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Dorian Ambrose
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« on: October 25, 2009, 04:18:34 pm »

Hello fellow gogglers.

For some time I have been considering hosting a steampunk weekend here in Denmark (perhaps in august?), and would like to know if you would be interested in making the trip to our little kingdom.
Or maybe the question should be: What would it take, for you to come to Denmark for an event?

So far, the plans include a trip on a steam train (where lunch will be served), with a beautiful castle as the final destination. Here we would dine. Of course this will be a proper feast. We could even do a white tie gala if this is what people want.
 
So far, the idea is that the night would be spend in tents near the castle (on castle grounds). The idea of tents is to keep the cost down a bit. At the moment, I am thinking about having large pavilion tents set up in advance.
The following day, there will be and opportunity to have a closer look at the castle and it's museums, and the weekend would be concluded with a picnic in the castle garden.

The train route could even be planned in such a way, that we could make a stop at the Danish railroad museum along the way.

All meals (food and drinks) would be included.

Here are a few photos of what I have so far:
Our train:
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The castle:
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A few different ideas are being kicked around at the moment. This is just one of them.

So the questions I need answered  is:
1: Would you come to Denmark for something like this?
2: How much would you be willing to pay for such an event?
3: Do you have any other ideas for activities? If so. What are they?

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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2009, 12:52:04 pm »

Anyone?
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« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2009, 10:09:24 am »

If I could afford it, I'd do so in a heartbeat.  Unfortunately, with travel prices being what they are out of Portland, I'd be looking at about two thousand dollars just for flight costs, so I'll have to pass.
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« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2009, 10:33:17 am »

look at The Asylum threads to see how that was put together. The main problem is function space and accomodation. You are asking for steampunk fans who will camp, this is a small subset of the community, mostly LARPers.

Have a word with your local SF community Con Organisers, the SF community is well represented in Denmark, usectheir knowledge and connections.
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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2009, 12:09:57 pm »

I concur with Mr Peter Harrow, Esq , campers are  few and far between, while i could, the problems caused would be high on my reasons for not going
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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2009, 12:16:35 am »

Which bit of Denmark is all this? Are there any north sea ferries which go to a nearby port? Otherwise i suspect few UK BGs would travel.
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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2009, 12:42:46 am »

I had considered going to the Eurocon a couple of years ago when it was held in Denmark, but I was looking at hotel accomodation.
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« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2009, 07:22:41 pm »

look at The Asylum threads to see how that was put together. The main problem is function space and accomodation. You are asking for steampunk fans who will camp, this is a small subset of the community, mostly LARPers.


When I say tents, I mean something like this:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
And yes. The sides close.

In my personal one, I usually have a double bed, a desk and a chair. So we are not talking those tiny things you take camping.

Anyway. That was just an idea to keep costs down. Other forms of accommodations are certainly available.

Have a word with your local SF community Con Organisers, the SF community is well represented in Denmark, usectheir knowledge and connections.


I am part of those groups  Smiley
I have been involved in organizing cons and the like, for about 9-10 years. The main reason I ask you guys for advise, is to get an insight into what the potential target group wants. After all, the success of any event, is measured only in the satisfaction of it's participants.

@ greensteam:
traveling to Denmark by the north sea ferries, would work quite well. They land about one hour by train from our starting point  Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2009, 01:53:01 am »

If I may offer a few comments Dorian.

First allow me to wish you luck in your endeavour. I know all too well the stumbling blocks in organising such an event.

I can only really offer a perspective of UK steampunks from my dealings with many of them assessing their needs.

Transport is a key issue - if you publicise where the venue is and how people can get there it allows them to start to think about it.
Camping will put many people off.  We had 30 people at our first steamy camp out but 450 at our first convention.  One major problem is the transportation of camping gear if people are flying or travelling by train.  People want to be able to carry lots of clothes and accessories and it is expensive to bring a car over to Denmark.  How is your venue supplied with hotel/B&B accomodation?

Cost will of course have a bearing.  Publicising the location allows people to calculate the cost too.

With all due respect you need to sell it a bit more.  Trains and castles are plentiful in the UK but people will want more - what about bands, authors, workshops, trade stalls etc?

I mean no disrespect or criticism at all.  It is just I understand that steampunks from the UK like to be given much more information before they can begin to say whether or not they are inclined to support an event.  We had a good year of ramblings about a UK gathering before we decided to take the bull by the horns and set up the Asylum.

If I can help at all don't hesitate to ask.

Best wishes.

John
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« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2009, 01:09:56 pm »

Well said Major, Denmark has a very good reputation for organising SF Conventions, some of which draw people across the world, link up with some of those organisers, and they may be able to help you on venue, accomodation, guests etc.

Lincoln was outstanding because it was reasonably accessible, in the middle of the Uk connected to major transport infrastructure and the venue itself is edge of City Centre, people could walk to the venue from the railwsy Station (unless thsy knew about Steep Hill) plenty of different grades of accomodation for people to book, plenty to see and do. If people are camping what about food and drink? Is everything going to be brought to a remote site? If there are cafes and restarant and shops in the immediate vicinity this takes a lot of pressure off the Convention to organize food.

If you are thinking of casting your net wider than Denmark then you need a particular draw, bands, authors etc. As the Major says the UK has Castles and steam railways (several around where I live), they add atmosphere certainly, but are not a draw, people can access them relatively easily normally. 

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« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2009, 01:59:30 pm »

I won't be able to make this..although if I could the camping aspect (even in a posh tent with a double bed) would  put me off a bit. However that is a very impressive lookming steam engine and a wonderful looking castle. I wish you every success with the venture.
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« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2009, 11:34:06 pm »

Transport is a key issue - if you publicise where the venue is and how people can get there it allows them to start to think about it.

The starting location will be either Randers or Vejle (Randers most likely). Both rather small towns that few outside Denmark will even have heard of. Both are close to the center of the Danish mainland.

Transportation to both towns, is simple. Travel times look something like this:

From the German border: About 2 hours by car. About 3 hours by train or bus.
From the north sea ferries: About 1 hour by train.
From Billund Airport: Under 1 hour by airport shuttle (to Vejle) or 2-3 hours by train (to Randers).

Camping will put many people off.  We had 30 people at our first steamy camp out but 450 at our first convention.  One major problem is the transportation of camping gear if people are flying or travelling by train.  People want to be able to carry lots of clothes and accessories and it is expensive to bring a car over to Denmark.  How is your venue supplied with hotel/B&B accomodation?

I can see that tents (even period correct luxury tents with beds) are not to peoples liking. But just to clarify completely. If tents were chosen, They would be set up in advance and taken down after, by the supporting crew. No guest would have to do anything other than enjoy themselves.

But as I said. Other forms of accommodation is available. I just need to know what people want. Anything from blanket in a ditch, to a 5-star hotel is possible. As long as it follows the theme.

With all due respect you need to sell it a bit more.  Trains and castles are plentiful in the UK but people will want more - what about bands, authors, workshops, trade stalls etc?

I know. All the elements are present in most halfway civilized countries. And as such, Denmark (or any other country for that matter) would never be able to offer something that could not be found somewhere else.
But like most things, it is not each ingredient but the sum of them all that would make this an event to remember.

But please. Let me hear what you would like. That is after all why I asked in the first place.
But keep in mind. This is not meant to be a convention, but an exclusive event.

I gave up on the idea of cons a long time ago. Why?
1: They are all the same. The same beginner workshops (even the "advanced" ones), the same authors talking about the same books and the same activities. Just wrapped in a different color paper.
2: There are simply to many of them. It seems like everyone is organizing a con these days. When I started, we still broke new ground with every one, but those days are gone.
3: Cons are low budget affairs by nature. They depend upon large numbers of guests. And I do NOT do "low budget".

In short. Most good organizers in Denmark, have chosen to make smaller, more exclusive events, targeted at those who want a unique experience.
 
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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2009, 12:26:21 am »

OK Dorien a direct answer to your question "what would it take to get you to Denmark for an event"?

1.  A vehicle transfer (car, minibus or coach) from the DFDS landing terminal to the venue with guide/courier.
2. Accomodation with a good quality private bathroom
3. Entertainment features which are not too structured that we can decide to forgo part of it if we wish.
4. A chance to meet with and socialise with other steampunks in pleasant, relaxed surroundings.
5. At least one feature social event (e.g. a formal dinner or a ball)
6. Attractions that are specifically relevant to the Danish understanding of the steampunk genre.

All of the above at a reasonable cost.  Bear in mind that travel to Denmark will be in the region of £150 per person as a start point.

I hope that is useful to you.  This relates purely to my good lady and I, I do not speak for UK steampunks in general.
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« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2009, 12:46:22 am »

@ TimeTinker:

Thank you for your input.

Now the big question. What would you consider a "reasonable price"?

BTW: Flying between England and Denmark is cheaper than the ferries 98% of the time.   
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« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2009, 10:41:09 am »

Flying would work out substantially more expensive for me personally because of which airports serve Denmark and their location in the UK. Also the luggage allowances would be either too low or too expensive for additional luggage.

You say you are not organising a con and you don't do low budget.  What you do have to do is look at value for money. I am sorry but I can't give a reasonable price since it really does depend on what you are supplying.  (Good old economics!) I can give an example of what our event costs:

The Asylum for 2010 is set to cost £75 per person (gold ticket) for which people get access to two full days programme of authors, workshops etc. This is not a standard SF con by the way so please don't insult us by equating it with such. The Bazaar should have around 30 traders within Lincoln Castle.  Evening entertainment will be twelve live bands over three stages/two nights.  The gold ticket also allows for a VIP lounge and buffet lunches each day.  There is of course the "Empire Ball" on Saturday night.

A 5 star suite (not just room) on site would cost around £200 per person (based on two sharing).  There are other cheaper accomodation packages.   

Cost for the Asylum is therefore £275 for a top of the range experience but could be as low as £100 for someone who is not so well off.

I hope that is helpful.
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