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« Reply #350 on: March 26, 2009, 02:20:22 pm »

Um, maybe Swedenborg was the first person to try to create and codify equivalences between different symbol systems (you know like the way 777 mixes together Egyptian, Kabbalah, astrology, gems, herbs, colours etc etc?  (Though one could argue that Christian Kabbalah was an attempt to create equivalences between different symbol systems, I suppose.)


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« Reply #351 on: March 26, 2009, 04:49:25 pm »

i'm so glad this thread has been resurected, so many uslefull and interesting links keep popping up in it, does any one else have any more
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« Reply #352 on: March 26, 2009, 07:47:15 pm »

Um, maybe Swedenborg was the first person to try to create and codify equivalences between different symbol systems (you know like the way 777 mixes together Egyptian, Kabbalah, astrology, gems, herbs, colours etc etc?

But Athanasius Kircher did all
that, and before Swedenborg
was born :

1601 / 1602 - 1680
Athanasius Kircher
from Wikipedia
http://tinyurl.com/c99jkh

Athanasius Kircher
Musurgia Universalis

http://tinyurl.com/4u5997

Athanasius Kircher and
the Egyptian Oedipus

by Ingrid D. Rowland
http://tinyurl.com/cbt3gf

Kircher's Tree of Life
http://tinyurl.com/c5ngvv

Like I said - it's puzzling.
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« Reply #353 on: March 26, 2009, 08:12:08 pm »

Mead or Wine or Beer would be preferred. Odin is an appropriate choice for empowering Runes, but not necessarily the only one.

Just want to state, that if working with Odin, he is known to only drink wine, though I have yet to figure out if he preffers red or white. The old texts are pretty vague on that
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« Reply #354 on: March 26, 2009, 09:58:28 pm »

But Athanasius Kircher did all that, and before Swedenborg was born

Like I said - it's puzzling.
Yes - in that case I don't know why Swedenborg should get the credit.  Maybe he just assimilated everything that went before (geddit?)
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« Reply #355 on: March 27, 2009, 12:12:01 am »

So could any of you chums find some good resources on Magick circles and the like for me?
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« Reply #356 on: March 27, 2009, 12:46:16 am »

But Athanasius Kircher did all that, and before Swedenborg was born

Like I said - it's puzzling.
Yes - in that case I don't know why Swedenborg should get the credit.  Maybe he just assimilated everything that went before (geddit?)


That is what I initially thought - and
yet, his contributions don't receive
any mention or credit at all in any
of the papers or studies of the Golden
Dawn or of Crowley that I am familiar
with ( 777 is largely drawn from the
Flying Scrolls circulated by the G:.D:.
among its initiates ).

I did a bit more research online, and
then made a detour into town today
while out shopping, to look up Mr.
Swedenborg's Arcana Coelestia
at one of our local libraries ( we live
near the Larsen's Farm, aka the Center
for Symbolic Studies
, in New Paltz, NY
- lots of Swedenborg fans hereabouts ).

After scanning through the index and
all twelve volumes of Arcana Coelestia,
I can say that Emmanuel Swedenborg
is indeed responsible for creating a
system of correspondences; it is one
that is entirely idiosyncratic to himself
and, presumably, of some utility to
other Swedenborgians, but has
absolutely nothing at all to do with
the Hermetic correspondences that we
find in the G:.D:., O:.T:.O:., Agrippa,
the Magical Calendar, the various
mediaeval grimoires, &tc.

I also found another one of Kircher's
tables, at the Yeats' Vision site :

Coptic Mansions of the Moon, from
Kircher's Oedipus Aegyptiacus
Rome, 1652-54 :
@ Yeats Vision :
The Mansions of the Moon

http://tinyurl.com/ccjq54

And here is a link to an online
version of 777 :

Liber 777 ( .PDF )
http://tinyurl.com/z2hk3
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« Reply #357 on: March 27, 2009, 01:00:48 am »

So could any of you chums find some good resources on Magic circles and the like for me?

Here you go, old stick - just head
on over to the Twilit Grotto :

Archives of Western Esoterica
http://tinyurl.com/5smsg5

( Some excellent Brunian material
may be found there as well, for
those fans of "the Nolan" )
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« Reply #358 on: March 27, 2009, 01:58:22 am »

Thank you my good man, I will be sure to look over it at a later period. (Trying to speak all Steamy/Victorianish, how am I doing? xD)
Here you go, old stick - just head
on over to the Twilit Grotto :

Archives of Western Esoterica
http://tinyurl.com/5smsg5

( Some excellent Brunian material
may be found there as well, for
those fans of "the Nolan" )
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« Reply #359 on: March 27, 2009, 05:27:50 am »

Thank you my good man, I will be sure to look over it at a later period. (Trying to speak all Steamy/Victorianish, how am I doing? xD)
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« Reply #360 on: March 27, 2009, 07:03:05 am »

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« Reply #361 on: March 27, 2009, 08:53:02 am »

Chymicus Rationalis
  or, the
Fundamental Grounds
  of the
Chymical Art
Rationally Stated and Demonstrated,
  by Various
Examples in Distillation, Rectification,
and Exaltation of Vinous Spirits,
Tinctures, Oils, Salts, Powers,
and
Oleosums; in such a Method as to
retain the Specific Virtue of
Concretes in the greatest Power
and Force.

By William Yworth, Spagiric Physician
in both Medicines, and Philosopher by Fire.
1692 ( .PDF )
http://tinyurl.com/chc5kc

plate from the Chymicus Rationalis
~ from :
Renaissance and Revolution
by J. V. Field, Frank A. J. L. James
http://tinyurl.com/cyh8x8
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« Reply #362 on: March 28, 2009, 06:17:16 am »

Three Books of Occult Philosophy
or Magic

by Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa
von Nettesheim, and edited by
Willis F. Whitehead, 1533/1898.
( free download @ Google Books )
http://tinyurl.com/czymcd

The Magus, or Celestial Intelligencer :
A Complete System of Occult Philosophy

by Francis Barrett 1801
( free download @ Google Books )
http://tinyurl.com/d3u96h

The Great Book of Magical Art,
Hindu Magic and East Indian
Occultism

by Lauron William De Laurence,
12th edition, 1914.
         ~ from the ~
Harry Houdini Collection
( free download @ Google Books )
http://tinyurl.com/dhwq5h
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« Reply #363 on: March 28, 2009, 04:41:42 pm »

Khem Caigan:  you seem to be the one with all the links, do you have anything about sorcery?  (Fictional or otherwise?) 

As I’ve seen it portrayed in fiction, sorcery seems to be based on the concept of the power of will made manifest, needing no chanting or rituals or the like.  It is powered by the strength of will or sometimes willpower combined with some deep connection to some arcane source, and it is shaped by the intellect and imagination of the user.

Is there any real world basis for this concept/philosophy?
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« Reply #364 on: March 28, 2009, 08:37:42 pm »

As I’ve seen it portrayed in fiction, sorcery seems to be based on the concept of the power of will made manifest, needing no chanting or rituals or the like.  It is powered by the strength of will or sometimes willpower combined with some deep connection to some arcane source, and it is shaped by the intellect and imagination of the user.

Is there any real world basis for this concept/philosophy?

Your understanding of sorcery tallies
well with that of Ibn Khaldun, author
of the Muqaddimah.

He tells us that human Souls are one
in Species, differing only in their
Qualities.

The Souls of Sorcerors are able to
attract the Spiritus of the Stars,
and use this Spiritus to exercise
an influence upon created beings.

He considers that Souls possessing
Magical ability are of three degrees:

1.) Souls exercising their influence
through mental power alone, with
no instrument or aid. This is what
the Philosophers call Sorcery.

2.) Souls exercising their influence
through the aid and Harmony of
the Spheres and the Elements, or
with the properties of Numbers.
This is called Talismans, and it is
weaker than the first kind.

3.) Souls exercising their influence
upon the powers of Imagination, by
planting different sorts of Phantasms
in the Imagination, and bringing
them down to the level of Sensory
Perception so that others may see
them, appearing to observers as
things existing in the external World,
when in fact there is nothing there.
The Philosophers call this
Prestidigitation.

Sorcerers possess this power
Potentially, and they transform it
and make it Active by exercise.

All magical exercise consists in
directing oneself to the Spheres,
Stars, or Daemons by means of
various kinds of Venerations,
Worship, Submissions, &tc.

The Philosophers distinguish
between Talismans and Sorcery.

The Sorcerer does not need any
aid, while those who work with
Talismans seek the aid of the
Spiritus of the Stars, the
secrets of Numbers, the particular
Qualities of existing Things, and
the positions of the Stars as they
act on the Elements, as the
Astrologers maintain.

The Philosophers say that Sorcery
is a Union of Spirit with Spirit, while
the Talisman is a Union of Spirit
with Body.

This means that the Celestial Natures
are Knotted Together with Terrestrial
Natures, and those who work with
Talismans seek the aid of Astrology.

The Philosophers say that Sorcerers
do not acquire their magical ability;
rather they possess a Natural
disposition for exercising such
influence.

Other such people are the yogis,
who train themselves in sorcery.

They live in the intemperate zones
of the north and the south, especially
in India, and possess a large body
of literature on how such exercises
are to be done.

See :

The Sciences of Sorcery and
Talismans

in :
The Muqaddimah
by Ibn Khaldun
http://tinyurl.com/cz3zqy

Tibetan Yoga and Secret Doctrines
Translated by Garma Chen-Chi Chang,
edited by Walter Yeeling Evans-Wentz
http://tinyurl.com/cpu56w
( take special note of the Preface to
the Second Edition
:
http://tinyurl.com/czcy4z )

The Cult of Tara :
Magic and Ritual in Tibet

by Stephan Beyer
http://tinyurl.com/dgquur

Babylonian Magic and Sorcery
by Leonard William King
http://tinyurl.com/d7mwbp

Narratives of Sorcery and Magic
by Thomas Wright
http://tinyurl.com/d8r4h9

Tummo
From Wikipedia
http://tinyurl.com/3byhl2

Shamanism and Yoga ( .PDF )
http://tinyurl.com/cwb7xg

See also Mircea Eliade's The Forge
and the Crucible
and his Yoga,
Immortality and Freedom
on the
subject of the mastery of fire.
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« Reply #365 on: March 28, 2009, 10:34:12 pm »

Too much to read, too much to read, I don't know where to start!  Shocked
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« Reply #366 on: March 29, 2009, 12:40:54 am »

Too much to read, too much to read, I don't know where to start!

I would say that Agrippa is a
very good place to start :

De Occulta Philosophia
by Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa
http://tinyurl.com/cm4kh

However - Agrippa will only
show you how to read other
magical texts if you already
have some background in
Stoic Physics.

Such familiarity was a given
among his contemporaries,
and even among Victorians
who had attended university,
but it may require a bit of
"catching up" for the readers
hereabouts.

And so :

The Physics of the Stoics
http://tinyurl.com/cp4ruc

Early Stoic Physics
~ from :
Greek and Roman Philosophy
After Aristotle

by Jason Lewis Saunders
http://tinyurl.com/cmu59x

Philosophy of Mind and
Stoic Physics

~ from :
Stoic Philosophy of Mind
http://tinyurl.com/cf9yct

Senecan Drama and Stoic
Cosmology

by Thomas G. Rosenmeyer
( .PDF @ Scribd )
http://tinyurl.com/c3ojb9

The Humours
Introduction to Decumbiture

by Dylan Warren-Davis
http://tinyurl.com/cce7t4

Astrology and Health
Vitalism and Humours

by Dylan Warren-Davis
http://tinyurl.com/2lglm9

Ptolemy's Tetrabiblos
http://tinyurl.com/dbzttz

Book of the Seven Planets
by Ramon Llull
http://tinyurl.com/zopuv

And of course, Ficino's
De Triplici Vita ( which
is where Agrippa cribbed
a great deal of material
from in the first place ):

Three Books on Life
by Marsilio Ficino (.PDF)
His Book "On Obtaining Life
from the Heavens
"
translated by
Carol V. Kaske and
John R. Clark
http://tinyurl.com/d3udqt

( Note the title of the above
text, and recollect what was
said in my previous post about
drawing upon the Spiritus of
the Stars / Heavens... )
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« Reply #367 on: March 30, 2009, 06:46:35 pm »

Thank you, Mr. Caigan, for these comprehensive lists and the accompanying links.

I would like to comment on a phenomenon that I have noticed in my own experience.  In my younger years I was a devout occultist and practicioner of small magics with all the attendant ritual and magical "ingredients".  As I grew in knowledge and proficiency, I came to realize that I could obtain results without the use of "props" and extensive ritual, by simply exerting mind power and concentration.  The next step in my magical growth was realizing that I had aligned my life circumstances and desires in such a way that there was nothing I lacked; therefore, I no longer needed to perform spells.

It has been a very long time since I have practiced even a small magic, and I'm afraid I have quite lost my touch.  However, I am quite content with the way my life is going these days; that is not to say that it is perfect, or that I don't have the occasional ups and downs that everyone experiences.  However, I do strongly believe that one can gain a good assessment of the supposed "power" of a magical practicioner by looking at their life circumstances and seeing how they manage their own affairs. 

This is only a personal observation - I am sure others may differ in their opinions.

Respectfully,
Mrs. S.
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« Reply #368 on: March 30, 2009, 11:12:55 pm »

I am quite content with the way my life is going these days; that is not to say that it is perfect, or that I don't have the occasional ups and downs that everyone experiences.  However, I do strongly believe that one can gain a good assessment of the supposed "power" of a magical practitioner by looking at their life circumstances and seeing how they manage their own affairs. 
Absolutely!

It has often been observed by
various acquaintances that
their having been, howsoever
briefly, involved with an art,
craft or sport has had positive
consequences on their lives
subsequent to such exercise.

And then, of course, their are
those who persevere in the
perfection of themselves and
their chosen discipline.
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« Reply #369 on: March 31, 2009, 03:24:12 pm »

Marvellous quote on Doctor Who the other day (Sylvester McCoy vintage):

Ace: so you're saying this is magic?
Doctor:  Remember Clarke's Law?
Ace: yes...
Doctor: well reverse it...
Ace: Any sufficiently advanced magic -
Doctor: - looks like technology.  Yes.
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« Reply #370 on: April 01, 2009, 12:28:28 am »

Ace: Any sufficiently advanced magic -
Doctor: - looks like technology.  Yes.

Clarke is perhaps the most notorious
proponent of this theorem (at least in
its original/inverted form), but not the
only one, or even the first, to propose
it - Loren Eiseley also noodled about
with the identity of magic and
technology in various of his essays
- see, for example, his Invisible
Pyramid
, 1971.

As I pointed out in an earlier post,
Mechanism and Magic are joined at
the Root :
    
Re: Reflection about the relation
with magic of steampunk,fantasy
and sci-fi

http://tinyurl.com/cjutoc

Here is a link to Dieter's essay :

The History of Western Magic :
Some Considerations

by Dieter Harmening ( .PDF )
Electronic Journal of Folklore
Vol. 17, 2001,
http://tinyurl.com/c9qrh3

And here is a pertinent quote from
Mary Ellen Pitts :

" The Greek magike is tekne, referring
to the sorcerer's art, related to the
Persian magus and the Indo-European
root magh-', meaning "to be able" or
"to have power."

Closely related is the root magh-os-,
meaning "that which enables" and
becoming the Doric makhos, "device,"
"machine," "mechanism."

Tekne, as art or skill, is also related
to weaving and textiles and to
technology. <note the etymological
relationship with "tantra">

Magic thus belongs to a family of
words to which both art and
technology belong.

As Heidegger notes, there was a
time when tekne incorporated art,
not exclusively technology.

In magic the two come together,
as technology and art, science and
Heidegger's "saving power" of
reflection. "

~ from : Toward a Dialogue of
Understandings : Loren Eiseley
and the Critique of Science

by Mary Ellen Pitts
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« Reply #371 on: April 01, 2009, 03:53:24 am »

So you are saying that Magic is a name for the point where Art and Science meet?
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« Reply #372 on: April 01, 2009, 06:31:55 am »

So you are saying that Magic is a name for the point where Art and Science meet?

Magic is not just mechanical
technology, after the current
understanding of the word
technology. Magic is also
mechanical art ( and by
mechanical I also understand
the organic, from the Greek
organon = tool).

Its practitioners are artisans
as well as technicians, their
Work is aesthetically pleasing
as well as functional, it is
informative as well as practical.

It has ever been thus - by
means of skilled astronomical
observation, the Persian Magi
were able to discern the laws
of planetary motion, sort out
the workings of the Cosmos
with their mathematics, and
engineer the World Machine
later described by Plato in
his Timaeus, and by Ptolemy
in his Tetrabiblos.

See :

Aristotle and Mathematics
by John J. Cleary
http://tinyurl.com/deo8cq

The History and Practice
of Ancient Astronomy

by James Evans
http://tinyurl.com/dfwofu

Antikythera Mechanism
Research Project

http://tinyurl.com/ylvgns

Animation of Antikythera
Mechanism

YouTube
http://tinyurl.com/cltrv9

The Antikythera Mechanism
(360 degrees version)

YouTube
http://tinyurl.com/d55tve

[ note : if you take a look
at the text of some of the
grimoires at the links I
posted earlier, you will find
instructions for creating
various tools ( or at least
some mention that certain
tools are required ), and
then directions for employing
those tools in the creation,
writing, and illustration of -
another copy of the grimoire.

Shades of Von Neumann's
self-replicating automata! ]
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« Reply #373 on: April 01, 2009, 11:13:00 pm »

Atalanta Fvgiens, Hoc Est,
Emblemata Nova de Secretis
Naturae Chymica

by Michael Maier(1568–1622)
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http://tinyurl.com/dl8txq

The illustrations are exquisite!

Michael Maier
From Wikipedia
http://tinyurl.com/cpfutz
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« Reply #374 on: April 02, 2009, 07:00:03 am »

During the 1890s William Butler
Yeats was noodling about with
the idea of creating a Golden
Dawn-style Irish Mystery Cult
called the Castle of Heroes,
based on the Four Treasures of
the Tuatha De Danann from the
'Invasions of Ireland' texts.

These Four Treasures - also
referred to as 'Four Jewels'
( see -

Four Treasures of Erin
http://tinyurl.com/3dmuzz

- ) were assigned to the Four
Elements and their respective
Golden Dawn tools; and the four
Danaan cities, originally located
in the North of the world ( or
perhaps in the sky ), were then
distributed among the Four
Directions in a manner consistent
with the Golden Dawn system.

I have read through much of
Yeats' writing, as well as the
material written about him and
his work, and although I have
seen some evidence in the form
of 777-type attributions for
the Gods of Ireland upon the
Golden Dawn's Tree of Life in
his handwriting, as well as some
diagrams and notes for a Gaelic
form of divinatory chess similar
to the Golden Dawn's "Enochian
Chess", nowhere in Yeats' or in
anyone else's writings have I
come upon a claim to the effect
that Lessons and Liturgy had ever
been assembled and/or completed
for Yeats' Castle of Heroes
project ( until recently ).

Ella Young, author of Celtic
Wonder Tales
-
http://tinyurl.com/3bw5f6
- was part of the Yeats' circle,
along with George Russell and
Maud Gonne < who illustrated
the book just mentioned >, and
Ella later emigrated to California,
where she lectured in Celtic
Mythology at Berkeley.

If you refer to this Wiki article ~
http://tinyurl.com/3chd8j
~ you will see that she lived for
some while at the Halcyon artists'
colony near Pismo Beach.

Halcyon, California
From Wikipedia
http://tinyurl.com/c7rhyy

See also:

Susan Johnston Graf ~ Heterodox
Religions in Ireland : Theosophy,
the Hermetic Society, and the
Castle of Heroes
,
Irish Studies Review, Volume 11,
Number 1, April 2003, pages 51-59.

Peter Cawley ~ The Castle of Heroes:
W. B. Yeats' Celtic Mystical Order
,
in Alexandria 2: The Journal of
Western Cosmological Traditions
,
Edited by David Fideler, 1994.

Women, Magic and Power
- 1800-1960
( .PDF )
Robert Mathiesen
http://tinyurl.com/cgotks

I have read an interview with Mara,
available here:

Mara Freeman
http://tinyurl.com/22esvr

In my opinion, this 2006 interview
with Mara Freeman provides whatever
substance there is to the rumor of
a Castle of Heroes/Four Jewels
group - and note that Mara does not
claim to have found any corroborating
textual evidence, herself < yet > .

This idea of the Four Hallows and
Four Treasures also provides the
core for the Celtic Mass described
in Jessie Weston's work, see ~

Jessie Weston

"Her best-known work is
From Ritual to Romance (1920)"
http://tinyurl.com/3xbbfx

Here is a link to an online text of
Jessie's From Ritual to Romance :
http://tinyurl.com/2wxj4f

And now take a look at this one:

Margaret Murray

"Murray's best known and most
controversial text, The
Witch-Cult in Western Europe
,
was published in 1921."
http://tinyurl.com/2sn5b3

And here is a link to an online
text of Witch-Cult :
http://tinyurl.com/37a44c

~ where we come upon the idea
of the Four Sabbats of the Witches
that is later incorporated, along
with the Four Treasures < and
 a great deal of Masonic & Golden
Dawn material >, into Gerald
Gardner's Boke of ye Arte
Magickal
later on in the '40s
( see Henrik Bogdan's Western
Esotericism and Rituals of
Initiation
, Chapter 7, Gerald
Gardner and the Birth of Wicca
,
and Aidan Kelly's Inventing
Witchcraft
.

Also note that Israel Regardie
published the Golden Dawn
material in four volumes in 1937,
which provided the template for
all of the Masonic / Wiccan / Pagan
hybrids that followed.
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