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« Reply #525 on: July 03, 2009, 02:06:43 am »

That's really interesting. I've never heard of it as a method for pain management before, and it's cool to hear how it works. Here they throw you some pills for just about any ailment. Is it a particularly wide-spread practice or relatively unique to yourself and clinic?

Sorry if I'm seriously derailing this thread, just too curious for my own good. Smiley
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« Reply #526 on: July 03, 2009, 02:38:33 am »

That's really interesting. I've never heard of it as a method for pain management before, and it's cool to hear how it works. Here they throw you some pills for just about any ailment. Is it a particularly wide-spread practice or relatively unique to yourself and clinic?

Sorry if I'm seriously derailing this thread, just too curious for my own good. Smiley

Well, it's fairly well-known among hypnotists, but not quite as much in clinics.  I don't work in a pain clinic, but in the psychology "wing" of a rather odd clinic that plays host to family medicine, osteopathic muscle manipulation, podiatry, and optometry as well.  Hopefully, I'll be able to get a few more folks together to spearhead an integrative pain center.

Most of my patients are on pills, too, and are referred to me by a primary care doctor in my clinic who aslo works in the muscle manipulation clinic.  I find that, while most of my patients don't become pill free (though some indeed do), they certainly lower their reliance on pain meds and increase their relative functionality.

Sorry, folks, this has become deciededly non-metaphysical....feel free to PM me if you have any kinds of questions!
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« Reply #527 on: July 03, 2009, 05:05:52 am »

If you can suggest any good texts related to mesmerism or any Victorian science that highlight the need for an audience, proof, that use science as entertainment etc, please make it known!

Audience, proof, scientism/religion,
entertainment, and ecstasy - with
a heady contrast and the occasional
transgression between the public
and the private, and between scientific
and socio-cultural ontology -
right this way...

Science and Spectacle
in the European Enlightenment

by Bernadette Bensaude-Vincent
and Christine Blondel
Ashgate Publishing, 2008.
http://tinyurl.com/lkp2km

Stage Presence
by Jane Goodall
Routledge, 2008.
http://tinyurl.com/nk9u2q

Fits, Trances, & Visions :
Experiencing Religion and
Explaining Experience
from Wesley to James

by Ann Taves
Princeton UP, 1999.
http://tinyurl.com/ne8px8
http://tinyurl.com/ox5rxm

Religion,
Altered States of Consciousness,
and Social Change

by Erika Bourguignon
Ohio State UP, 1973.

Possession
by Erika Bourguignon
Chandler & Sharp Publishers, 1976.

Music and Trance:
A Theory of the Relations
Between Music and Possession

by Gilbert Rouget
University of Chicago Press, 1985.
http://tinyurl.com/myxosj

Networks of Meaning :
A Bridge Between Mind and Matter

by Christine Hardy
Greenwood Publishing Group, 1998.
http://tinyurl.com/mpzepm

Etherology,
and the Phreno-Philosophy
of Mesmerism and Magic Eloquence

by James Stanley Grimes
and W. G. Le Duc
J. Munroe and Company, 1850.
http://tinyurl.com/noul6m

'Transported Shiver of Bodies' :
Weighing the Victorian Ether

by Steven Connor
http://tinyurl.com/kkoay9

The Technology of Orgasm:
"Hysteria," the Vibrator,
and Women's Sexual Satisfaction

by Rachel P. Maines
JHU Press, 2001.
http://tinyurl.com/nqnfx7

Pushbutton Psychiatry :
A History of Electroshock in America

by Timothy W. Kneeland
and Carol A. B. Warren
Greenwood Publishing Group, 2002.
http://tinyurl.com/m53n63

The Darkened Room :
Women, Power, and Spiritualism
in Late Victorian England

by Alex Owen
University of Chicago Press, 2004.
http://tinyurl.com/lfo49l

O :
The Intimate History of the Orgasm

by Jonathan Margolis
Grove Press, 2005.
http://tinyurl.com/lzyns3

The Shaking Quakers
http://tinyurl.com/nwccfx

Ecstasy Through Tantra
by John Mumford
Llewellyn Worldwide, 2003.
http://tinyurl.com/nmbcqx

The Ghost-Dance Religion
and Wounded Knee

by James Mooney
Courier Dover Publications, 1991.
http://tinyurl.com/la5s6o

The Ghost-Dance Religion
and the Sioux Outbreak of 1890

by James Mooney
Government Printing Office, 1896.
http://tinyurl.com/l4p4zm

Jurgen :
A Comedy of Justice

by James Branch Cabell
R. M. McBride & Co., 1919.
Page 153 - "The Breaking of the Veil" -
is Cabell flipping the bird to Anthony
Comstock's "Society for the Suppression
of Vice" with his own version of Crowley's
"Mass".
http://tinyurl.com/n59q8n

The Gnostic Mass
http://tinyurl.com/94xdsq

Wicca and the Christian Heritage :
Ritual, Sex and Magic

by Joanne Pearson
Taylor & Francis, 2007.
http://tinyurl.com/nv3ead

[ note : I substituted scientism for science,
since I saw the word 'proof', and we speak
of 'proof' in mathematics, not science.

Science is about the amount and quality of
evidence, the development of theories
that can explain that evidence, and the
design of experiments that confirm,
modify, or contradict those theories.

You can't very well prove something that
isn't eternally inviolate, now can you? ]
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« Reply #528 on: July 03, 2009, 05:37:53 am »

Quote
You can't very well prove something that
isn't eternally inviolate, now can you?

*applause*  That's quite a collection! 

I especially appreciated your above comment...I frequently tell my students in research methods to temporarily remove the words "truth" and "proof" from their personal lexicons for the duration of the semester.
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« Reply #529 on: July 03, 2009, 09:37:32 am »

The quote I am basing my opening chapter on may go some way as to explaining what I mean by truth and proof, I am not the bst person with words. Its by Chauncey Hare Townsend, from Facts in Mesmerism (1840):

"We never behold this power but in its results. It cannot even be made evident, like the electric spark, or felt in our own persons, like galvanic concussion. The needle that has become the magnet, has undergone no change which any mortal sight is fine enough to appreciate, has acquired no weight which can be detected by our earthly senses. Yet solely because we are sure that we behold certain phenomena, we allow that there is a distinct form of electricity, to which we have given the name of magnetism....There is a class of persons who refuse to admit of anything which they cannot see, taste, or handle; with such it is difficult to argue. Should proofs by experiment be exhibited to them again and again, they still return their cuckoo note-"show me the agent". One of these practical men...said to me on one occasion "I never will believe that which you call mesmerism exists, unless you can put it in a botle, and submit it for analysis""
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« Reply #530 on: July 03, 2009, 12:12:57 pm »

What about an occasional dinner for members in various branches of the military like the PsyCorps Necromancy Corps...

Damn your very eyes Man. That just gave me an idea for a new outfit... I can't be doing with ideas right in the middle of my delicate experiments.

Oh and count me in. Long time sympathiser with all things occult. I used to even read tarot professionally for a while.
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« Reply #531 on: July 03, 2009, 08:25:18 pm »

"I never will believe that which you call mesmerism exists, unless you can put it in a bottle, and submit it for analysis""

That's mighty tough talk from a
zombie ( or is it a zimbo (?))  Huh

Since you are already enrolled
in a course of Gothic Study, I
suggest that you take a look
at the work of Karl Popper and
Paul Feyerabend - it just doesn't
get more Goth than that Wink
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« Reply #532 on: July 03, 2009, 08:32:01 pm »

Will do!
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« Reply #533 on: July 03, 2009, 09:58:21 pm »

DrTom, I have a way to roll your side on hypnotism into one of my concepts concerning the world of the occult.

I used to ride my bicycle a fair bit and sometime my rides would take me past a “New age” bookstore and shop.  I was always curious about the place so on one of my rides I made a stop and went inside for a look around.  I’m not really a sceptic, I have my own personal beliefs but nothing in the shop caught my interest.  For the most part it was overpriced shiny trinkets that were promised to cure any ailment or enhance this or that.  I commented politely about this impression to the person working there and had a short conversation where they had asked me if I’d ever listened to a stone talking.  I haven’t, and I doubt I ever will.  I left the shop and continued my ride, but my thoughts mulled over the whole thing and this is what came up.

Is it the stone that holds meaning or is it we who give it meaning?  Gold would be a worthless mineral if anyone could just dig it up out of the ground anywhere without any effort or if it wasn’t so shiny and pretty to the human eye.  Its gold’s rarity and perceived beauty that gives it it’s worth.

So could this concept also apply to stones and trinkets believed to hold power or significance for the occult?

There is an amazing capacity in the human mind.  And it is this capacity that can help heal our illnesses, ease our pain and help us achieve the seemingly unattainable.  The placebo effect is a perfect example.  Sometimes the belief that a cure will work is enough for the mind to do the work.  DrTom’s work with hypnotism is another example, from what it seems to me, he’s helping people learn to use their minds to ease their pain.

At the risk of crossing the no religion line, in the bible Christ said to many of the people he healed, “your faith has healed you.”  I’d go on into my personal belief concerning this but that would truly cross the line.

So then, could it be possible that our belief in instruments of the occult such as Tarot cards, talismans etc. helps unlock something within ourselves that escapes the bounds of scientific understanding?  Could human belief be the source of magic?

I’m greatly interested in what others may have to say about this and perhaps later I’ll continue with this line of reasoning and ponder why magic and faith in general have become so marginalized in modern society.
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« Reply #534 on: July 03, 2009, 10:15:45 pm »

Thank you for writing the introduction for my dissertation for me Tongue
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« Reply #535 on: July 04, 2009, 03:31:52 am »

DrTom, I have a way to roll your side on hypnotism into one of my concepts concerning the world of the occult.

<snip>

So then, could it be possible that our belief in instruments of the occult such as Tarot cards, talismans etc. helps unlock something within ourselves that escapes the bounds of scientific understanding?  Could human belief be the source of magic?

I would agree with you.  You might be interested in some of Fred Alan Wolf's work in quantum physics (very debatable conclusions, but interesting nonetheless).  Start with Taking the Quantum Leap and see where it leads you (don't fret if you're not a physicist...it's written for the lay public with an eye toward metaphysics).
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« Reply #536 on: July 04, 2009, 04:59:13 am »

[C]ould it be possible that our belief in instruments of the occult such as Tarot cards, talismans etc. helps unlock something within ourselves that escapes the bounds of scientific understanding?  Could human belief be the source of magic?

This is precisely the argument that Marsilio
Ficino used back in the 1400s, in order to
deflect the unwanted attentions of the
Inquisition from his magical (and arguably
pagan) pursuits :

" Ficino could claim that the characters
and invocations were directed to the
operator's intelligence and imagination,
not to an intelligentia separata, i.e.
an angel or demon; that when he sang a
hymn to the sun, he did not hope to make
the sun do anything out of the ordinary,
but to make his own spirit more solarian,
to make it more receptive to the natural
influxes from the sun. "

~ from :

Spiritual and Demonic Magic
From Ficino to Campanella

by Daniel Pickering Walker
http://tinyurl.com/nj9azf

Ficino's Natural Magic
http://tinyurl.com/oaxqz

Moore takes this psychologizing and
metaphorical approach even further :

The Planets Within :
The Astrological Psychology
of Marsilio Ficino

by Thomas Moore, 1990.
http://tinyurl.com/l64sr8

The Planets Within
by Thomas Moore
Reviewed by Roberta C. Allen

http://tinyurl.com/mbcrca

Ficino's approach to astral magic is
still occasionally discussed in some
contemporary astrological texts :

Mythic Astrology Applied :
Personal Healing Through the Planets

by Gail Guttman, Ariel Guttman,
and Kenneth Johnson
http://tinyurl.com/ldp2kd

And then there are those ( Ficino among
them, albeit 'under cover' ) fielding the
hypothesis that there is some 'informative'
or 'ensouling' aspect to material objects
themselves, perhaps involving some
mechanism similar to magnetic recording
tape, possibly even something we might
call 'panpsychic'.

This group includes folks like Reichenbach
and Charcot ( of the Salpetriere School ),
for example.

Possibly some of you "across the pond"
recall the Dragon Project and its
work at the Rollright Stones?

One of the investigators, chemist Don Robins,
wrote a book that discusses some of this :

" The solid state chemist Don Robbins in
his book, The Secret Language of Stone,
looks at the crystal structures of the
most common minerals in our planet,
like quartz, and draws special attention
to defects that are ubiquitous in their
crystal structures at the molecular level.
He says that "there was a rogue energy
in the heart of the crystal, and there
were reservoirs within the defects where
incoming energy could be trapped, stored
and transmuted." This transmutation
capability at the heart of the crystal
can transform heat and magnetic energy
into electricity and light and sometimes
further into sound waves.

This transformed energy could act
as stored information.


Perhaps the singing of our oracle stone
is not a freak of the supernatural but the
calculated emergence of an indigenous
science. Modern scientists, in their search
for superconductors, are only beginning
to understand this pulsing web of energy
present in almost every stone. "

~ from :

Review :

The Secret Language of Stone

by Patrick Marsolek
http://tinyurl.com/mygs6l

See also :

Psychical Physics :
A Scientific Analysis of Dowsing
Radiesthesia and Kindred Divining
Phenomena

by Solco Walle Tromp
New York, Elsevier Pub. Co., 1949.
http://tinyurl.com/kunabx

Integrative Biophysics :
Biophotonics

by Fritz Albert Popp
and L. V. Belousov
Springer, 2003.
http://tinyurl.com/mubq5x

Where Science and Magic Meet
by Dr. Serena Roney-Dougal
Articles of Interest
http://tinyurl.com/44qgzx
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« Reply #537 on: July 04, 2009, 06:08:54 am »

Thank you for writing the introduction for my dissertation for me Tongue
Your welcome?  This is just the stuff I think about before going to my terribly mundane (Not to mention monotonous) job.

I always did have a thing for essay writing though.

Khem Caigan & DrTom

Thank you for those suggestions, I’ll keep them in mind if I ever feel like expanding on the idea at some point.  Mostly I muse on matters like this to use as a basis for writing fiction.  I never liked how magic is presented in most fantasy, mostly that someone with magic is just inherently special and because they have the gift they just need the right magic words to do whatever they want.

I think that faith based magic is a little more inclusive, the user isn’t “special” or “chosen” just someone who believes in their craft very strongly.  I think that makes for a much more interesting story and more dynamic characters.

Although my primary goal in life is to inspire people to dream big and aim high.  This is why I’m starting college in the fall to work on a degree in theatre production and possibly continuing on into a film production degree.  Making magic of my own kind I suppose.
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« Reply #538 on: July 04, 2009, 08:22:12 am »

So then, could it be possible that our belief in instruments of the occult such as Tarot cards, talismans etc. helps unlock something within ourselves that escapes the bounds of scientific understanding?  Could human belief be the source of magic?
I do believe in faeries, I do, I do.
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« Reply #539 on: July 04, 2009, 03:06:33 pm »

So then, could it be possible that our belief in instruments of the occult such as Tarot cards, talismans etc. helps unlock something within ourselves that escapes the bounds of scientific understanding?  Could human belief be the source of magic?

"Sympathetic Magic," at least, is concerned mainly with exactly that: the degree to which the subject believes that the magic is possible and efficacious being proportional to the degree to which it is in fact possible and efficacious.

(Sometimes I need to be hit upside the head with my own thesaurus)

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« Reply #540 on: July 04, 2009, 03:37:19 pm »

"Sympathetic Magic," at least, is concerned mainly with exactly that: the degree to which the subject believes that the magic is possible and efficacious being proportional to the degree to which it is in fact possible and efficacious.

When we go through the anthropological
literature, we find that Sympathetic
Magic is not solely a transaction between
magicians and humans - it also involves
transactions between magicians and
animals and weather, for example; and
we don't usually think of other animals
or of the weather as subjects possessing
any beliefs to effect.

The Golden Bough
by Sir James George Frazer
Chapter 3
Sympathetic Magic and Contagious Magic
http://tinyurl.com/ntnefm

Sympathetic Magic
From Wikipedia
http://tinyurl.com/flpf8
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« Reply #541 on: July 04, 2009, 08:31:03 pm »

And while we are on the subject of the
influence of one's beliefs and attitudes
on 'magical' abilities :

" Gertrude Schmeidler, then a professor
of psychology at the City College of New
York, asked her subjects if they believed
ESP to be possible under the conditions
of the experiment.

On the basis of their replies, she labeled
them as "sheep", those who believed in
the possibility of ESP, and "goats", those
who rejected the possibility.

She found that sheep generally tended
to obtain more hits than goats did.

The sheep-goat effect, as it is now known,
is one of the more widely researched
topics in parapsychology. "

~ from :

Basic Research in Parapsychology
by K. Ramakrishna Rao
and K. Rama-Krishna Rao
pages 23-24.
http://tinyurl.com/me8wlt

The Sheep - Goat Effect
Mario Varvoglis, Ph.D.
http://tinyurl.com/5x59bm

Gertrude Schmeidler: Fifty Years
in the Field of Parapsychology

Sally Ann Drucker
http://tinyurl.com/3jkpqn

Register of the Gertrude Raffel
Schmeidler Papers, 1943-1983

http://tinyurl.com/3z2npd

For those looking for an overview of psi
studies, I recommend Dean Radin's The
Conscious Universe : The Scientific
Truth of Psychic Phenomena
, 1997.

And below is a link to some articles and
essays on psi written by Brian Josephson  :

http://tinyurl.com/69cngz

" Psi in itself, is a talent, a force, a power
that can be used for good or evil, as it is
so well exemplified in our mythical and
fairy tale literature.

Taking this theoretical assumption as
potential fact, I would be downright scared
if the present-day materialist establishment
scientist accepted ESP and PK.

After all, look what they did with the
discovery of atomic physics; they, together
with the politicians, promptly turned it into
the ever-present threat of world destruction
that has so profoundly affected every aspect
of our lives ever since.

I would not trust the present-day scientific
and political establishment to put psi to
good use because its major impetus is life
destructive. "

~ Serena Roney-Dougal, How the Scientific
Establishment's Acceptance of ESP and PK
Would Influence Contemporary Society
,
1992.
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« Reply #542 on: July 05, 2009, 05:59:51 pm »


There is an amazing capacity in the human mind.  And it is this capacity that can help heal our illnesses, ease our pain and help us achieve the seemingly unattainable.  The placebo effect is a perfect example.  Sometimes the belief that a cure will work is enough for the mind to do the work. 

I have had a personal experience with this.  In 2002, I attended a women's spirituality conference in Glastonbury.  Our activities included a visit to Chalice Well to experience the healing waters. At the time I had a rather horrible outbreak of psoriasis on my left ankle.  At Chalice Well I was able to stand in the lower pool where the overflow from the sacred well runs out, and spent about 20 minutes in the water.  As you might have guessed, my ankle began healing almost immediately.  By the end of the week, the psoriasis was completely gone, and seven years later it has not returned (though I do have a prominent discolored patch of smooth skin where the plaques used to be).

Later I did some reading on "miracle healings" such as taking the waters at Lourdes, etc., and I read that the most often cured ailments are skin conditions, possibly because there is a very strong body-mind connection between what appears on our outer skin and what is going on psychologically within.  Whatever the case, my psoriasis is gone, and I am glad of it!  Smiley
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« Reply #543 on: July 05, 2009, 09:49:01 pm »

I think that if someone believes hard enough anything can happen. the problem is that now a days even with people like us who believe more in these kind of things almost anyone else still have more doubt then people in the past. In ancient times lighting was Zeus angry at someone so it made perfect sense that if you where favored by him calling down lighting would be a simple thing. now we "know" that lighting is static electricity gathered in the clouds through friction of the air particles that is released to the ground. we just do not have the perfect belief in such things. I figure that if I study the theory behind magic I can achieve what simple belief falls short of. if the magic of the past does not work like it should make a new way to do it. our ancestors found magic so I don't see why we cant do it ourselves.
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« Reply #544 on: July 06, 2009, 04:19:29 am »

This is what I was thinking on earlier.  I may get dangerously close to crossing the line on the no religion discussion policy.

Generally, my view of how religion in the western world handles faith is “Fast Food Faith.”  It’s processed, mass produced and kind of tasteless.  I don’t eat fast food and it’s been some time since I last went to church (although I admit I really should go).  The reason is partly western culture.  It’s generally self centered and “Busy” We don’t have the time for deep reflection on our beliefs, we want our dose of god and to get on with our day.  Our time is important and we never have enough.  (People look at me funny when I say I don’t work Sundays.)

Now I’m not saying that faith is weaker now than it used to be.  I’ve known some people with very strong faith and I’ve met people who have clamed to have witnessed miracles.  I think the difference is that fewer people are making their faith their own.  They’re not taking the time to reflect and consider what it all means to them.

Now I think what zak gearwork said is partly true, miracles and such used to happen because people believed they could happen.  I’d love to get into a long debate about faith shaping reality but that would be a definite violation of the religion guidelines on the forum.

If we accept that magic and miracles are born of our belief in such things, then why are such things so marginalized in our society?  At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy nut or Dr. Steel, I would say it is the institutions in power that keep magic down.  They do it through fear, because scared people are easier to manipulate.  They show us all the terrible things that could come in the night to harm us and tell us that they have a way to protect us.  We go along, because we are afraid and we give in to anything they ask.

Now, whether this next part is intentional or otherwise I really don’t know, but fear and doubt go hand in hand.  Doubt is what can kill faith, not so much in the object of that faith but in ourselves.  Whether the power of magic comes from ourselves or from something else, we have to believe in our ability to use it.  In the modern world, it is very hard to come by that kind of faith.

I hope you can make sense of that.  I’ve got a bit of a migraine so I’m not the most coherent right now.
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« Reply #545 on: July 06, 2009, 01:50:16 pm »

My copy of "Stage Presence: The Actor as Mesmerist" arrived today, its very very good Cheesy

EDIT: Also, can anyone tell me about Thomas Edison's "Valve", his devise to communicate with the dead? Is the 1920 essya the only mention of it?

""Now what I propose to do is furnish psychic investigators with an apparatus which will give a scientific aspect to their work. This apparatus, let me explain, is in the nature of a valve, so to speak. That is to say, the slightest conceivable effort is made to exert many times its initial power for indicative purposes. It is similar to a modern power house, where man, with his relatively puny one-eighth horse-power, turns a valve which starts a 50,000-horse-power steam turbine. My apparatus is along those lines, in that the slightest effort which it intercepts will be magnified many times so as to give us whatever form of record we desire for the purpose of investigation. Beyond that I don’t care to say anything further regarding its nature. I have been working out the details for some time; indeed, a collaborator in this work died only the other day. In that he knew exactly what I am after in this work, I believe he ought to be the first to use it if he is able to do so.""
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« Reply #546 on: July 07, 2009, 01:33:48 am »

Psycho-Phone
Messages
Recorded By
Francis Grierson

Published by
Austin Publishing Company,
Los Angeles, California
1921
Download @GoogleBooks
http://tinyurl.com/lxf6rs

Jesse Francis Grierson Shepard
http://tinyurl.com/nxtm7g

Fleming's "valve", or vacuum diode,
was already available during the
period in question, by-the-way.

Even today, one of the standard ways
of generating "white noise" for EVP
experiments involves substituting a
diode for the microphone that is
attached to a tape recorder :

Spoiler: Raudive Diode (click to show/hide)

As Serena Roney-Dougal rightly
observes, in her Where Science and
Magic Meet
, "The more sensitive a
thing, the more unstable, and the
easier to influence."

See also :

What is Electronic Voice Phenomena
(EVP)?

by Jill Stefko
http://tinyurl.com/m4f4mu

1/f Noise :
A Pedagogical Review

Edoardo Milotti (.PDF)
http://tinyurl.com/m22aq3

Quantum Model of Paranormal Phenomena
by Matti Pitkanen
http://tinyurl.com/moayrd
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« Reply #547 on: July 07, 2009, 08:14:49 am »

Yeah, I did some digging around, the essay was the only mention of it, he died before he could draw up blue prints or make a model of it.

Sounds like a challenge!
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« Reply #548 on: July 07, 2009, 05:41:09 pm »

Yeah, I did some digging around, the essay was the only mention of it, he died before he could draw up blue prints or make a model of it.

If you are at all interested in the history
of Electronic Voice Phenomena, I would
suggest that you cast a wider net.

Edison was by no means unique in his
pursuit of instrumental communication
with the Spirit World, and he "borrowed"
his own device from the work of others
- just as he had done with the phonograph
developed by Charles Cros (1846-88),
for example. (Charles Cros also proposed
a method for communicating with Mars
and Venus, in his Études sur les moyens
de communication avec les planètes
of
1869, and he developed a technique for
growing rubies in flux.)

  "Charles Cros, inventor of the phonograph,
was the most popular poet-singer of this kind
in mid-19th-century Paris, and his poems spoke
for a way of life completely unassimilable by
the money-crazy, hypocritical, debauched, and
puritanical society of Louis Napoleon's
gimcrack Second Empire.

"It is from people like Charles Cros, simple,
sensuous, lyrical, and sarcastic, that poets
like Verlaine come, and all of those that he,
Verlaine, first called 'poètes maudits,' the
cursed, the outcast poets, Germain Nouveau,
Arthur Rimbaud, Alfred Jarry, Tristan Corbière,
Jean Richepin.

All of these poets are still sung."

~ from :

Subversive Aspects of Popular Songs
by Kenneth Rexroth
http://tinyurl.com/m6pmca
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« Reply #549 on: July 07, 2009, 06:09:19 pm »

Thats very interesting, but its specifically The Valve I am looking for imformation on, powered by what I can only assume was Aether or quantum unparticled mass (are these the same? Hmmm)...
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