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Author Topic: Story likes and dislikes  (Read 176 times)
Avery J. Harpe
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England England


« on: October 24, 2017, 07:47:29 pm »

Is there anything anyone bitterly dislikes when reading steampunk stories - either because it's over done or never done right? And is there anything you absolutely love to read about? Just curious really.
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Synistor 303
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Australia Australia


Zenyna Ironbracker


« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2017, 11:55:54 pm »

I hate movies/books in which women scream every time they see a dead body or blood. I mean, really? Women don't scream and drop the tray when they see something icky. We've been cleaning up/looking at icky stuff all our lives. Ever watched a baby being born? Major Icky! We do that stuff all the time, so stop depicting us having vapours at every little thing. (Now getting off my high horse.)
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annevpreussen
Gunner
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United States United States


Captain Annemarie of the Eagle's Arrow Airship


« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2017, 08:10:26 am »

HOOOO BOY I have quite a lot because I Am Bitterâ„¢

Dislikes (In steampunk lit but also in general):
  • Excessive time spent describing clothing or weapons. I get it, corsets and steam-powered death rays are cool af, but there's no need to spend the entire book describing your MC's wardrobe and/or arsenal, Enoby.
  • Speaking of, Mary Sues/Gary Stus/annoyingly perfect mains
  • I'm also here to hate on rich aristocrats who are super talented and speak seventeen languages and are also the best airship pilot ever. Have you ever met a rich person? They're useless as heck.
  • While I am 100000% HERE for strong female steampunk characters (which I will mention in my likes section so stay tuned, bros), it gets annoying when the leading lady get fifty-page monologues about how she breaks gender roles for the time and is like the only woman to rip off her corset and shake her fist at society.
  • Arrogant, condescending, usually handsome men who secretly have some sort of soft side and/or tragic backstory
  • Characters getting respect from other characters for no good reason (like "omg this character is the most dangerous sky pirate ever!!! Even though he's done nothing remotely edgy in his life!!! But I'm still very afraid of him for some reason and will give him whatever he wants"
  • Racism, sexism, and all the other nasty -isms we should leave behind in the Victorian era
  • Authors taking themselves too seriously
  • Every steampunk story ever taking place in freaking London. Have you ever been to London? It's gross and rainy. Why would you want to set your story there?
  • Authors trying really hard to include other cultures in the story (yay) but doing zero research and coming off as uninformed at best and offensive at worst (nay)
  • Mysteries that are solved too easily either through lucky plot twists or the MC's own amazing cleverness which has never been seen before
  • I'm sorry, but I'm really not a fan of magic in steampunk. Personal opinion; I'm just not.
  • When you can tell the author looked up every second word in a thesaurus to find longer synonyms for that word
  • Women fighting/climbing/doing literally anything active in ridiculous clothes/heels with no repercussions
  • Love triangles
  • Worldbuilding that doesn't make any sense or have any background to it
  • Orphaned/abused/rejected/abandoned mains. It's overdone and almost never done well.

Wow, that was long. Luckily for authors everywhere, I also have a lot of story likes. They're more specific to me than people in general I think, but...

Likes

  • Main characters with a major, major flaw that actually hinders them in some way
  • I'm a total sucker for stories about friendship. It gets me every time. Literally every time.
  • Twisty, turny, confusing plots with cleverly planned surprises (but foreshadowing for those surprises that you'll notice upon rereading)
  • "Strong female characters" that do more than shoot things and actually show emotion, have flaws, get afraid/doubtful sometimes, aren't naturally good at everything, have meaningful relationships... and shoot things.
  • Scientists, mad or otherwise
  • Stories about exploring the unknown and discovering something wonderful
  • Airship designs where you can tell that the author has spent a lot of time reading physics pages on Wikipedia
  • Characters going in disguise (bonus points for crossdressing)
  • Overly-excitable inventors
  • Automatons
  • Well-built worlds with dynamic-- if based on real ones, heavily-researched-- cultures
  • Diverse cast in terms of personality, age, gender, ethnicity, sexuality, etc. (because it's more fun if your characters aren't all carbon copies of each other)
  • Weird Victorian hobbies like, idk, snail shell collecting. No idea if that was a thing or not, but it seems like it would be a thing
  • Arrogant characters getting the cockiness kicked out of them (either by life or a physical foot) and becoming better, less cocky people because of it
  • Fictional world maps are a special kind of heaven.
  • MCs with morals (or at least a loose moral code)
  • Action-packed stories that aren't splattered with gore and smut
  • On that note, I'm partial to fade-to-black sex scenes, if a sex scene is needed at all
  • Weird weapons. Steampunk crossbows, anyone?
  • Major colors other than brown
  • Characters with well-developed backstories and consistent personalities
  • Corsets worn by men and women as armor
  • Flower symbolism
  • Humor! Steampunk is funny, my dudes. We all wear funny hats.
  • Imperialism being portrayed as a bad, bad thing
  • REBELLION
  • The sense that the author worked really, really hard on this and is super excited for people to read their stuff
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Banfili
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Australia Australia



« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2017, 02:46:42 pm »

Have to cogitate on this for a bit, as annevpreussen as said most of it in one way or another!
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Avery J. Harpe
Swab

England England


« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2017, 09:21:00 pm »

Thanks for the responses. They're all really interesting.
What about particular characters? Any characters you want to see more of in steampunk stories?
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Harley John
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Scotland Scotland


« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2017, 02:22:17 am »

Soft porn masquerading as steam punk, or any other genre for that matter, literature.

And if anyone does feel need the to write such stuff please for pity's sake find another word other than turgid to describe various excited bits of anatomy!
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Xenos
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Sudan Sudan


Capt of the "AO Victoria," Cdr of the Aeronauts!


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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2017, 06:36:55 am »

Myriad and sundry dislikes, usually poor set/setting, breaking the laws you establish for physics/magic in your universe, using the term "clip" for a magazine, things like that. I too am not a fan of super smutty writing. No book series I read has extended sex scenes, and they work just fine. Godmode main characters (unless the character IS a god/avatar of the Creator) really piss me off (I'm looking at YOU, Salvatore!), but not add bad as the self insert fetish characters. Yes, my characters have a bit of me in them, but I do not use my fiction to fulfill done twisted fantasy.

What I like is well done science or interesting magic, super developed worlds (I'm a world builder), and dynamic characters. I like flawed, human (or fantasy/sci-fi race) characters with issues. My main character is a borderline alcoholic with anger management issues who needs his best mate to keep him in check. BOTH have a weakness for a well turned ankle, and that can get them into trouble.

Cyborgs.  I LOVE cyborgs (or steamborgs, as the case may be). And while the science there may get a bit fuzzy, they're STILL epic.

So yeah. There's my two cents, such that it is after the points have mostly been made. Something something "talent borrows, genius steals" or another relevant Oscar Wilde quote.
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Oh please don't let these shakes go on...
Kensington Locke
Officer
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United States United States


« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2017, 01:48:29 am »

At the moment, I think I pass a few of Ms. Preuson's dislikes.

I recall earlier in the thread, somebody was tired of SP being in London with spies and tinkerers.  I took that as a challenge.

So my first story (reworking it) is about a bus driver in the Republic of Texas, Houston, circa 1890s, who meets a Gunman (like a mystical Texas Ranger) at t a time when his job is about to be replaced.

second story is the wife of a Gunman who inherits his gun.  That one's still in the starting stages, and I don't think there will be much swooning.

I'll have to review the list when I'm done with them to see how I score.  Seems like a grading system could be made. Smiley
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Xenos
Zeppelin Admiral
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Sudan Sudan


Capt of the "AO Victoria," Cdr of the Aeronauts!


WWW
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2017, 05:02:40 am »

My first (and only) steampunk/gaslamp story is set in the American South in an alternate timeline where the Civil War dragged on and on, before being ended brutally by the first Megacorp, and almost all human rights of every race are stripped away.

The basic plot is main character falls in love with the leader of the resistance to the new government (she's a stripper with a mechanical leg) but gets drafted and is forced to put DOWN the New Rebellion.

Light on smut and heavy on political overtones while exploring the dehumanization of an entire population (similar to how life is in Sudan, really), with airship battles.

And ironclads.

I really need to write more than the first 3 chapters...
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annevpreussen
Gunner
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United States United States


Captain Annemarie of the Eagle's Arrow Airship


« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2017, 07:02:34 am »

At the moment, I think I pass a few of Ms. Preuson's dislikes.

I recall earlier in the thread, somebody was tired of SP being in London with spies and tinkerers.  I took that as a challenge.

So my first story (reworking it) is about a bus driver in the Republic of Texas, Houston, circa 1890s, who meets a Gunman (like a mystical Texas Ranger) at t a time when his job is about to be replaced.

second story is the wife of a Gunman who inherits his gun.  That one's still in the starting stages, and I don't think there will be much swooning.

I'll have to review the list when I'm done with them to see how I score.  Seems like a grading system could be made. Smiley

A grading system, you say? Sort of like the Mary Sue test?
http://www.springhole.net/writing/marysue.htm
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