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« Reply #675 on: November 02, 2009, 09:38:48 pm »

The Fairies and the Realms of the Dead
by Katharine Mary Briggs
(1898–1980)
Folklore, Vol. 81, No. 2
Summer, 1970, pages 81-96.

Presidential Address delivered before the Society at the
Annual General Meeting on March 18, I970

AT first sight the commonly received idea of Fairyland
seems as far as possible from the shadowy and bloodless
Realms of the Dead, and yet, in studying fairy-lore and
ghost-lore alike we are haunted and teased by resemblances
between them.

This is not to say that the Fairies and the Dead are
identical, or that the fairies derive entirely from notions
about the dead, only that there are many interconnections
between them, and that some classes of the dead were
undoubtedly regarded by the old people as inhabitants
of Fairyland.

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"Let us create vessels and sails fashioned for the heavenly Æther, for there
will be plenty of people who do not shrink from the vastness of space."
~ Johannes Kepler, letter to Galileo Galilei, 1609.
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« Reply #676 on: November 02, 2009, 09:42:20 pm »

In the North of England we have fairy hills again; like
Willy Howe, out of which the fairies darted to chase
anyone who was so rash as to challenge them, and the
fairy hill from which the Queen would give a white
healing powder to those who came and asked for it.

This again was evidence given in a witch trial,
recorded by Webster, but here, you will be glad to
know, the suspect was more mercifully treated than
he would have been in Scotland. There was also the
fairy hill from whence the goblet was stolen in
William of Newbridge's story.

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« Reply #677 on: November 02, 2009, 09:47:20 pm »

I recently ran across an example of the nuttiness used to make homeopathic "medicines". -People focusing the light from various planets through a telescope on to milk sugar powder which is then diluted and added to sugar pills.
Saturn:
http://www.interhomeopathy.org/index.php/journal/entry/trituration_proving_of_the_light_of_saturn/
Venus:
http://www.btinternet.com/~wellmother/venusbase.htm

I'm sorry can't come in to work today, I'm suffering from a Mercury overdose...  Roll Eyes

Anyway, since it is an example of combining a scientific tool, a telescope, with a magical usage I thought i might be inspiration for similar ideas to combine technology and magic in a steam punk world.


I stopped reading the first link when he mentioned theraputic plutonium.

Lovely, toxic theraputic plutonium  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #678 on: November 03, 2009, 12:03:28 am »

The Shining Pyramid
by Arthur Machen
Html'd Text @Project Gutenberg
http://tinyurl.com/yfsbk2n
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« Reply #679 on: November 03, 2009, 12:41:49 am »

Good to see some activity here at last! I hope everyone had an enjoyable Halloween.

Tophatdan - Though I am not yet an official member of the EOBD I can't imagine that you would be unwelcome as long as proper courtesy is maintained.

I think we must all endeavour to keep in mind that in the context of this Society "serious" discussion can occur regarding completely fictitious mythology and/or occult practices and the research concerning them. Persons may conduct their discourse in a "mundane" or "persona" fashion. I don't see a problem with that but it requires each of us to use discernment when reading and reacting to posts herein.

Cheers!
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« Reply #680 on: November 03, 2009, 02:16:21 am »

. . .I am not yet an official member of the EOBD. . . .
Actually, you automatically become a
member of this Society by contributing to the
discussion here -  for those new members who
didn't catch it a page or so back, once again
I bid you all a very warm Welcome to the
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« Reply #681 on: November 03, 2009, 02:46:04 am »

The Human-Fairy Marriage
by H. N. Gibson
Folklore, Vol. 66, No. 3
September, 1955, pages 357-360.

ONE of the commonest features of fairy mythology
is the marriage between a human-being and a fairy.
Folklore is full of stories of such marriages, and in
the middle ages many noble families prided
themselves on having fairy blood in their veins.

Yet no folklorist, as far as I have been able to
discover, has put forward a completely satisfactory
theory of how such an idea arose in the first place.

Requiring information on the point, I decided to
investigate the matter myself, and the following
paragraphs contain the results of my labours.
I offer them for what they are worth, in the hope
that they are not without interest.

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« Reply #682 on: November 03, 2009, 01:51:22 pm »

Quote
I recently ran across an example of the nuttiness used to make homeopathic "medicines"

homeopathy give us herbalists a bad name, often when i offer someone one of my concoctions they reply @it's not homeopathic, is it?" whilst turning up their noses.

how can something have an effect on the human body when the active ingredient has been diluted to such an extent that it is no longer quantifiable?

(sorry if this is a tad off topic but i needed to vent)
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« Reply #683 on: November 03, 2009, 07:40:19 pm »

Quote
I recently ran across an example of the nuttiness used to make homeopathic "medicines"

homeopathy give us herbalists a bad name, often when i offer someone one of my concoctions they reply @it's not homeopathic, is it?" whilst turning up their noses.

how can something have an effect on the human body when the active ingredient has been diluted to such an extent that it is no longer quantifiable?

(sorry if this is a tad off topic but i needed to vent)


i am a very dedicated user of herbs and minerals for health and wellness, one of my duties at my job is to construct diets based on the nutritional profile of the foods in a given recipe, and then add side dishes or other ingredients which contain necessary elements to make all of the nutrition bio-available... now that's not homeopathic, its just good sense, if someone is sick and you want them to get well, diet is a good place to start, if they aren't getting something they need in their diet, add it through other foods or if that isn't possible, through herbs in the form o teas or what i like to call 'sneak ingredients'
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« Reply #684 on: November 03, 2009, 10:03:39 pm »

how can something have an effect on the human body when the active ingredient has been diluted to such an extent that it is no longer quantifiable?



 Found this, not saying its true, but would explain it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_memory
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« Reply #685 on: November 04, 2009, 12:26:23 am »


The big problem with homeopathy is that it should be fairly easy to experimentally demonstrate its basic principle yet there is virtualy no evidence that it does anything.

Herbalism has no such problems, in fact a good proportion of mainstream medicines are directly derived from plants, aspirin, penicillin, and morphine are trivial examples. It sbiggst problem is that a lot of teh practical knowledge was wiped out by religious persecution of 'witches' in teh middle ages so a lot of the knowledge is waiting to be rediscovered.
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« Reply #686 on: November 04, 2009, 12:48:09 am »

i hardly would call burning a family of accused 'witches' so you can expand your fields onto their land "religious" persecution...

so often people confuse good old fashioned tyranny as being religiously inspired...

just because a tyrant wears a cross and uses thugs in robes to kill women, children and rival land owners doesn't mean the church made him do it... he was probably quite the complete bastard before he found god...

and just because an old woman has a pention for cursing at her neighbors and making awefull tasting tea doesn't mean she has any great knowledge of the natural world...

in all reality, the 'ancients' didn't know any more about herbs than any horticulture enthusiast knows today...

it just so happens that there was a horticulture enthusiast on every street corner back then... so by sheer numbers they seem to know more, its a quality vs. quantity issue...
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« Reply #687 on: November 04, 2009, 12:54:46 am »

Found this, not saying its true, but would explain it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_memory

Thanks For The Memory :
Experiments have backed what was once a
scientific 'heresy', says Lionel Milgrom
The Guardian, Thursday 15 March 2001
http://tinyurl.com/ykz2n8c

See also Prof. Brian Josephson's homepage
@U. Cambridge's Cavendish Laboratory
http://tinyurl.com/l5e6
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« Reply #688 on: November 04, 2009, 01:30:08 am »

Ok, I'll bite, I want in. Sign me up.
I've been studying the occult and alternative religions for nigh 20 years, was a telephone psychic for two weeks, and love street magic (the sleight-of-hand kind...that even Amazonian Shamans who yes, know all of the real stuff about the local flora and its medical and spiritual value, STILL practice, as sleight-of-hand has always been part of the occultist's 'bag of tricks', though generally frowned upon by modern practitioners), and have a modest understanding of edible, medicinal, and spiritual plants.  All in all I'm only a dabbler, and honestly I feel a good deal of it all is humbug, but there's good stuff in all of it if you have a good filter and a good skeptical streak to keep you from getting rolled.

So as a small and humble contribution, here's my Steampunk insomnia remedy, "Dr. Z's Empirically Proven Chronic Insomnia Cure":
-1 cup Melatonin-infused Chamomile Tea
-1 shot Strong Rum
-add warm milk to taste.
-NO SUGAR

*Drink at precisely the same time every evening, about 1 hour before the time you wish to sleep.
*Do your research!  Melatonin can have side effects.

I'm a horrible chronic insomniac (and I bet I'm not alone on this forum), and this works better than anything else I've ever tried.
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« Reply #689 on: November 04, 2009, 02:53:42 am »

. . .sleight-of-hand has always been part of the occultist's 'bag of tricks'. . .

The Spell of the Sensuous:
Perception and Language
in a More-than Human World

by David Abram

< Review by Christian de Quincey >

" With the skill of a poet and the precision
of a philosopher, Abram takes us into the
story of language itself. He tells us how,
as a sleight-of-hand magician, he was able
to enter the world of indigenous magicians
and to closely observe their intimate
relations with animals and plants. Then, as
a philosopher trained in the phenomenology
of Merleau-Ponty, he weaves this narrative
into an incisive and illuminating account
of the genesis of language in preverbal
communication between the human body
and the surrounding body of nature. "

Review continued here :
http://tinyurl.com/444vdw

See also :

The Trickster and the Paranormal
by George P. Hanson
Hanson's Homepage :
http://tinyurl.com/yfegrml
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« Reply #690 on: November 04, 2009, 02:55:47 am »

 Cheesy   Count me in as well.  I've been interested in the occult most of my life, and would enjoy speaking on the subject with others.
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« Reply #691 on: November 04, 2009, 03:28:55 am »

Khem, those link are cool!  Thanks!
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« Reply #692 on: November 05, 2009, 04:14:23 am »

how can something have an effect on the human body when the active ingredient has been diluted to such an extent that it is no longer quantifiable?



 Found this, not saying its true, but would explain it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_memory


Of course, for our purposes it doesn't matter that it's nonsense in modern science, it was a practice that was believed in during the 1800's so it's certainly valid for use in a steampunk world.
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« Reply #693 on: November 06, 2009, 08:25:13 pm »

Dearest Khem, you never cease to amaze with your seeming unlimited lists of resources. Your bibliographies alone make this Society worth being a member of.
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« Reply #694 on: November 13, 2009, 02:01:12 am »

Could anyone recommend some worthy resources on Aztec/Maya/Inca mythology? I am interested in actual scholarly treatises not the lurid pop-science stuff.

Thank you.
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« Reply #695 on: November 13, 2009, 06:19:39 pm »

Could anyone recommend some worthy resources on Aztec/Maya/Inca mythology? I am interested in actual scholarly treatises not the lurid pop-science stuff.

Thank you.

Perhaps not exactly, but there's a book called 'Broken Spears' by Leon-Portilla that tells the story of the Spanish invasion of the Aztec lands through the records left by the Aztecs THEMSELVES...sort of a re-telling of the event through the eyes of the historic vanquished.  Although it doesn't focus specifically on mythology, there are certainly very good sections on mythology, as it cannot be divorced from Aztec culture, architecture, etc.
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« Reply #696 on: November 13, 2009, 07:13:46 pm »

Could anyone recommend some worthy resources on Aztec/Maya/Inca mythology?

Here are a few texts available online
that may be of interest :

South and Meso-American Mythology
From A to Z

by Ann Bingham
http://tinyurl.com/ygngxc8

The Book of the People :
Popol Vuh

by Delia Goetz, Sylvanus Griswold
Online@GoogleBooks
http://tinyurl.com/ylb6d7h

Latin-American Mythology
by Hartley Burr Alexander, 1920.
Download@GoogleBooks
http://tinyurl.com/yfdcbf9
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« Reply #697 on: November 13, 2009, 07:42:51 pm »

Thank you gentlemen, I shall avail myself of your suggestions.
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« Reply #698 on: November 22, 2009, 12:00:25 am »

Salutations, greetings, good afternoon and hey there. Smiley
I sincerely apologise for my latest stint of absence but I'm back and active. Cheesy

I was just wondering if i could ask a favor from any of the many rune casters out there, i have had an idea for a Christmas present to give to my sister that has recently been given a kitten. My idea is to fashion a collar, of leather and inscribed with certain runes pertaining to protection/long life and good luck seeing as she will be our first "out-doorsy" cat. My question is, can anyone suggest any appropriate runes? I have a rough understanding of how to transfer the runes to the leather with there respective charms and have read a few rune sites but i would dearly like some first hand opinions. Smiley

Many seasonal returns. Smiley   (i know its not quite there yet but what the hell) Cheesy

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« Reply #699 on: November 22, 2009, 01:41:22 am »

Salutations, greetings, good afternoon and hey there. Smiley
I sincerely apologise for my latest stint of absence but I'm back and active. Cheesy

I was just wondering if i could ask a favor from any of the many rune casters out there, i have had an idea for a Christmas present to give to my sister that has recently been given a kitten. My idea is to fashion a collar, of leather and inscribed with certain runes pertaining to protection/long life and good luck seeing as she will be our first "out-doorsy" cat. My question is, can anyone suggest any appropriate runes? I have a rough understanding of how to transfer the runes to the leather with there respective charms and have read a few rune sites but i would dearly like some first hand opinions. Smiley

Many seasonal returns. Smiley   (i know its not quite there yet but what the hell) Cheesy

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I'd typically avoid any source that says: "this rune is a symbol for this, this rune is a symbol for that, etc."  unless it's REALLY well documented.  More often than not, this is a New-Agey approach that does not typify actual historical rune use.
If I were to do it, I'd research traditional Norse folk charms, i.e. find some little traditional protective poem (should be easy to find, they were inscribed on weapons and armor all over the place), and translate it into Old Norse (or Modern Icelandic, which is quite close), and then spell it out in runes.  Runes were and are primarily an alphabet.  Phonetic, like ours, not pictographic, like Japanes Kanji.
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