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Question: Who Would Win In A Battle ?
A Steampunk Army ( Infantry, Armored Force , Airforce et al ) - 1 (10%)
A Fleet Of Dragons - 3 (30%)
Prefer Not Take Position - 6 (60%)
Total Voters: 10

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« on: September 18, 2017, 03:23:54 am »

I had this random thought will thinking of Game Of Thrones and Daenirys Targaryen's Awesomeness ( although a bit extremist off to late as of French Version Season 7 Episode 4-5).

Off course, no need to scale the scenario to the GOT Setting. It is obvious than a pseudo modern army can handle three dragons. It is a full fleet of them that would be interesting.
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« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2017, 03:37:13 am »

I think Sir Arthur Wellesley nailed it when he said the winner would be whichever side made the fewest mistakes.
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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2017, 07:29:05 am »

When all is said and done, I believe I am smarter than a flapping lizard. Sometimes I might not be as smart as my dog, but a flapping lizard? Meh.
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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2017, 07:13:24 pm »

Dragons. Dragons always win.
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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2017, 07:07:52 am »

I will have to fall back upon my trademarked reply:

It Depends™

One must first consider the size of the dragons , and how many are to be used in the engagement.

Then one must consider the competency of the Steampunk Army Leadership -If it is led by the likes of George Armstrong Custer,
or most of the British Generals of the era, they will certainly lose.

Lastly one must consider the intellectual capability of the dragons (they are certainly sentient, at the least) and whether they are capable of and willing to work in a cooperative effort.

Lastly one must consider the strength of the dragons armor and the capablities of the Armies weapons - common rifles would almost certainly be inadequate....

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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2017, 09:40:56 am »

It all depends on logistics. How much someone eats and consumes supplies.

Napoleon seems to have won the battle of Borodino. But then began to lose battle after battle, from the "losers" of the Russian army.

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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2017, 11:35:00 am »

Napoleon or the Russians? Grin
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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2017, 01:40:19 pm »

It depends.  On discipline, courage, and resolve.  Which themselves probably depend on training, leadership and the element of surprise.

Infantry should form a square, hold the line, and fire a volley on command.  Artillery should load grapeshot and fire at will.

I suspect the best tactical use of dragons might be to rout the enemy cavalry.

But, I think this the best answer:

Dragons. Dragons always win.
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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2017, 01:56:45 pm »

Napoleon or the Russians? Grin

Again online translator shows miracles? Smiley

From the field of Borodino, the Russian army retreated. So she lost and the losers.

But then, Napoleon had "suddenly" started having problems with the logistics.

And the Russian army (which lost) was to destroy Napoleon's army.
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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2017, 06:02:26 pm »

Partially dependent on the tech levels of the steampunk army. What are their weapons like. We talking like lightning cannons and high capacity piercing rounds or basic weapons
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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2017, 09:51:35 pm »

Partially dependent on the tech levels of the steampunk army. What are their weapons like. We talking like lightning cannons and high capacity piercing rounds or basic weapons

Good Question.
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« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2017, 12:32:26 am »

Insufficient variables entered. Canon being the first; which settings' dragons are we talking?

When all is said and done, I believe I am smarter than a flapping lizard. Sometimes I might not be as smart as my dog, but a flapping lizard? Meh.

Which brings me to our first example: a GoT dragon would be a wreck, and when someone in a certain urban fantasy discusses a dragon appearing, it would theoretically cause terrific collateral damage, but eventually helo gunships would come out on top. But, a Rifts or Kaisers Gate dragon? They not only can talk, but can plan, learn to use technology (if it's made big enough for them), shapeshift, and learn a lifetime of magical training, and require colossal firepower to slay, able to regenerate even horrific wounds if they couldn't resist it. Some actually command nations, like the Council of Wyrms in Kaisers Gate, or Plato in Rifts.

Dragons. Dragons always win.

Again, canon - I've had first level players who could tell you better than that. Not to mention how frequently Rifts dragon hatchlings naturally deselect themselves.
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« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2017, 09:32:35 pm »

Ok, we need variables ? Here some variables.

Dragon: ''Mythologically Accurate'' Occidental Dragon.
 
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Steampunk Tech Level: I think a steampowered WWII tech level would be the fairest (No Atomic Bomb off course).
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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2017, 11:09:51 am »

Keep your steampunk army away from my dragon!
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« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2017, 01:47:12 am »

Oops.. too late, something went weird...
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« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2017, 08:11:22 pm »

Oh this fellow is a beauty! (I want, I want!)

I think it would depend on what SP army was in the frontlines... Would it be Airships? Dirgibles? ground steam powered arms? Would the air krakens be joining in with their big brethren the dragons? Like the others have stated logistics, logistics, logistics would be the ultimate determining factor that would be making the final decision.
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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2017, 10:24:40 am »

And then you get the dragons like Lord Toruk the Dragon-father, who actually have their own steampunk army. And navy. One of his top-ranking officers is Lich Lord Venethrax, who is tasked with seeking the Dragon-father's progeny and foiling their plots, being the only being who has fought a dragon to a draw.
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