiberius Montgomery Pratt has made and don’t see any logical reason for {IC} Bailey to behave so antagonistic towards him.{ sticking a knife in his face?! } If Cornelius Nightshade had returned I absolutely would understand {IC} Bailey acting THIS way towards HIM. Nightshade was Nightshade, he is gone. Tiberius Montgomery Pratt is not Cornelius Nightshade in a wig.

So far what has Mr. Pratt done in the RP,
 One, Rushed in at the last moment to help, unasked, when the group was in deadly peril in battling the beast. As best as he can, Pratt is not a fighter type.
Two,  Desperately tried to give the Mad Badger advance warning about an unexpected attack by pirates that were better equipped then would normally would be.

That is all Mr. Pratt has done so far. {IC} Bailey was not this antagonistic towards {IC} Miss Curious after she came back after “being in” with Mr. Nightshade.

I suppose that If {IC} Bailey Just didn’t like Pratt personally he might be rude and disagreeable towards him. I can understand that kind of behavior. So I guess what I am asking is, is it just in {IC} Baileys character to pull knives on people for no other reason then
 he doesn’t like them personally? If so, ok?,,, I guess? So much for Army discipline.

I have not responded {IC} to any of this and will continue to “just ignore it“. In till I can understand were its coming from.

[Alexis Voltaire]

I did some editing as well...

the fact that we never fully explored why the Royal Botanical Society would insist you go to mars to solve an unnamed problem - maybe one of your superiors is a Freemason?... (cue mysterious music)   

Finally, was able to use this.

[Theosophus Grey]

I have never seen “the man who would be king” but I am going to now.

As for the widows son,
If you read the book “Holy Blood Holy Grail” it claims the widows son is not Christ but the son of Jesus and Mary Magdalene.
So the story goes after the death of Jesus the widow and her son left Israel and ended up in southern France. If you believe the folk lore the son was the founding of the Merovingian dynasty that ruled France from the fifth century to the seven hundreds. A strange story only lacking, Proof that its real and not a load of,,

That's an interesting interpretation, I recall that being mentioned in the Davinci Code as well - yet another book for the to-read pile... 

[MWBailey]

I confess I am  more then a little lost at the moment.

I have gone back and reread every post that Tiberius Montgomery Pratt has made and don’t see any logical reason for {IC} Bailey to behave so antagonistic towards him.

1. For one, just showing up and throwing around orders in the midst of a military operation, even though he's a civilian with no visible credentials. Itwas like it would be if Dr. Who just brought the Tardis between Napoleon's army and the British infantry squares at Waterloo and expected the fighting to stop while he ranted and raved about peace and understanding adn then sent the French Army off safely back to Egypt or some such. There's a reason it's a great plot device in The Doctor Who series: it makes no sense for someone to act like that out of the blue, and its an extremely arrogant way to act in the presence of someone to whom one has not yet been introduced, especially in the sense of the socially-rigid Victorians. Thus, teh audience loves it, because here's this one heroic figure prevailing against the "stupid" masses of "violent" people, even thiough its being done without any mention being made of the fact that the people are only being viol3ent because they have tobe to survive the stupidity of teh people who got them into this mess, i.e. the enemy for being where they shouldn't. (War in all being a great act of international stupidity*, or so goes the logic of the lone intelligent hero)  Personally, after an entrance like that, I'd think somebody would be ready for the other characters to act similarly in return.

{ sticking a knife in his face?! } If Cornelius Nightshade had returned I absolutely would understand {IC} Bailey acting THIS way towards HIM. Nightshade was Nightshade, he is gone. Tiberius Montgomery Pratt is not Cornelius Nightshade in a wig.

He certainly gives orders the same way, and is just as arrogantly certain that his own behavior is perfectly correct (by the way, yes, you wrote some one saying Pratt was an upstanding person; he may well be in civilian life, but in a war zone going off half cocked and expecting military people you've never even met before to follow orders from you,a CIVILIAN no less (and no, they wouldn't have let Disraeli or the other lordlings do that either; half of them probably didn't even know what the people looked like, and the other half would probably have had them shot as a spy, because that's what they did to apparent civilians who just walked up all brass and splash out of the blue (teh Sharpe series notwithstanding -- that whole PBS series, while a  the books are a cracking great story and all a great read, is actually pretty damned apocryphal and largely (frankly) impossible and improbable; it depends entirely on suspension of disbelief, rather than Cornwell(the author)'s methodical and in-depth reasoning and plot-building, which is largely destroyed by the series taking bits and pieces from all of the books in just about every episode) And talking to them in such terms as "we've enough of that sort of thing, wouldn't you agree? good." The arrogance! Not to mention the utter stupidity of standing in front of a loaded cannon, so to speak...

So far what has Mr. Pratt done in the RP,
One, Rushed in at the last moment to help, unasked,

Again, just what is the idiot playing at? There's no suspension of disbelief here. A civilian doing what he did would be detained and held as a spy(no, it isn't the same as a civilian showing up at a fort and begging for/demanding a cavalry troop to rescue a wagon train or a settlement or whatever. you've got it the wrong way round); the fact that he managed to disappear would be seen as flight, and would "prove" his guilt. Grey might not have all of those facts, but that does not mean that Bailey will simply throw those facts out just because Pratt is standing in teh ready room, especially since, apparently from his viewpoint, Pratt is acting JUST LIKE Nightshade and doing something off away from the man in charge and then showing up in front of same and pretending to be all light and goodness. Even just up to this point, Pratt is acting just like Nightshade as far as Bailey is concerned, who by the way has not heard from the people claiming Pratt is a good and forthright person, nor heard any evidence to the contrary of the opinion he would HAVE to have formed of the man, that being that he was a sneak, a cheat, and a fortune hunter who is trying to HIRE a military vessel to be his private yacht. He may not be Nightshade, but he certainly acts almost identically.

when the group was in deadly peril in battling the beast. As best as he can, Pratt is not a fighter type.

well, at least you managed to establish that point. He's more of a meddling inventor type, the sort that butts in at the worst possible moment, and nearly gets the unit destroyed by an angry, RETURNING Beast. Oh, yeah, a really trustworthy guy, this Pratt fellow...

Two,  Desperately tried to give the Mad Badger advance warning about an unexpected attack by pirates that were better equipped then would normally would be.

Without, may I add, any reason why he should be believed, other than being psychic. No, sorry, the Dragon Corps's mental/psionic links don't necessarily mean they'll just accept somebody saying they're psychic out of the blue, and casually adding something to the effect of  "and by the way, can we please leave and get out of the way of a pirate fleet that only I know is coming, because I'm so psychic? (no, he didn't say that, exactly, but you didn't make him add anything else as to why he knew about it, and he kept changing what he was saying...not at all a sane fellow, is he... Dr. Who gets away with that not because it's believable, but because there's a long -- thirty realtime years long--history of him doing so)." Please...

That is all Mr. Pratt has done so far. {IC} Bailey was not this antagonistic towards {IC} Miss Curious after she came back after “being in” with Mr. Nightshade.

Miss Curious didn't try to tell Bailey she was psychic or get in the way and insist he change his entire operation just because she had special knowledge, either; she gave him tips about things in perfectly believeable, verifiable way. Try being real and low key with RL policemen. They treat you worlds better in the long run than people who jump around and demand things, and pull vanishing and reappearing acts at crucial points.

I suppose that If {IC} Bailey Just didn’t like Pratt personally he might be rude and disagreeable towards him.

Well, given Pratt's actions toward HIM, Bailey could be said to not like Pratt very much, and It's VERY rude to simply walk in and demand that people drop their entire operation, military or civilian, because "We've had enough of that sort of thing, haven't we? Good." That one line carried enough disdain to make it perfectly clear that Pratt thought himself head and shoulders above everyone else in the room, and made it clear that he was an arrogant, self-centered, priggish popinjay. Perfectly ok to not like the military stuff, Jim, but to make your character insult the military people? Not smart if he wants 'em to cooperate in future. And remember, he hasn't called them fire-eaters to their faces or complimented them at all, in fact he has insulted them, and at every turn made it clear he considers teh force (which is by the way composed of fellows very much like himself, who had the courage to sign up and volunteer. Take off the uniforms and put them in civvies and place them in a drawing room with Pratt and most would be indistinguishable from him these are volunteers, not lifers biding their time, all except for Bailey, who might be the same as a lifer but is also largely a volunteer himself). to be a bunch of lower-class rejects who couldn't make it in regular society and joined the Army to get a job. He didnt say so? What of that? His actions practically scream it!

I can understand that kind of behavior. So I guess what I am asking is, is it just in {IC} Baileys character to pull knives on people for no other reason then
 he doesn’t like them personally?

No, it isn't, and he didn't do it for "no reason." Pratt just revealed bailey to be a Mason, in his so-far usual, arrogant, and as far as Bailey can tell, sneaky manner, thus putting Bailey's entire civilian family in danger. So, here we have this (as far a s Bailey knows up to that point) meddling scientific/neoarchaeological dillettante who likes to mess up military campaigns for muddled reasons, revealing his Masonry and endangering his family. As far as the unfolding of future events is concerned, they're already dead, and he soon will be as well, given the Illuminati's long reach, and it's bad form to shoot the fellow before you have a chance to find out what he's really up to, so let's see if he will even pretend to be honorable and pay lip service to making a promise.[/quote]

If so, ok?,,, I guess? So much for Army discipline.

Well, given Pratt's cumulative behavior (so far) toward Bailey and his comrades, I'd have to say, "So much for British upper class breeding as well."

I have not responded {IC} to any of this and will continue to “just ignore it“. In till I can understand were its coming from.

Well, again, Pratt has just revealed that Bailey is a mason (no doubt due to his arrogant assumption that he has the right to do so because he's so high and mighty, which is not out of character at all, considering Pratt's behavior during the battle, onboard the Badger the first time, and at the present, not to mention the fact that he thinks nothing of just showing up out of the blue and expecting the captain to see him without having him arrested and thrown in the brig for acting for all the world like a spy who is an expert at infiltration, and does so twice, of all things.)

(By the way, all of this could have happened, from the point of view of an observer strictly on board the Badger, if Pratt just went away and hid somewhere and popped back out again at opportune moments, employing a double on the station(It wouldn't have even been necessary for an exact double to be employed, given the way people remember things.)


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*War being an international act of stupidity:THAT idea I agree with. However, The act of jumping in the middle between two warring individuals/factions/etc. is itself often an act of stupidity in my view, speaking from experience with male athletes in a classroom, who were/are usually enraged on hormones, similarly to two adversaries/armies/an army and a very powerful montstrous entity bent on destroying one another...

[Tiberius Montgomery Pratt]

I see, but let me ask you this,
Given that that is IC Baileys opinion,

Why did you not speak up at the meeting and advise everyone that you have cause to believe that Pratt is not credible and dangerous?

And true you have not come right out and said you {IC} Bailey will go along with what Pratt is asking of everyone. But, you also have not refused.

Considering how Bailey feels I cant imagine why you would go along with anything Pratt asks. Or at the very least, strongly advise against believing a single word this lunatic Pratt is spewing. After all you only have Pratts word that this is what hes doing,no?

[MWBailey]

I see, but let me ask you this,
Given that that is IC Baileys opinion,

Why did you not speak up at the meeting and advise everyone that you have cause to believe that Pratt is not credible and dangerous?

You didn't really read the post, did you? Bailey came in, at the very least, on the cusp of the last second. Bailey's an officer now, but unlike the people he commands, he's really just a native sergeant at heart (because of having been treated like one and acting the part for so long), and thus has survival-in-the-wardroom instincts to match; he's not going to interrupt a meeting with accusations just when he's nearly broken the meeting up.

And true you have not come right out and said you {IC} Bailey will go along with what Pratt is asking of everyone. But, you also have not refused.

again, self-preservation, that and sense-of-duty. 'Following orders" was a big thing, at least as far as novels and movies would have us believe, for noncoms and lower-echelon officers of the victorian-age British Military and its native units. Bailey, as a sergeant for so long, demoted, remember, from colour-sergeant during his RIASS period for "insubordination" would be unlikely to gainsay someone the
Captain  was allowing to be present in the ready room without provocation.

Considering how Bailey feels I cant imagine why you would go along with anything Pratt asks. Or at the very least, strongly advise against believing a single word this lunatic Pratt is spewing. After all you only have Pratts word that this is what hes doing,no?

True. BUT, Bailey also has Grey's implied word that he believes Pratt is on the up-and-up. Raised-from-the-ranks-former-demoted-sergeant Bailey is thus obligated, by personal tradition and dexperience if naught else, to accept the idea that Grey's belief is good enough for him. Thus his shame at his own actions when Grey reprimands him, and when he masters himself.

He tries to be a maverick, does Bailey, mainly for the sake of the troops (almost all of whom are mavericks themselves, the dragons included), but like the literary version of the early Lt. Dick Sharpe, Bailey is really "just a noncom who got lucky." (to quote a slightly-similar character from the military SF/Fantasy crossover novel Clan and Crown--can't remember the author's name to save my life).

Gotta to go and eat lunch. I can't reply to anything now or this afternoon, as Mom needs the computer for her handbells correspondence and newsletter generation. I might be able to get a computer at the library, but it's doubtful (neighboring school district has a student holiday today).

I hope the above clarifies things.

[Theosophus Grey]

Bailey heard the explanation for the journey, and looked Grey full in the face. He couldn't be certain, Grey had very few tells to give him away, but something about the way he said "prospecting," some odd catch in his voice, told Bailey that that was only a cover.

Just to clarify, the reason for only calling the main players to the ready room was to give them the whole story, as well as the cover for them to pass along to the crew - obviously they need to be directly involved in order to engage in the story.

And thank you, gentlemen, for taking the effort to sound out each other's viewpoints above - conflicts of opinion are inevitable in these projects, and it's good to see it hashed out calmly OOC.

[Tiberius Montgomery Pratt]

Well, I asked and you answered, I don’t get angry or hurt when someone answers a question I asked them.
I don’t agree with most of what you said or at least see it very diffrently from you. But thats ok, at least you answered my question.

 As for Pratt, you described him as, ”He's more of a meddling inventor type, the sort that butts in at the worst possible moment” and yes that’s true. And as I said I can except Bailey not liking him. In my opinion, the knife thing was a bit over the top.

You also said that Pratt, “revealed Baileys  Masonry and endangering his family” Be fair you {OOC}and {IC} Bailey did that. No one would have known if you did not want the information to come out.


understood Mr. Grey

[MWBailey]

surprise, surprise, even with a limp (old back injury/sciatica) and a "clunky old cane" as one of the young people described it, I managed to beat one to a library terminal... (no, I didnt beat him with the cane )

Well, I asked and you answered, I don’t get angry or hurt when someone answers a question I asked them.
I don’t agree with most of what you said or at least see it very diffrently from you. But thats ok, at least you answered my question.

I think you may be assuming that I'm attacking you personally. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I certainly don't remember saying anything derogatory about you or your personal character (as in your self, not the character in the RP)or attitude IRL. Sorry, but attacking the character and what he or she says is attacking the agument, not the individual who is arguing.

 As for Pratt, you described him as, ”He's more of a meddling inventor type, the sort that butts in at the worst possible moment” and yes that’s true. And as I said I can except Bailey not liking him. In my opinion, the knife thing was a bit over the top/
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yep, not surprised the recipient would think so. Incidentally, wouldn't Miss Curiouis' attack wuith the knife have been over the top as well? And didn't Pratt say he was expecting Bailey to stick a knife in him, back in teh tunnels? if its over the top,  fine, but you planted teh seed.

Bailey was  taught his trade, largely, during the Texas Revolution. That was back at a time when guns, even rifles,  were still subjected to use in volley fire, because of tradition as well as simple mathematics. Pistols and rifles both were largely still single-shot (the revolvers of the time being mainly rich men's deterrents and expensive toys; flintlocks and early caplocks were still the norm by far, and while the pepperbox revolvers were beginning to show up, they were not yet widely accepted)  A knife such as a "Texas Belly Ripper"(a common moniker, used for separating Bowie's weapon from the general run of such weapons of that period;don't blame me, I didnt invent it; the tradition of such blades goes back to the Swordbreakers of the renaissance period in England) or a regular dagger or sword was considered a much more reliable weapon, since it didn't run out of ammo.

Bailey, as a brevet officer during and at the end of that conflict, would have been expected to know the sword, and probably would have been very experienced with the Belly Ripper/Bowie knife. (A khukuri, while being from a different culture and of a slightly different shape, is still not terribly dissimilar from a Bowie Knife, especially the large ones which were teh norm back in the 1830s and 1840s {the cute lil 6-inch "bowie knives" you see in stores today are a travesty by comparison} He thus would already pefer the knife and sword to the guns, and heavily favor the knife since the knife, like the sword, does not run out of ammunition, and unlike the sword, does not cause one to leave onself open for a long period while one recovers from  making a sweeping cut or slash-- and also lends itself to swift attacks in a crowded room. Thus, I disagree, it's really prety much in character and understandable;  would you have preferred that Bailey had shot your character? iwas tired and went to bed, and thus had not added anything to support the action or fleshed out any of teh other neglected angles. I would have done this AM, but I've been busy explaining things that frankly were already a bit obvious.

You also said that Pratt, “revealed Baileys  Masonry and endangering his family” Be fair you {OOC}and {IC} Bailey did that. No one would have known if you did not want the information to come out.

its interesting (and also somewhat distressing, given that I have apparently done something to frighten you; such was never my intent, I assure you), how you seem to think that Bailey's desire was the same as mine; again, I think perhaps you're taking all of this a bit personally. ll I did was writre the way thatyou have been writing, that is to say,  making the other person's characters do what you anted them to do; if what I was doing is wrong, then isn't what you were doing wrong as well? Surely you  can stand other people moving your character around, since you move everyone else's around so freely and well.


understood Mr. Grey
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I bear Jim no ill Will, Theo, despite his apparent belief to teh contrary.

[Tiberius Montgomery Pratt]

“I did was writre the way thatyou have been writing, that is to say, making the other person's characters do what you anted them to do; if what I was doing is wrong, then isn't what you were doing wrong as well? Surely you can stand other people moving your character around, since you move everyone else's around so freely and well.”

Ah, now I do see what was brothering you. YES, I can see that if you beleved I was doing that it would be, annoying. If I am guilty of that then I am sorry. I can assure you that I will  put forth every effort not be doing it again.
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 On a new subject

I went to rent “The man who would be King” the only copy  the place had was rented out,,, coincidence? I think not.
I think this thread may have a lot of lurking readers in the Shenandoah Valley

[Zuttle D. Curious]

Or just one fanatical one O.o

Hey Bailey, Not trying to pick or nothing, but according to what was put down early on in the storyline, the current year is around 1900 (Evidence placed in story, was some 1895 map that is hanging somewhere on the badger, And I think someone else, I think Grey, said it on the OOC board too. Too lazy to look it up though.) The Texas Revolution ended in 1836. With marine battles going on into the 40's yeah, but still. That would make your character 70-90 years old. Is he SUPPOSED to be a badass 80 year old? Or is this just something that wasn't supposed to be looked at with a magnifying glass?

[MWBailey]

Actually he's only in his 60s; I did mention his retirement Khukhuri (the silver-chased Kothi-Mora; its a Gurkha tradition, and I took the liberty of extending that tradition to the (fictional) RIASS*) several times. he keeps putting his service khukuri in the silver sheath because the sheath is pretty and the service knife of a better quality fo rfighting than the carved, engraved, and silverplated ceremonial one is.

As with almost every RP I've ever been in, the years in which things happened have been altered slightly; in this reality, the existence of airships (developed types; they'd have to be, what with people already beginning to look at the stars ambitiously). on both sides would  have protracted the conflict and caused it to end in the 1840s or late 1850s; I actually wasn't too specific on that at the beginning, my fault and I apologize. But yeah, he's a 'badass' old Pensioner, who like many Native pensioners can't support himself on his pension, so he's in effect spending his retirement in a second military career (which fact I did in fact mention fairly early on). That may explain his rather mercurial behavior toward Pratt...
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*RIASS: Royal Indian Air Security Service; sort of like 'air police,' in the same vein as a sort of military 'highway patrol.'
**by the way, I may not have made these things terribly clear either:
1. I'm in my late 40s IRL. That's why most of my characters are grizzled old veterans of whatever they're veterans of...
2. The Khukhuri is not just a weapon of war; its actually pretty much an all-purpose tool, much like a machete, used for everything from cooking to hunting to clearing land to killing animals for sacrifice. this tends to get lost in descriptions of its use as a military weapon: thus, Khaisin Shah's insult was one that would really incense the vigilantes from the Sultana.

[MWBailey]

Bailey heard the explanation for the journey, and looked Grey full in the face. He couldn't be certain, Grey had very few tells to give him away, but something about the way he said "prospecting," some odd catch in his voice, told Bailey that that was only a cover.

Just to clarify, the reason for only calling the main players to the ready room was to give them the whole story, as well as the cover for them to pass along to the crew - obviously they need to be directly involved in order to engage in the story.

WhOoPs... sorry about that. I'll change that so it fits teh idea better.

And thank you, gentlemen, for taking the effort to sound out each other's viewpoints above - conflicts of opinion are inevitable in these projects, and it's good to see it hashed out calmly OOC.

Something of a departure from the norm for me, I used to go on the attack when something kicked me in the logic bone...

(logicbone connecka to da...headbone... headbone connecka to da...shouldabone, shouldabone connecka to da...breastbone... breastbone connecka to da...)

[MWBailey]

Oh Horch-dangit, Jim, I'm sorry. I guess I just didn't read that bit above. My only excuse is some rather distressing chest pains. NOT your fault or the forum's; I pushed myself a bit too hard running -- well, walking fast without the cane, actually; I have back problems that manifest in my legs, which preclude me actually running unless I run REALLY FAST, in which case I tend to bash into things a lot .

I don't actually have to have the cane to walk, until I do, which is frequently miles away from any cane in existence if I don't carry the cane with me-- so I go around looking like David Suchet's rendition of Hercule Poirot* gone to fat and wearing a fedora and carrying a highly-garishly-carved oak bentwood cane (a project in progress, actually), and overdoing it because, hey, I have the cane to help me get home...


So, the upshot is please, Just disregard what used to be in this space, it was in error, and I apologize.

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*unintentionally, believe me

[Alexis Voltaire]

according to what was put down early on in the storyline, the current year is around 1900

Hmm, I had though it was somewhat later than that, might change a thing or two... but early 1900 does make sense, as far as the actual-historical dates that are referenced.

if anyone wants to tie-in the message from Raymond Lawrence to the story in some way, feel free. I really have no idea where it is going (or came from, exactly, I think it may have been very late) either...

[Tiberius Montgomery Pratt]

Just when I hoped this was settled down, ok Mr. Bailey my answer, I will return the respect you gave me by answering my question and respond in kind.

For what it is worth. All I have tried to do with Pratt was start what I believed would be a good story line for every one to enjoy. I did not order any one to go along with it. I cant force any one to do any thing.
Even now I can not force any one to act on any thing I have offered up as a possible plot line. If you really think that this plot line is that bad, all you need to do is ignore it. Or get the group to refuse to help Pratt.

I will honestly tell you If the group just tells Mr. Pratt that they wont help him or for some reason or cant.
Pratt would just go away and do as best as he can on his own. So you and the group can if you wish make Mr. Pratt go away for good. Yes its that simple.

And ooc, I ,Jim, will be glad to remove what ever posts needed to move the story along. What ever you guys want I am, willing to do. And as it seems, that its unwelcome and creates bickering that I tend to add to or build new story lines as part of my contribution to this form. I will be more then happy to stop adding to it and just rp in response to what every one else is doing instead.

This Mr. Bailey is my response, I am agreeable to do what ever is necessary to move this along. So take a vote or a pole and Jim will go along cheerfully.

Sadly Mr. Bailey tone of voice dose not easily cross a keyboard. So I will tell you I am not in the least bit angry nor do I care one way or the other if Bailey is a mason or not. It matters not one bit to anything I had planed.

[MWBailey]

“I did was writre the way thatyou have been writing, that is to say, making the other person's characters do what you anted them to do; if what I was doing is wrong, then isn't what you were doing wrong as well? Surely you can stand other people moving your character around, since you move everyone else's around so freely and well.”

Ah, now I do see what was brothering you. YES, I can see that if you beleved I was doing that it would be, annoying. If I am guilty of that then I am sorry. I can assure you that I will  put forth every effort not be doing it again.
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 On a new subject

I went to rent “The man who would be King” the only copy  the place had was rented out,,, coincidence? I think not.
I think this thread may have a lot of lurking readers in the Shenandoah Valley

Youtube had a copy of it in several pieces (ten or twenty I believe, in the way their posters usually do it) as recently as last month; they've been going through and deleting or disabling postings of copyrighted material a lot lately though, so it might not be there anymore.

The local public library might have it?

I've been having the same problem with Castle in the Sky.
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argghh...

Again, Jim, I'm sorry, it was my pain talking(that sounds pathetic to my ears. I'm not that bad off).

BUT STILL

I apologize again.

[Alexis Voltaire]

Personally I think the new story lead is very interesting. I'm interested to see where it will go...

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The Drene-Vah are not out of the picture entirely, but they probably won't show up for a while, since we're headed pretty far out of the way from anywhere they might be. Also, they do not have the capability to effectively attack warships in the void, and because of their previous failures, they won't be using ground attacks like the ones they had been attempting.

They may be trying something different this time though...

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Just finished reading The Man Who Would Be King. Quite and interesting story.

now I'll have to find the movie, I have netflix but won't actually have access to it for a few more days.

unless the have it on instant play...

[Theosophus Grey]

Agreed, I think the new storyline has great promise, and I like how Jim has tied it in closely with what has gone before, good writing.  

Alexis, I think we established at some point that it was 1899 when the story started - Zuttle is correct, I referenced an IRL 1895 map of mars in the ready room, and Grey carries an 1896 Mauser pistol, so the date could actually be anytime after that.  No big.

For The Man Who Would Be King, correct that it is in pieces on YouTube but they're incomplete and missing entire scenes, and Netflix has it on DVD but not instant.   

[MWBailey]

Added a Cal And Zhie scouting entry, and then Hal and teh Dragon Corps testing a harness that will allow them to operate in the aether, outside the ship, which should make it easier to defend the Baldwin against Loftis and his bunch...of course, I had to add the humorous angle in there somewhere...

[Alexis Voltaire]

An idea, Raymond Lawrence may not have been one of the three high ranking masons who disappeared (and it seems more likely that he wouldn't be) but he may have actually been on the side of the Illuminati... Since the temple on Mars was raided during the rebellion, it's probable that quite a few people were killed or went missing. It sounds like a good cover for someone who was secretly working for the Illuminati to be able to disappear without suspicion.

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Heh, got started on the short stories with The Man Who Would Be King... and was up till 5 am reading this morning. And got woken up at 7:30. But it was worth it!

[MWBailey]

I'm thinking things have been entirely too smooth for teh jaguarundi; she's going to find a likely wreck site, but also meet up with either
1. some renegade wreck scrapper from Ol' Crusher, or
2. a scout from the rival group.

Actually, I was also thinking it might be a combination of the two, ahving them and Jaguarundi get in a lonely dogfight, and having the opposition scout go limpingly hightailing it back to its party; I was thinking it might  be Loftis and his bunch, and to have that party far off enough that it would still be possible for the Badger to get to the wreck, but too close to avoid conflict, or maybe have the Loftis advance party receive warning that the Badger's scout is out among the Outer Reefs.

I'm going ahead with two likely site one or the other being a decoy for the opposition to find and reveal themselves inadvertently, and meeting the other scout, but who shall the scout be working for, and how far away shall the opposition party be? Let me know here asap...

[Theosophus Grey]

An idea, Raymond Lawrence may not have been one of the three high ranking masons who disappeared (and it seems more likely that he wouldn't be) but he may have actually been on the side of the Illuminati... Since the temple on Mars was raided during the rebellion, it's probable that quite a few people were killed or went missing. It sounds like a good cover for someone who was secretly working for the Illuminati to be able to disappear without suspicion.

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Heh, got started on the short stories with The Man Who Would Be King... and was up till 5 am reading this morning. And got woken up at 7:30. But it was worth it!

I like that thread idea Alexis, we could tie it in with whoever's "running" Loftis.

And Zuttle:
    "YOU PUT A BOMB IN THE CAT?!"
    "It seemed like a good idea at the time!"
LOL 

[Cornelius Nightshade]

  "I was working on some nerve connections I had missed before between the Spinal cord and the skull. Also repairing a few damaged ones just below the cerebral cortex. When I brought her back around, seemed fine at first, and then she went berserk."

I did say that filthy thing had rabies, why dont people listen!

[Theosophus Grey]

 "I was working on some nerve connections I had missed before between the Spinal cord and the skull. Also repairing a few damaged ones just below the cerebral cortex. When I brought her back around, seemed fine at first, and then she went berserk."

I did say that filthy thing had rabies, why dont people listen!

AAAAAAAAAAAGH!  HE LIVES!   Quick, hide the silver!