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Athena
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« Reply #325 on: November 16, 2009, 09:51:41 pm »

Nope.  At least two of us are currently in negotiations to actually open the tea shop that came out of this.  In other words... this one actually WILL happen, at least we hope it will!

Yay!!!! *happy* Where at? I will have to travel there one day, if it isn't local! ^_^
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« Reply #326 on: November 16, 2009, 11:48:42 pm »

We're currently looking at the area of Portland, Oregon.
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« Reply #327 on: November 17, 2009, 12:39:28 am »

That's a little far for me, but I can take a holiday and come up there maybe. ^_^
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« Reply #328 on: November 18, 2009, 08:41:54 am »

As I has mentioned in the other thread (though I seem to be a bit of a late comer to this one) I would support this gladly and do what I could to help out. I would give up just about everything I have just to live in a place where I can be myself. I don't have much to offer aside from intellect and unskilled labour, but I am willing to learn. I am however stone broke, so I would have to pay my rent in said labour. Even if its just digging, chopping, and shoveling (preferably not excrement) I would be content.

Provided of course no one minds my taste for cigars and a pipe and there's a spot out on the periphery somewhere where I can shoot a bolt action or the like occaisionally.  Wink
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« Reply #329 on: November 19, 2009, 01:56:45 am »

Holy Friggifrag.
I just read all that.
Even after getting kicked from the server at 6 am last night because everyone on the East coast decided to wake up and check the forum I came back after classes!
And I took notes!

LONG MESSAGE read the summary and "lol wut" section at the bottom if you really must.
summary:
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Thanks for reading ;]

 The Sgt. Major says it best. "Pioneer Spirit." but the B&B- alone, in the middle of Portland- will never be the physical beginning to a Steampunk community. The pioneers went to a land that was free, and took what was needed to grow; stack the odds. You don't plant a seed and watch if you really want it to grow; you have to water and weed it. It has to be planted in fresh soil.

 I want to pose some questions:

 A Steampunk community is a GREAT idea. Williamsburg, Plymouth, and Jamestown all have historical communities to varying degrees of participant immersion and success. American history makes these important and attractive. What makes a Steampunk community attractive? Can we mitigate a lack of initial draw by making it at an accessible distance?

 I get the vibe, in general, of the East coast having more pride (and spending) invested in history and immersible experiences. The West coast has always been too progressive, almost flighty, in my observations. Am I wrong? I'd be overjoyed if someone could prove me wrong!

 Now to give what I have thought of:

 If I was to spring a Steampunk community out of the ground... (by the way, I am in my first semester of a 7 year Architecture program and have always had an interest in starting communities from scratch, history, reenactment, city planning, engineering, environment planning, and theatrics ;] )

 Pennsylvania is the place, in a moderately or entirely forested area, near a navigable river, small city with a hospital, and within 3 miles of a rail line that will soon be expanded. Dr. Cross' horse therapy farm would be extremely welcome. You would have plenty of land, helpers, and clients.
 All this can be built by participants and any number of annual surges of enthusiasts. Think "barn raising."
The first buildings would be wood, and not at the future center of town. They would include a B&B/small restaurant, apartments, a public workshop yard that can produce brick and mill lumber, and at least 400 acres of undeveloped land. If the population expands before any brick buildings go up, more apartments will have to be built. From there, the brick would be used to build up the waterfront and create an artificial baseline for town construction. Remember
Below the roads would be a series of tunnels used for transporting waste/recycling and easy access to gas, water, electricity and communication grids.
because
In the SCA we say that we are representing the Middle Ages "as they should have been". We can have the Victorian era as it should have been. Cheesy
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 Once the waterfront is partially lain down, that can be stopped as a cistern is bricked into the baseline. Water from the tops of buildings and from electric wells will supply this; each building will have an independent electric pump. Once the cistern is done, buildings can go up. At this point in time the preferred internet connection will switch from satellite to fiber-optic. Think of how open the sky would be with all that under the ground.


Here is a small diagram of the elevations:
                                                                       ____________The town_________,.,.  _,,,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.,.(base camp),.,
                                     _______The waterfront _||__The baseline_||___||___||__||__/
,,,,,,,,The river ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,/


Brick buildings: As mentioned, cistern done = buildings go up. We would start with general-purpose buildings and move on to designs that people put forward. These might be anything from workshop with loft to storefront and home to art gallery with a bar to a small bookstore with a porch far over the street. Mixing it up and keeping just the right distance is the way to go. Workshops for private businesses are a definite, as are any hotels that wish to spring up.


 Cars and other transportation devices will be housed near the base camp, and the main street will have to be a public road to get business. The bricked area of town would have plenty of access from the underground and the streets. Having a public road starter street also almost ensures proximity to power lines at the ignition site of our grand little explosion and lets any passer-by easily park their car for an excursion.

 The land is possibly easy to get, because farms failing to grow always begin to fail in this age of agricultural wonders. Family farms sometimes have to be sold, and I think everyone here and there would rather see something awesome and new- rather than McMansions and cookie-cutter suburbia. Here lies the answer to any queries considering sustenance farming. It is impossible. All successful farms specialize. Specialization can refer to free-range meats and tourism/pick-your-own, however, and some of us may be interested in such. Farming some land in the form of grocer's gardens or orchards is a perfect idea, but requires either a majority community effort or migrant workers to run (guess which I support). Sounds fun to me!


Awww I wanted to be King

lol, If we do this it will become either a non-profit-to-incorporated-town or nothing-to-incorporated-town. (I think...) In either case the end result is a town council which can prevent people who try and spoil our fun. Law and order will be preserved through *ahem* open carry and people being deputies. Believe me when I say the baseline will make individual security paramount.

 Mail post. We could have personal ticker-telegraphs, post kiosks, or almost anything! Instant messaging via Steampunk is awesome in my head.



 lol wut?
 I suggest not wasting time and money on a tea-room. BUT since this would take a few years to even get all the stuff together (not to mention the fact I can't leave Boston until I'm done this degree in seven years) it is in no way a waste. Go for it. I will visit and be extremely jealous!

 If you think a motley bunch of people couldn't do this, you would be wrong. Carpentry and brick-laying classes and a construction manager are essentially all that would be necessary as far as I can see; as long as the plans are easy to follow and maintain. There are enough steampunks with skills to do this.

Again, thank you for reading. Isabella, Dr. Cross, and Akumabito: ya'll are crazy ;]
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« Reply #330 on: November 21, 2009, 08:14:40 am »

I may be crazy, but I'm doing it, dammit! Maybe not the community, but the tea room, for sure! Look at it this way, we can put proceeds toward a future steam community from there?
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« Reply #331 on: November 21, 2009, 08:17:44 am »

I may be crazy, but I'm doing it, dammit! Maybe not the community, but the tea room, for sure! Look at it this way, we can put proceeds toward a future steam community from there?
... it is in no way a waste. Go for it. I will visit and be extremely jealous!
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« Reply #332 on: November 22, 2009, 08:05:13 am »

I say go for it!
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« Reply #333 on: November 22, 2009, 03:19:12 pm »

I don't think I would be able to live there constantly. However, if it was something of an amusement, like Williamsburg Colonial Village, I would definitely sign up to work there. Street performer, preferably.

If it was an actual city, I might live close to it, and visit it very often, because I'm sure I would love it. But I think it might get a tad tedious living there day in and day out. That's just me personally, though. I think it's wonderful how many people would love to live in such a place.
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« Reply #334 on: November 25, 2009, 10:26:15 pm »

Hmmm.... whats the rent like? Can i openly carry firearms? What are the laws regarding public drunkeness?? All of these things would i have to consider. But probably yes.  Grin
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« Reply #335 on: November 26, 2009, 05:07:56 pm »

I was just re-reading Patrons post and I have to agree, East coast seems like it could be the better start.  For no other reason then we have plenty more history over hear, more historical places, brick buildings, access to old gas lines ect.

Don't forget, the victorian age came here with the pilgrims first.
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« Reply #336 on: November 26, 2009, 11:28:51 pm »

Don't forget, the victorian age came here with the pilgrims first.
The Pilgrims predated the birth of Queen Victoria by 200+ yrs.  markf
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« Reply #337 on: December 02, 2009, 05:17:01 pm »

i dont know if steaming a city is really what im after, many cities are quite steamy as is... however i would like to see some serious moves in domestic architecture... i mean there is no reason that urban sprawl has to look like prepackaged cookies with peaked roofs, get a little imagination in there... bring back the brownstone, bring in something new that looks old...
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« Reply #338 on: December 02, 2009, 05:49:36 pm »

i don't know if steaming a city is really what i'm after, many cities are quite steamy as is... however i would like to see some serious moves in domestic architecture... i mean there is no reason that urban sprawl has to look like prepackaged cookies with peaked roofs, get a little imagination in there... bring back the brownstone, bring in something new that looks old...

Agreed. I'm no fan of the beige cookie-cutter housing that seems prevalent these days.  Angry
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« Reply #339 on: December 02, 2009, 06:53:39 pm »

'These days'? Don't drag stuff from the 70's and 80's into this. Modern construction doesn't take after that trend, at least not what I've heard of. We seem to be seeing a resurgence of Art Deco, which is a good thing. Now, if we could only get the 'trendy' modern art out of sight and denounce it for the tripe that it is...

Personally, I've been hooked on steampunk cities ever since I played Final Fantasy VI and VII as a child. And I wouldn't hesitate to live in one...

'Founded in 1935, in the wake of the Great War at the state border as a gateway to the West, and to supply the demands of processed steel and machinery to the Austrian Republic and the Anatolian Gathering, Nibelung remains the largest industrial city in Europa, as it has since the early 21st century. Having earned the part fond and part sarcastic nickname of "Nebel" to its citizens, it was the first 'steam town' in the world, where clouds rise permanently from the factories and train tracks of the city's underbelly, preceding even the geothermic plants of Mistur on Iceland. In 2109 a public works project to 'clear Nibelung's sky' was proposed and defeated by a remarkable majority in a public election. Since the Second Renaissance, the city is officially recognized as a cultural artifact, and measures to preserve its steam and typical atmosphere even in face of improving heat preservation and filtration technology have been taken...'
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« Reply #340 on: December 02, 2009, 08:59:12 pm »

Acheron, I too like Art Deco, along with the Hungarian Secession (szecesszió) style. Back in 2002 I was shown the interior of a disused cafe in Budapest that dated from before the turn of the 19th century. My wonder and appreciation of the beauty of the decor was matched only by great sadness in knowing the place was likely to be refurbished to some tacky modern concept.

In my post above I'm referring to the housing currently going up here in the American Midwest. The nuts and bolts (and hammers and nails) of the construction methods aside, it does all look like mass-produced cookie-cutter stuff; and yes, the prevalent color is beigeAngry

I'm told this is to make a house look bland or neutral so it can be sold quickly. A blank slate if you will upon which future buyers can project their own decor and amendments. Fair enough. That's commerce. But there are neighborhood committees that actively seek to keep the housing within their area in bland, neutral colors such as beige/oatmeal/taupe, and won't allow any alterations beyond their idea of "acceptable." (I'll not go into the why's and wherefores behind their reasoning. This isn't the place). All I'm saying is, with imagination and wonderful historical examples to draw from, no building should be bland!

Knowing steampunks though, any steampunk community will be anything but bland.  Wink
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« Reply #341 on: December 02, 2009, 09:40:05 pm »

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Might I inquire as to where you live more closely then, and just what types of houses these are? I have some modest experience in house construction myself, having built quite a bit of what I'm currently sitting in from the ground up, so it's a subject that I feel I am familiar enough with to discuss.

Personally, I'm a little more inclined towards the 'stricter' lines of late baroque, and neo-renaissance and neoclassicism. I'm from Sweden, after all, and Stockholm more specifically. I've seen pictures of Budapest, and it's a city that I must visit some time. But I've never been able to take to the more eastern-influenced styles...
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« Reply #342 on: December 03, 2009, 12:32:13 am »

'These days'? Don't drag stuff from the 70's and 80's into this. Modern construction doesn't take after that trend, at least not what I've heard of. We seem to be seeing a resurgence of Art Deco, which is a good thing. Now, if we could only get the 'trendy' modern art out of sight and denounce it for the tripe that it is...

Art Deco may be appreciated and mentioned more than it was in recent years, it is not making a "resurgence."

We are still stuck with 'contemporary' architecture- swoops and clean lines, deconstruction, and American houses remain cookie-cutter.
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« Reply #343 on: December 03, 2009, 08:09:35 am »

art deco is a good thing..... where have i been...?
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« Reply #344 on: December 03, 2009, 09:17:36 am »

I don't mean to disagree with you Acheron, but the McMansions are still alive and well - you know the kind, huge garage in front, beige eyesore tucked behind. Who came up with that? And no trees on the lots!!  Cry
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« Reply #345 on: December 03, 2009, 03:59:27 pm »

I don't mean to disagree with you Acheron, but the McMansions are still alive and well - you know the kind, huge garage in front, beige eyesore tucked behind. Who came up with that? And no trees on the lots!!  Cry

Exactly. Although many sub-divisions on the outskirts of St. Louis are surrounded by trees, the fall has stripped the leaves and exposed the McMansion awfulness for all to see. One of the reasons I like Steampunk so much is the desire to move away from the Beige Cookie-Cutter Mentality toward individualistic design and art. A community that follows these principles would be one I'd gladly live and work in.
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« Reply #346 on: December 03, 2009, 05:40:04 pm »

I'm not against a big set of row houses with back lots, though. As long as they are not too skinny those houses can have many admirable qualities.
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« Reply #347 on: December 03, 2009, 11:50:35 pm »

I don't mean to sound like a creep Patron Vectras, but your little sidebar says you're an architecture student - just out of curiosity, where do you go to school?
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« Reply #348 on: December 04, 2009, 02:08:50 am »

I don't mean to sound like a creep Patron Vectras, but your little sidebar says you're an architecture student - just out of curiosity, where do you go to school?


Boston Architectural College!
I live in the Back Bay, currently

EDIT( to connect this to the current state of the thread, the Boston Back Bay was filled in to create land in the late 1800's. Its northern streets are lined with victorian brownstones of great worth. -I live in the last basement apartment available in the whole southern part of the neighborhood with 2 other guys. We figure proximity to school would decrease transport fares, making the extra we pay each month worth every penny. Farther to the south are the famous skyscrapers of Boston and the amazing Boston Public Library! )


I'll see your creepiness and raise you stalking: where might your "The frozen north" be? ;]
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« Reply #349 on: December 04, 2009, 02:20:25 am »

Minneapolis  Roll Eyes
I was curious because I'm actually applying to Northeastern in Boston for architecture, hee hee. Twins!
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