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« Reply #450 on: January 16, 2012, 11:52:50 pm » |
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LA LA LA LA I'm not listening to any of you......
I still haven't seen it
That is all!
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« Reply #451 on: January 23, 2012, 04:15:12 am » |
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I just re-watched the first one. I did like this installment, but for me it pales in comparison. Downy's characterization in the first is much more solid. He was also much more deductive, in my opinion. Also, the second movie gave us too much. I liked the idea of making this a franchise. By finishing the Moriarty arc you've taken away the shadow of Holmes' greatest opponent. |
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« Reply #452 on: January 23, 2012, 07:19:06 am » |
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I have not yet seen the second movie, but I did see (and now own) the first one. I withhold my opinion on the second, pending my viewing, but the first one was most certainly full on!
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« Reply #453 on: February 13, 2012, 11:06:06 pm » |
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By finishing the Moriarty arc you've taken away the shadow of Holmes' greatest opponent.
Ahh! But! being such an intelegent opponent what says Moriarty did not survive? After all Holmes did....... like Holmes Moriarty is a hard man to kill....... There was no search for the bodies shown in the movie no mention of burying either man........ Just the memorial service for Holmes....... |
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« Reply #454 on: February 14, 2012, 12:29:09 am » |
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By finishing the Moriarty arc you've taken away the shadow of Holmes' greatest opponent.
Ahh! But! being such an intelegent opponent what says Moriarty did not survive? After all Holmes did....... like Holmes Moriarty is a hard man to kill....... There was no search for the bodies shown in the movie no mention of burying either man........ Just the memorial service for Holmes....... Very good point, from what I remember of the novels Moriarty had multiple backup plans in case of failure so it is conceivable that they included it in the movie. |
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« Reply #455 on: May 20, 2012, 11:54:34 am » |
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We finally got to see this last night. Have to confess to being a little disappointed. Prefered the first one with it's London setting more. Typically, for the sequel, Ritchie decided they need more exotic locations and so they head off to Europe. I'd have preferred another London based adventure. Also thought that Ritchie over used Holmes' 'slo-mo pre-fight plan' a bit. Don't get me wrong..I am that rare breed..a Guy Ritchie fan. I like his style and his films (except the one with Madonna and 'Revolver' which were dreadful) but at times it almost seemed as if, it was over used to such an extent it could have been made by someone doing a spoof of Ritchie's style. I was quite likeing Stephen Fry as Mycroft until he started wandering around nonchalantly naked in front of Watson's wife..really? On the plus side I thought Jared Harris was great as Moriarty and although I was glad to see Sebastian Moran get a look in, I always imagined him as an older man. But then RDJ isn't how I imagine Holmes, either. If they go for a third installment I hope they reign it in a bit and try not to make too 'big' a film this time. Stay in London..get Lastrade and the Baker Street Irregulars involved again...focus less on the huge explosions and gun fights. Make it more Conan Doyle and less...Michael Bay |
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« Reply #456 on: May 20, 2012, 01:26:57 pm » |
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Has anyone else noticed how Moran just slips away at the end of the movie?
My money would be on him featuring as the antagonist in a conjectural third film to the franchise.
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« Reply #457 on: May 20, 2012, 01:34:23 pm » |
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That is exactly what happens in the books, Moran is the villain in the story in which Holmes reappears.
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« Reply #458 on: May 20, 2012, 01:41:55 pm » |
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That is exactly what happens in the books, Moran is the villain in the story in which Holmes reappears.
You've ruined the books for me now   (I haven't read that far through the canon yet)... |
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« Reply #459 on: May 20, 2012, 05:28:01 pm » |
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I enjoyed the second film but I agree that I hope if there there is a third film its more "The Great Detective" and less "The First Action Hero"
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« Reply #460 on: May 20, 2012, 08:08:26 pm » |
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Has anyone else noticed how Moran just slips away at the end of the movie?
My money would be on him featuring as the protagonist in a conjectural third film to the franchise.
I would have thought Holmes would be the hero in the third movie? |
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« Reply #461 on: May 21, 2012, 09:07:14 am » |
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Has anyone else noticed how Moran just slips away at the end of the movie?
My money would be on him featuring as the protagonist in a conjectural third film to the franchise.
I would have thought Holmes would be the hero in the third movie? Fixed it |
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« Reply #462 on: May 25, 2012, 02:40:12 am » |
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I've just seen this film and it reminded more of an adaptation of one of Sax Rhomer's Fu Manchu books than a Sherlock Holmes novel. I just replaced the names for Holmes and Watson with Denis Nayland Smith and Dr. Petrie and imagined Moriarty as a bald Chinaman and it seemed to fit just fine. Maybe someone swapped the dust jackets over in Guy Ritchie's library For those who have never read them but only heard of him through the Hammer horror films, which is probably everyone, they mainly consist of the evil Chinese genius trying to bring down the British government with a variety of over-elaborate plots, usually involving exotic assassins, rare poisons and complicated traps which get thwarted by the British heroes more through sheer grit, determination and a stiff upper lip than any kind of genius detective work. |
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« Reply #463 on: May 25, 2012, 11:40:03 am » |
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I've just seen this film and it reminded more of an adaptation of one of Sax Rhomer's Fu Manchu books than a Sherlock Holmes novel. I just replaced the names for Holmes and Watson with Denis Nayland Smith and Dr. Petrie and imagined Moriarty as a bald Chinaman and it seemed to fit just fine. Maybe someone swapped the dust jackets over in Guy Ritchie's library For those who have never read them but only heard of him through the Hammer horror films, which is probably everyone, they mainly consist of the evil Chinese genius trying to bring down the British government with a variety of over-elaborate plots, usually involving exotic assassins, rare poisons and complicated traps which get thwarted by the British heroes more through sheer grit, determination and a stiff upper lip than any kind of genius detective work. I would actually really like to see Sax Rohmer's heroes, Nayland-Smith and Petrie get the same sort of treatment Ritchie has given Holmes and Watson. Trouble is, in these PC days, they'd probably not be able to portray Fu Manchu as Rohmer intended. Mind you Rohmer's tales, read today, do tend to reek of British Imperialism where every foreigner is an untrustworthy, slimey scumbag and every Englishman is either a forlock tugging menial or has an upper lip so stiff he could have someone's eye out if he turns too quickly. |
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« Reply #464 on: May 26, 2012, 02:28:01 am » |
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I would actually really like to see Sax Rohmer's heroes, Nayland-Smith and Petrie get the same sort of treatment Ritchie has given Holmes and Watson. Trouble is, in these PC days, they'd probably not be able to portray Fu Manchu as Rohmer intended. Mind you Rohmer's tales, read today, do tend to reek of British Imperialism where every foreigner is an untrustworthy, slimey scumbag and every Englishman is either a forlock tugging menial or has an upper lip so stiff he could have someone's eye out if he turns too quickly.
I don't think Holmes was far off that. If its racial stereotyping that you think is holding them back then check out how Ritchie portrayed the various nations in his offering. I think that with less "adaptation for screenplay" than Holmes enjoyed it would be possible to put together some kind of comically stereotyped moustache tugging, pipe puffing chaps battling to save the British Empire from an evil genius in command of Oriental mysteries and assassins without making it any worse than say, some of Ritchies, Tarantino's or Rodriguez' films of late. It just has to be taken with a pinch of salt and a dose of context, rather like you need whenever you read Vicwardian writings today. I think the main reason it won't get made is because they aren't in the popular imagination any more. But it can't hurt to plant a seed |
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