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Author Topic: A different way of viewing war of the worlds..[spoilers, i guess...]  (Read 3299 times)
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« on: January 19, 2008, 09:09:34 am »

So i was thinking, what if the Martians knew of the fatal bacterium that thrived on humans. The Martians knew that humans would soon become space-faring, and couldn't risk contamination.The  alien invaders were actually sort of Kamikaze exterminators, Destroying the bacteria by destroying it's environment:us. They had a time limit (the days they could survive harboring the virus), and they failed. Our fledgling world may have lived, but in doing so we have destroyed a far more advanced society.

Kinda sad, actually.
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« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2008, 01:49:24 pm »

If so they were very badly prepared.
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« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2008, 06:18:29 pm »

I'm actually tinkering with a story along those lines.  It seems improbable that a race that could conquer space would be ignorant of microscopic organisms.

Also, Wells only accounted for seven of the ten cylinders launched from Mars.  My story is about where the cylinders came down, and their intended function.  Perhaps a laboratory?  I'm thinking that the other seven cylinders, with the fighting machines, were intended in part to collect biologic specimens for study and development of immunizations for the actual invasion fleet.

But, then again, Wells wasn't concerned with scientific accuracy. 
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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2008, 07:56:03 pm »

There's a collection of short stories entitled War of the Worlds: Global Dispatches in which the Martians land in, among other places, Texas and China. I've never read it,(though I've been meaning to) however, and therefore cannot comment on it's quality.
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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2008, 09:07:18 am »

It seems improbable that a race that could conquer space would be ignorant of microscopic organisms.

Possibly they thought they were above it, or the vaccine failed. We in the modern age are aware of viruses, and the like, and know how to safe guard ourselves, but we still contract; menengitus, ebola, colds, and Hep B + C.
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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2008, 11:47:58 am »

It's not so far fetched. Change bacteria to virus and its completely believable.

What if virus don't exist where they are from, they have super immune systems for bacteria and other pathogens, but have no concept of the virus.

It could wipe them out in short order.
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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2008, 11:59:24 am »

It's not so far fetched. Change bacteria to virus and its completely believable.

What if virus don't exist where they are from, they have super immune systems for bacteria and other pathogens, but have no concept of the virus.
Microscopic organisms are the precursors to all other more complex lifeforms. We owe our very existence to the presence of benevolent bacteria which live inside and outside us, and it is reasonable to assume that interdependence is universal wherever life is found. What makes viruses different?
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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2008, 01:33:55 pm »

Yes an ecosystem without microorganisms is difficult to comprehend. I would rather go with the idea that the Martians had managed to make themselves immune to all the harmful microorganisms on Mars. They had been so long they didn´t consider them anymore, and so forgot all about encountering new ones on Earth.
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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2008, 02:07:06 pm »

Yes an ecosystem without microorganisms is difficult to comprehend. I would rather go with the idea that the Martians had managed to make themselves immune to all the harmful microorganisms on Mars. They had been so long they didn´t consider them anymore, and so forgot all about encountering new ones on Earth.
That's much more plausible.
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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2008, 02:31:42 pm »

Certainly their physiognomy(funny word) implies heavy genetical engineering. The fact that they are essentially heads with tentacles doesn´t sound natural. You would expect some kind of digestive system. Their method of injecting blood from creatures into their veins makes me wonder. Perhaps they are not really martians, but are adapted to living in space. A head with tentacles might be all you need in space, if you have plenty of technology. Also injecting nutrients straight into your bloodstream would mean you would not need to grow food or worry about waste products.
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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2008, 03:06:43 pm »

I can't remember the exact wording used in the book, but I'd always just thought of them as land octopi. The lower atmospheric pressure on Mars allows them to stand upright on their tentacles.
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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2008, 05:43:31 pm »

I believe the reason why they were jellylike tentacular beings is because they're sort of 'super-evolved', i.e. their brains have evolved and expanded hugely over millions of years while their limbs have atrophied to 'orrible tentacles. Wells had some funny ideas on the subject of human evolution; the Martians were more or less those ideas with a few twists.

No, tentacular is not a word, but by damn it should be. Like blubberous.

If I remember correctly the reason why they fell prey to the bacteria on Earth is because they are supposed to resemble European colonists and imperialists, with their susceptibility to hitherto unknown diseases from the lands they invaded and their arrogance at thinking themselves superior because of their technology.
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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2008, 10:23:54 am »

If I remember correctly the reason why they fell prey to the bacteria on Earth is because they are supposed to resemble European colonists and imperialists, with their susceptibility to hitherto unknown diseases from the lands they invaded and their arrogance at thinking themselves superior because of their technology.
This is what doesn't make sense to me. If their brains are that super evolved, they wouldn't be stupid enough to let arrogance direct their behaviour and they would certainly be aware of microorganisms. This may be what Wells had in mind but it doesn't ring true to me.
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« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2008, 10:28:22 am »

Sorry mate, just think you might be trying to look into it too hard.. it's fiction and was/ is entertaining, that is all that matters.
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« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2008, 02:17:17 pm »

This is an alternate version of the events

The comic book
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Volume II
Issue 6: "You Should See Me Dance the Polka..."
Nemo is curious as to what the guns could be firing, and Bond tells him the H-142 has been fired. Quatermain is confused, and Bond explains indifferently that it was indeed one of Moreau's hybrids, but was in fact a hybrid bacterium, made up of anthrax and streptococcus.
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« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2008, 06:08:19 pm »

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« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2008, 12:36:14 am »

Well, not really.  This was about Martians to the same extent that The Invisible Man was about someone who couldn't be seen, or The Island of Dr. Moreau was about turning men into animals, or The Time Machine was about time travel.  Wells' books were social commentary, thinly disguised as science fiction.  The War of the Worlds was about British colonial policies, and the folly of assuming that technological superiority implied actual superiority of a society.

Sorry mate, just think you might be trying to look into it too hard.. it's fiction and was/ is entertaining, that is all that matters.
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« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2008, 05:10:52 am »

...

WHOA.

cool.

I think I feel my gears turning. Cheesy
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« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2008, 04:53:14 am »

There's a sequel from 1898 by someone other than Wells that has Thomas Edison, of all people, using death rays and launching a counter attack upon Mars. I remember hearing about this on the radio last year. Check Project Gutenberg for the text.

 I guess it was unauthorized because I can't think of someone like Wells with his social ideals approving of Edison as a protagonist.

A revisionist sequel could visit imperial aggression by Martians as well as by Edison in a way similar to Gregory Macguire's revisit of Oz in Wicked and its sequel.
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« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2008, 08:21:10 pm »

What if virus don't exist where they are from, they have super immune systems for bacteria and other pathogens, but have no concept of the virus.
Or vice-versa, for that matter.  It would not be difficult to imagine an environment so hostile that bacteria would be unable to survive due to their relative complexity (complex enough to have life processes of their own, yet not advanced enough a lifeform to adapt successfully) but viruses would (as they have no life processes of their own to disrupt).  The invaders could have evolved long before a cataclysm of some kind occurred which damaged their native environs (surviving due to their grasp of technology, something that bacteria do not have).
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« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2008, 08:22:27 pm »

Certainly their physiognomy(funny word) implies heavy genetical engineering. The fact that they are essentially heads with tentacles doesn´t sound natural. You would expect some kind of digestive system. Their method of injecting blood from creatures into their veins makes me wonder. Perhaps they are not really martians, but are adapted to living in space. A head with tentacles might be all you need in space, if you have plenty of technology. Also injecting nutrients straight into your bloodstream would mean you would not need to grow food or worry about waste products.
Perhaps a post-race, one that has taken direct control of its evolution through technological (or other) means.  The invaders could have engineered themselves specifically for the invasion of a particular world, and would alter themselves again later when the time came to move on.
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« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2008, 08:23:10 pm »

This is what doesn't make sense to me. If their brains are that super evolved, they wouldn't be stupid enough to let arrogance direct their behaviour and they would certainly be aware of microorganisms. This may be what Wells had in mind but it doesn't ring true to me.
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« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2008, 08:28:48 pm »

I bet some people would like a spoiler warning somewhere in the title.
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« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2008, 11:07:12 am »

The bacteria question  has been asked many times,  i think we only have to look at ourselves, we carry a number of bacteria, that we have grown immune to, and while we travel the world, we come into contact with more, so build up our resistance. We pass this resistance to our children, now the matian's are depicted as an ancient race compared to us, is it so unbelievable that they have become immune to their worlds bacteria/virus's long ago, and for them infection is a thing of the past. Now they arrive on earth, and whole new bacterial/Viral ecosystem. Not only the world but in our blood, from the moment they landed they were bombarded with  hundreds maybe thousands of bacteria/virus that they had no immunity to,they are attacked by something, thay had consined to history, it may not have been the bacteria/virus's at all but a form of system overload of their immune system, imagine, getting Typhoid, Ebola, HIV/Aids, whooping cough, scarlet fever, measles, the common cold, etc. all at once.
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