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Robo Von Bismark
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« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2007, 02:31:58 am »

Well at least if she´s ever at the beach and someone start shooting arrows at her, she´s got a good chance of surviving.  Wink


Dont be silly Atterton, chainmail is useless against arrows

Which is why she wears her full plate stuff when at the beach  Wink

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« Reply #26 on: December 18, 2007, 09:21:02 am »

Mail is hefty but very satisfying to make. 

Since I assume this is for costuming purposes, you may want to look at aluminium mail. The alloy 5356 is referred to as "bright aluminium" because it stays shiny and does not oxide much. Its also reasonably strong and is commonly available from welding shops.

Take this chainmail bikini.
(Yes i know its a cliche but its what my friend wanted)

This used 5356 alloy welding wire (1.6mm thick). Ring size was 8mm inner diameter.

It is also very light and has stayed shiny for 2 years

I was looking at getting some anodized aluminium, it comes in all manner of colors, and a mix of orange and yellow could, I think, give a nice steampunky look, rather than the militaristic bright, or tarnished look of regular aluminium.
(And aluminium is so much lighter than pretty much everything else.)
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« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2007, 08:32:51 pm »

I was looking at getting some anodized aluminium, it comes in all manner of colors, and a mix of orange and yellow could, I think, give a nice steampunky look, rather than the militaristic bright, or tarnished look of regular aluminium.
(And aluminium is so much lighter than pretty much everything else.)


Have you seen this site?

http://theringlord.com/cart/shopdisplaycategories.asp?id=152&cat=Anodized+Aluminum+Rings

Never used it myself but heard good things
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« Reply #28 on: December 18, 2007, 08:44:21 pm »

I'd stay clear of that site if I were you.  I've had several friends and acquaintances order from there, and every one of them had an issue.  Either the wrong thing was shipped, or that shipping took far longer than stated.  In one case, after having paid a premium to get materials rush shipped, it took just over two months for them to finally get their order, and the company wouldn't refund the added cost for rush shipping.
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« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2007, 08:47:44 pm »

I'd stay clear of that site if I were you.  I've had several friends and acquaintances order from there, and every one of them had an issue.  Either the wrong thing was shipped, or that shipping took far longer than stated.  In one case, after having paid a premium to get materials rush shipped, it took just over two months for them to finally get their order, and the company wouldn't refund the added cost for rush shipping.

Thanks for that Johnkazuo, I was going to try them for some specialist stuff.
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« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2007, 08:50:46 pm »

I'd stay clear of that site if I were you.  I've had several friends and acquaintances order from there, and every one of them had an issue.  Either the wrong thing was shipped, or that shipping took far longer than stated.  In one case, after having paid a premium to get materials rush shipped, it took just over two months for them to finally get their order, and the company wouldn't refund the added cost for rush shipping.

I know a bunch of people who are into chainmail, and all of 'm have nothing but good experiences with them. They also have a nice forum.. good folks there, always willing to help.. If you have questions about expected shipping time and the like, pop into the forum first. They have an Q&A section that is kept up to date by their staff, and they're always willing to answer some questions..

But anyways.. I'll venture a guess the delay was either for anodized aluminum, or some scales, right? They've had some vendor issues... things like that are discussed ad nauseum on their forum. Your friends should have bothered to check there.
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« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2007, 08:56:42 pm »

But anyways.. I'll venture a guess the delay was either for anodized aluminum, or some scales, right? They've had some vendor issues... things like that are discussed ad nauseum on their forum. Your friends should have bothered to check there.

Their scales would look amazing as some sort of waistcoat/armour design
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« Reply #32 on: December 18, 2007, 08:59:10 pm »

Thanks for that Johnkazuo, I was going to try them for some specialist stuff.

The thing is, if you don't have an issue possibly waiting a long period of time for what you need, their product is quite good.

I know a bunch of people who are into chainmail, and all of 'm have nothing but good experiences with them. They also have a nice forum.. good folks there, always willing to help.. If you have questions about expected shipping time and the like, pop into the forum first. They have an Q&A section that is kept up to date by their staff, and they're always willing to answer some questions..

But anyways.. I'll venture a guess the delay was either for anodized aluminum, or some scales, right? They've had some vendor issues... things like that are discussed ad nauseum on their forum. Your friends should have bothered to check there.

I think most of my friends that used that site were in fact ordering anodized, although I know one who used them for riveted aluminum and black stainless steel.  He's the one that got stuck with incorrect orders being shipped to him.  And truth be told, I don't know if they were having supplier issues at the time, as it was over the course of two years, the most recent being close to a year and a half ago.  It's of course one of those things that could well have just been a series of flukes, but the customer service, or lack there of was enough to sour them on the site.  In any event, I felt it best to urge caution.
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« Reply #33 on: December 18, 2007, 11:16:59 pm »

That's exactly the site I was looking at.
At the moment I use Armchair Armoury which is a) British (so close to me) but b) restrictive on what it sells (no anodized stuff).
Having found the Ringlord, they seem cheaper than Armchair, even taking into account overseas shipping.

I may order one of their taster kits to see how it goes.

Totally agree on the leaf scales, they could easilly look awesome on some armour.
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« Reply #34 on: December 19, 2007, 12:39:39 am »

Personally, I've had nothing but good experiences with Theringlord.com.  They're the only ring supplier I've used, and they've never botched an order or taken too long. But I've only ever ordered brass, stainless, and the bright aluminum used to make this:

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/Rach528/We%20Moved%20Through%20the%20Faire/Irwindale%20Renaissance%20Pleasure%20Faire/April%2028%2007/PICT0099.jpg">

Like Robo Von Bismark, I used the "M" pattern for the cups, also with rows of smaller rings along the edges and underneath, to form a stiffer "underwire" and help to wrangle the lady's most extravagant bosoms. It's unlined, made from 1/4" 16ga rings, and has never pinched. Though it does leave a bit of silvery-black residue (which isn't nearly as bad as that left by dull aluminum, and washes off easily).
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« Reply #35 on: December 19, 2007, 12:41:50 am »

I now want to learn how to make chainmail, just to get to do such outfits.  Grin
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« Reply #36 on: December 19, 2007, 12:48:26 am »

It's rather simple. Two sets of tongs, a few weeks of time and a high pain threshold to resist the pain of the blisters (which WILL develop) will do he job.
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« Reply #37 on: December 19, 2007, 12:50:38 am »

'Tis a good time indeed. Especially the fittings  Grin
Have you got loads of patience? It's not difficult, just absurdly time-consuming.
That top (and the lined mini-skirt made of much larger rings) was made while watching the first 2 seasons of Battlestar Galactica ... and then some.
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« Reply #38 on: December 19, 2007, 12:53:31 am »

Although I learned from a friend of mine, there are many things that can be learned from sites like http://www.arador.com/main/index.html

Several friends of mine make maille professionally, and both use Ring Lord exclusively.  I, on the other hand, usually make my own rings, at least when working in galvanized steel.
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« Reply #39 on: December 19, 2007, 12:54:01 am »

'Tis a good time indeed. Especially the fittings  Grin
Have you got loads of patience? It's not difficult, just absurdly time-consuming.
That top (and the lined mini-skirt made of much larger rings) was made while watching the first 2 seasons of Battlestar Galactica ... and then some.

Certainly more of a masterpiece of physics and engineering than what I had to do  Grin

The "M" pattern is remarkably flexible isnt it?
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« Reply #40 on: December 19, 2007, 01:03:04 am »


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Certainly more of a masterpiece of physics and engineering than what I had to do  Grin

The "M" pattern is remarkably flexible isnt it?

Thanks very much -- I was concerned about properly and comfortably supporting such weight. The specific design I used was kindly provided by a good man at Wolf's Den Armory, and I'm not sure I could have done it wihout it.

Your own piece is rather stunning in its own right. Did you make her plate bikini as well?
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« Reply #41 on: December 19, 2007, 01:11:35 am »

Thanks very much -- I was concerned about properly and comfortably supporting such weight. The specific design I used was kindly provided by a good man at Wolf's Den Armory, and I'm not sure I could have done it without it.

Your own piece is rather stunning in its own right. Did you make her plate bikini as well?

Thank you Kogwheal (that cybernetic arm of yours is very cool BTW)

That one was actually made first. My model then asked for a chainmail bikini to be "complete". Afterall what girl doesn't need both for all social occasions (raves, parties, castle sieges).  Grin

It goes with a skirt made of small aluminium scales. Talk about time consuming!! It took 7 steps to make as oppossed to the normal 3 for chainmail.

The whole thing is being reworked for a burlesque costume. Anybody know anything about metal corsets?
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« Reply #42 on: December 19, 2007, 02:15:48 am »

i think some simple brass plating would look great over a heavy tan leather coat.  might wanna age the brass a bit though...scratch it up, put a few dings in it, make it look used...that sort of thing.  thoughts?
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« Reply #43 on: December 19, 2007, 02:26:16 am »

i think some simple brass plating would look great over a heavy tan leather coat.  might wanna age the brass a bit though...scratch it up, put a few dings in it, make it look used...that sort of thing.  thoughts?


Maybe a lamellar vest from brass
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamellar_armour

Or a reverse jack of plate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_of_plate
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« Reply #44 on: December 19, 2007, 02:36:17 am »

Glad you like the arm, Robo Smiley  I'm probably going to add some brass mail between the copper bands for added shinyness.

That scale skirt sounds amazing. Got any pictures of it? I'm also very interested in what you'll produce metal corset-wise.

But back to the actual topic: I agree with Clockworkcoffin, brass plates on heavy leather would be excellent. Plates are definitely more practical than mail in an age of firearms (even if the plates won't stop a bullet...they've got a much better chance). For myself, I'm still planning some brass maille and brown leather creations (practical or not, I just love the look of mail). 
For heavier armor, I've always liked the look of the old brass diving helmets, and I like the thought of a steel and brass suit modeled as a cross between medieval plate and a deep-dive suit. I think this would be great gear for a fearsome army of aeronauts on a gigantic aerial fortress. Not that this is very practical...
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« Reply #45 on: December 19, 2007, 02:46:28 am »

But back to the actual topic: I agree with Clockworkcoffin, brass plates on heavy leather would be excellent. Plates are definitely more practical than mail in an age of firearms (even if the plates won't stop a bullet...they've got a much better chance). For myself, I'm still planning some brass maille and brown leather creations (practical or not, I just love the look of mail). 
For heavier armor, I've always liked the look of the old brass diving helmets, and I like the thought of a steel and brass suit modeled as a cross between medieval plate and a deep-dive suit. I think this would be great gear for a fearsome army of aeronauts on a gigantic aerial fortress. Not that this is very practical...

Didn't the movie "Steamboy" feature troops in a medieval style armour with steam engines so the user could move?
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« Reply #46 on: December 19, 2007, 02:55:49 am »

jack of plate does make me pretty happy.
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« Reply #47 on: December 19, 2007, 03:35:20 am »



Are they being protected? Or perhaps restrained from world domination?

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« Reply #48 on: December 19, 2007, 03:57:57 am »

those are some mighty fine bosoms.  gorgeous eyes too...
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« Reply #49 on: December 19, 2007, 05:25:09 am »

Hmm. Haven't seen Steamboy, actually, so I don't know. I heard very disappointing things about it. But ultimately I'll have to see it anyway - I can't dismiss any movie that looks like that, no matter how bad the reviews.

And yes, Delphine's -- um -- soldiers? must be tightly restrained (or heavily drugged) when in public lest they run rampant, burning the villages, raping the horses and riding off on the women.

And she's been known to topple the occasional government with a single flutter of those big brown eyes. I find it's best to give her what she wants.
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