New Sherlock Holmes Movie

[James Harrison]

To Harrison:  'Proper plot'?  You'll have to explain.  Although canonized characters appear in the new film, it's a far, far cry from anything Conan Doyle wrote...

Certainly.  Although far removed from anything Conan Doyle *actually* wrote, it had the feel that it was something he *could* have written.  Whereas the first film (to me) felt something like a story that borrowed Conan Doyle's characters and put them in something entirely different, there were certain flourishes in the second outing that tied it unambiguously to the canon (Reichenbach Falls, anyone?).  So as such it feels, to anyone who may not be a complete Holmes fanatic, to have that certain quality about it that this is a bona-fide Conan Doyle Holmes storyline that has been adjusted to become a film, rather than a film that just happens to feature Sherlock Holmes. 

[Mr Peter Harrow, Esq]

We jump into the story after Sherlock has made his principal deductions about Moriarty's scheme, this is shown. There is the nice bit between Mykey and Shirley, were they don't make smalltalk, they merely make deductions about each others lives which takes its place.

[Mikaela Macabre]

I thought that this movie was spectacular! It isn't exactly a replica of Doyle's work, but great nonetheless! 

[Ginny Blundy]

Just saw the film this weekend! It was fun, and I especially liked Noomi Rapace as Madam Simza (my friend, after the movie: "it was nice to see a strong woman in a role where she wasn't a love interest." Me: "She was my love interest").

I basically agree that the Robert Downey Jr. Holmes does not have as heavy a focus on intellect as action, and for me that's not "real" Sherlock Holmes. However, I find the movies fun and enjoyable to the point that I can just forget about it and take in the film. If I want what feels more accurate to the stories, I've got the Bendict Cumberbatch Sherlock.

[Rockula]

Now I liked the Sherlock movie but I liked the BBC's new Sherlock as well. I just can't decide...

There's only one way to find out....

[Herbert West]

Now I liked the Sherlock movie but I liked the BBC's new Sherlock as well. I just can't decide...

There's only one way to find out....

Aren't we allowed to like both?

[Mr Peter Harrow, Esq]

I like both, neither is a copy of the other, the Beeb version is a update of canon stories, the current film version is period but not canon, and both compare with the Brett which was both canon and period.

The two newer versions have strong portrayals of Watson and show Holmes dependency upon Watson, both played as far sharper than the average man, but still three steps behind Holmes.

[Rockula]

Now I liked the Sherlock movie but I liked the BBC's new Sherlock as well. I just can't decide...

There's only one way to find out....

Aren't we allowed to like both?

Yes. But my post is a comedy reference that has likely not 'crossed the pond' yet. Sorry.

[Herr Döktor]

Now I liked the Sherlock movie but I liked the BBC's new Sherlock as well. I just can't decide...

There's only one way to find out....

Aren't we allowed to like both?

Yes. But my post is a comedy reference that has likely not 'crossed the pond' yet. Sorry.

FIGHT!

I know I'm a bit late to say it, but I only just got around to seeing it tonight.

Little annoyed about the anachronistic gramophone- about five years too early for the 7-inch disc, and a good decade for the 10-inch, and the machines available in 1891 were all hand-cranked, but perhaps Moriarty was just ahead of the curve, or perhaps he had a sideline in perfecting the technology.

[Vampyre Master]

Doctor you need to get out more!! ;-)
saw it today, super film, though not Doyle,I've been a sherlockian for 20 years the only thing that got me was the appalling fit of the white gloves and Moriaty with a ginger beard, no one can look sinister sporting a Ginger beard
V

[Ulysses Reynolds]

Finally got around to seeing it last weekend. Great movie, but like the last one I felt that the mystery was to easy to solve. My favorite bits being the mental battle between Sherlock and Moriarty. And when Sherlock and Watson first reach the Gypsy encampment.

[psn1der]

I downloaded The Complete Sherlock Holmes on my kindle at Christmas, recently saw the movie and the BBC episodes.  Enjoyed them both, but liked the BBC stories better, I think.

Welcome to my Sherlock Holmes phase.  

PS.  Can anyone clarify the Irene Adler 'departure' a bit?  Moriarty did her in?  But doesn't he suggest to Holmes she was sick (TB?) when producing the hankie?  Was he just talking around it?  I'm not clear on what happened here.

[KABAR2]

I downloaded The Complete Sherlock Holmes on my kindle at Christmas, recently saw the movie and the BBC episodes.  Enjoyed them both, but liked the BBC stories better, I think.

Welcome to my Sherlock Holmes phase.  

PS.  Can anyone clarify the Irene Adler 'departure' a bit?  Moriarty did her in?  But doesn't he suggest to Holmes she was sick (TB?) when producing the hankie?  Was he just talking around it?  I'm not clear on what happened here.

Her tea was spiked by Moriarty's henchmen by a verilent form of TB, yes she was dead.... the hankie was a trophy and it gave Holmes the evidence she was dead...... When Holmes was at the armaments factory he passes through the lab where that and other nasty items were being created..... Holmes inspects an artillery shell the vile in the shell was suposed to be mustard gas or something like it.....

[psn1der]

Aha!  Thank you, Kabar2.  I didn't hear all of the TB conversation in the beginning and missed the connection when Holmes passed through the lab...

Thank you, again.

[The Corsair]

I downloaded The Complete Sherlock Holmes on my kindle at Christmas, recently saw the movie and the BBC episodes.  Enjoyed them both, but liked the BBC stories better, I think.

Welcome to my Sherlock Holmes phase.  

PS.  Can anyone clarify the Irene Adler 'departure' a bit?  Moriarty did her in?  But doesn't he suggest to Holmes she was sick (TB?) when producing the hankie?  Was he just talking around it?  I'm not clear on what happened here.

Her tea was spiked by Moriarty's henchmen by a verilent form of TB, yes she was dead.... the hankie was a trophy and it gave Holmes the evidence she was dead...... When Holmes was at the armaments factory he passes through the lab where that and other nasty items were being created..... Holmes inspects an artillery shell the vile in the shell was suposed to be mustard gas or something like it.....

Remember, though, that Adler has Plot Armour from being both a love interest and a lead. Also, when you put her through the Sorting Algorithm of Deadness there's the possibility that she's alive. She'll be back.

[Rev. Jade]

I was wondering, is the "personal oxygen supply" that Sherlock borrows from his brother something that actually existed in the Victorian era or was that a bit of Hollywood wizardry? I did a bit of googling but I wasn't really able to find anything conclusive.

[KABAR2]

If the personal oxygen supply did exist look under quackery.....

[Voltin]

I was wondering, is the "personal oxygen supply" that Sherlock borrows from his brother something that actually existed in the Victorian era or was that a bit of Hollywood wizardry? I did a bit of googling but I wasn't really able to find anything conclusive.

Well I am not quite sure when they came into being but during some "time" we added a Oxygen & Spirits bar onboard the SS Sonora Divinci.  

http://brassgoggles.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3455.575.html

Actually a personal oxygen supply device comes in quite handy when travelling by airship.

Oh and by the way, I absolutely loved this film!

[markf]

I was wondering, is the "personal oxygen supply" that Sherlock borrows from his brother something that actually existed in the Victorian era or was that a bit of Hollywood wizardry? I did a bit of googling but I wasn't really able to find anything conclusive.

Aqualungs with regulators were definitely Victorian era devices, so it is quite plausible. markf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqua-lung
"A previous regulator was invented in France in 1860 by Benoît Rouquayrol, the régulateur. First conceived as a flooded mines escape set the Rouquayrol regulator was adapted to diving in 1864 when Rouquayrol met the lieutenant de vaisseau Auguste Denayrouze. The Rouquayrol-Denayrouze apparatus started mass-production and commercialization as of August the 28th, 1865 when the French Navy Minister ordered the first apparati.[3] After 1884 several companies and entrepreneurs bought or inherited the patent and produced it until 1965."

[Mr Addams]

The Rouquayrol Regulator system is described in some detail by Jules Verne in 20,000 leagues under the sea.

"We use the Rouquayrol-Denayrouze device, invented by two of your
fellow countrymen but refined by me for my own special uses,
thereby enabling you to risk these new physiological conditions
without suffering any organic disorders.  It consists of a tank
built from heavy sheet iron in which I store air under a pressure
of fifty atmospheres.  This tank is fastened to the back by means
of straps, like a soldier's knapsack.  Its top part forms a box
where the air is regulated by a bellows mechanism and can be
released only at its proper tension.  In the Rouquayrol device
that has been in general use, two india-rubber hoses leave this
box and feed to a kind of tent that imprisons the operator's nose
and mouth; one hose is for the entrance of air to be inhaled,
the other for the exit of air to be exhaled, and the tongue closes
off the former or the latter depending on the breather's needs.
But in my case, since I face considerable pressures at the bottom
of the sea, I needed to enclose my head in a copper sphere,
like those found on standard diving suits, and the two hoses
for inhalation and exhalation now feed to that sphere."

But the modern aqualung system, that does not require alternately placing the users tongue over the air inlet and outlet hole was devised by Jacques-Yves Cousteau and Émile Gagnan in 1942.

The device featured in the film was very small and had no obvious tanks, so I am puzzled as to where the Oxygen was stored.

[Professor Hesketh]

Doctor you need to get out more!! ;-)
saw it today, super film, though not Doyle,I've been a sherlockian for 20 years the only thing that got me was the appalling fit of the white gloves and Moriaty with a ginger beard, no one can look sinister sporting a Ginger beard
V

The Master is quite right.  Although the term "ginger" is, I suspect, gingerist.  I haven't seen the film yet, BTW.  Probably get it out on DVD and watch with our friends in the next village with the best Indian takeaway this side of heaven.  That's my life.

On a related note, I suppose that's why Dave Prowse as Darth Vader was dubbed by the sonorous James Earl Jones.  No-one can be threatening with a West Country accent.  "Oi'm gonna get you, Luke Skoywaalkerr..."  Am liking More Than Freeman too.  And the lamb in Mongrels.  Get ahead, get elocution lessons...

[steamed]

Weather permitting, I hope to see the film this weekend.

Is it not in 3D?  I thought I saw listings in the newspaper for a 3D version but have not seen it mentioned as such since then.

[KABAR2]

But the modern aqualung system, that does not require alternately placing the users tongue over the air inlet and outlet hole was devised by Jacques-Yves Cousteau and Émile Gagnan in 1942.

The device featured in the film was very small and had no obvious tanks, so I am puzzled as to where the Oxygen was stored.

My father had a two stage "Cousteau" aqualung (made in France) serial number 342 with the original tank serial number 342 pre dating those put out by U.S.Divers..... sadly it is long gone..... my parents were in a dive club in florida from the early 1950's on... they had an invite from Cousteau onto the research vessel for dinner.... my mom was friends with Reginea Clark a marine biologist who wrote several books on the subject... one was called "the lady and the shark"....

the personal Oxygen device was self contained it had a small tank hanging down the front of it.

[steamed]

To answer my own question, the film was not in 3D. Not that it would have helped it much.

I had forgotten how miscast (and often annoying) Robert Diwney Jr is as Sherlock Holmes. Even though the sequel is better than the first film, I still found it be style over substance. It looked great, from a steampunk point of view. Except for Downey Jr,  the cast was terrific (could have had more scenes with Noomi Rapace).  I wish they would have come up with a good mystery and leave the action & explosions to James Bond.

[Capt. Dirigible]

I wish they would have come up with a good mystery and leave the action & explosions to James Bond.

I doubt the films would be so sucessful if they had.