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Author Topic: Writer's block? More like outfit block... (please help me)  (Read 481 times)
annevpreussen
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« on: September 18, 2017, 01:07:14 am »

Hello, everyone! It's me, Annemarie, again begging for the assistance of the more established steampunk elders in regards to making an outfit. Hopefully you'll be just as helpful now as you all were before!

I'm planning on making a new steampunk outfit for an upcoming con and Halloween. I just don't know how to go about it! I have many base pieces and way too many accessories, but for one reason or another, I can't seem to put them all together in a way I like, so I'm turning to you wonderful forum-goers for much-needed assistance! The look I'm going for is fancy yet functional, with hints of both aristocrat and explorer in the mix. Here's a list of all the things I have that I think might work; hopefully you can give me some ideas about piecing them together!

Tops:
White long-sleeved collared shirt
White short-sleeved collared shirt
Red mid-sleeve scoop neck shirt
White short-sleeved ruffle neck blouse
Dark teal lace tank top
Black sleeveless lace crop top
White ruffled dirndl blouse

Bottoms:
Black long pants
Brown long pants
Black ripped shorts
Black short skirt
Tights, nylons, knee-high socks, regular socks

Jackets:
Dark blue riding jacket with bronze buttons
Black riding jacket with black buttons
Cream lace bolero
Red wool trenchcoat
Black leather jacket

Corsets:
Brown and black striped underbust with straps
Red-brown and copper filigree overbust
Black waist cincher

Shoes:
Black oxford heels
Black combat boots
Brown combat boots
Brown knee-high heels
Gray lace-up heels

Hats:
Black top hat with black lace
Black top hat with brown ribbon and feathers
Dark blue bowler hat with brown and red feathers

Accessories:
Bronze goggles with black lenses and jeweler's loupe
Bronze and silver goggles with dark blue lenses
Approximately 5028930 (rough estimate) necklaces, bracelets, watches, rings, chains, hair clips, earrings, etc. in various colors
Modded guns (will need to be cleaned up/repaired, but I have two small ones and one slightly larger one)
Black and brown leather belts
Odd things like corked glass vials, clockwork bits, scraps of metal, feathers, buttons, lace and other fabrics, and loads of paint/rub 'n buff

I've also set aside $100 (campus dining sucks but pays fairly well) to buy more items I may need.

Where do you guys think I should start?
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« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2017, 08:21:37 am »

I'm on a bit of a Discworld recap at the mo, also looking at a comicon outfit. Have you thought of one of the witches? All you'd need then is a broom, and you could make one of those yourself (and add things to it like bicycle bell, horn, mirrors, footrests etc?). I'm not thinking classic 'witch', but working on Terry Pratchett's ideas of all the different witches in the books, you could have your feathered topper, goggles, combat boots, ruffled blouse, black waist cincher/brown and black underbust corset, black leather coat/riding jacket, short skirt with striped/black tights/black pants tucked into boots, bangles/necklaces/belts/glass vials etc to your heart's content!
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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2017, 06:53:49 pm »

I'd agree that a Steampunk witch would be a fine outfit, but I'd also like to throw in another option - Vampire huntress. The key to the outfit is the accessories - bags of religious symbols of course, Steampunk'd methods of delivering stakes, silver bolts and garlic solutions, maybe some esoteric part mechanical, part mystical devices for tracking the creatures, etc. Then you have a lot of leeway with the outfit. For example, one possible combination could be the collared long-sleeved shirt with the black waist clincher, brown long pants, either of riding jackets, knee-high heels and bowler hat, but to be honest there are many ways your list could be combined for this outfit.

Anyway, whatever you decide upon, please do post up a piccy either here or in 'Playing dress up' or over on my Halloween thread in 'Off topic'. I'm looking forwards to seeing the outcome!

Yours,
Miranda.
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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2017, 09:09:12 pm »

I sometimes start with deciding what colour I want to wear.  Then I co-ordinate everything else to match.
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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2017, 03:03:43 am »

I'm on a bit of a Discworld recap at the mo, also looking at a comicon outfit. Have you thought of one of the witches? All you'd need then is a broom, and you could make one of those yourself (and add things to it like bicycle bell, horn, mirrors, footrests etc?). I'm not thinking classic 'witch', but working on Terry Pratchett's ideas of all the different witches in the books, you could have your feathered topper, goggles, combat boots, ruffled blouse, black waist cincher/brown and black underbust corset, black leather coat/riding jacket, short skirt with striped/black tights/black pants tucked into boots, bangles/necklaces/belts/glass vials etc to your heart's content!
Hmm, I've never fancied being a witch myself, but I like the idea of lots of necklaces and vials! The more random dangly accessories the better! Maybe I could make some potion bottles...

I'd agree that a Steampunk witch would be a fine outfit, but I'd also like to throw in another option - Vampire huntress. The key to the outfit is the accessories - bags of religious symbols of course, Steampunk'd methods of delivering stakes, silver bolts and garlic solutions, maybe some esoteric part mechanical, part mystical devices for tracking the creatures, etc. Then you have a lot of leeway with the outfit. For example, one possible combination could be the collared long-sleeved shirt with the black waist clincher, brown long pants, either of riding jackets, knee-high heels and bowler hat, but to be honest there are many ways your list could be combined for this outfit.

Anyway, whatever you decide upon, please do post up a piccy either here or in 'Playing dress up' or over on my Halloween thread in 'Off topic'. I'm looking forwards to seeing the outcome!

Yours,
Miranda.
Vampires don't exist in my steamsona's world (fortunately or unfortunately), so it wouldn't make sense for her to be a vampire hunter, no matter how cool it would look! And of course the pictures will be posted; I need to show off somewhere! Grin cosplay is the only time I take good pictures of myself

I sometimes start with deciding what colour I want to wear.  Then I co-ordinate everything else to match.
My favorite color combos are dark blue and bronze, so maybe I could work that in? I'm thinking of buying one of these skirts (in the links) for some more of the blue and maybe pairing it with my dark blue jacket? The only problem here is that I think I wouldn't be able to wear my striped underbust with a striped skirt, and the underbust is my favorite! Maybe I should splurge on another corset as well, like one of these?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0743B1D2G/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=I31376OY13GUZO&colid=1F2KXBDR3QY4N
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B073RHF63P/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=I3B8K51ENVPNIU&colid=1F2KXBDR3QY4N

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06ZYN9317/ref=twister_B06ZYCQ3GV?th=1
https://www.amazon.com/Steampunk-Bustier-Overbust-Leather-XXXXXX-Large/dp/B01IIGCS3Y/ref=sr_1_88?s=apparel&ie=UTF8&qid=1505784856&sr=1-88&nodeID=7147440011&psd=1&keywords=steampunk+corset
https://www.amazon.com/BSLINGERIE-Gothic-Leather-Underbust-Corset/dp/B010F95AF0/ref=sr_1_8?s=apparel&ie=UTF8&qid=1505785372&sr=1-8&nodeID=7147440011&psd=1&keywords=steampunk+corset+underbust


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« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2017, 10:05:32 pm »

Dark blue with bronze is a gorgeous combination.  Very late Victorian.
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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2017, 02:30:14 pm »

Dark blue with bronze is a gorgeous combination.  Very late Victorian.
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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2017, 06:36:13 pm »

Sew a blue and bronze ribbon down the outside seam of the black trousers to make them look more military, wear with the blue jacket, white shirt and a waist cincher, add that blue bowler (wow, a blue bowler!) and accessorize with a telescope and compass because you are an airship captain after all,and it will reassure your passengers that you know where you're going! Maybe a medal or two?
I do like those striped skirts - and another corset is always a good idea.
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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2017, 06:49:49 am »

Plenty of Halloween related things you could dig up from victorian times. You could be a spiritualist or medium. A fortune teller. An alchemist. Astrologist ( actual science or study is called Obsolete. But I don't think most people would get the astrology connection.) Voodoo priestess. An undertaker. Or any combo. You could be a spiritualist undertaker with a nack for astrology. Your specialty could be reading horoscopes to the dearly departed. There's to much fun to be had to be predictable!
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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2017, 01:26:43 am »

finding and picking a personality to build the costume up to is the way to go... sounds so simple meh!

anyways, here's a few to mull over...

ghost hunter/remover <visceral, in the trenches, seen-it-all sort of mercenary who battles the unexplained.
airship privateer <quasi military independent soldier for hire, with a fine ship at her disposal.
summons server/bounty hunter <formal but rough and tumble, mixes well in all sorts of social circles but gets the job done.
temporal detective (time cop) <assigned to protect a specific section of history from temporal intrusions and time traveling villains, past and future.
pinkerton investigator/bodyguard< highly trained security specialist who protects the wealthy and politically connected, for the right price.
paranormal researcher<scientifically trained field agent whose job is protecting the citizenry from things that go bump in the night.

once you have decided on the personality, figure out what they need for equipment to do their job, what they would wear to do their job, what interests might they have other than their work, what sort of circles would they travel in and deal with daily. the costume sort of assembles itself from that point.

good luck with your endeavor and keep us informed please!
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« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2017, 04:46:02 am »

finding and picking a personality to build the costume up to is the way to go... sounds so simple meh!

anyways, here's a few to mull over...

ghost hunter/remover <visceral, in the trenches, seen-it-all sort of mercenary who battles the unexplained.
airship privateer <quasi military independent soldier for hire, with a fine ship at her disposal.
summons server/bounty hunter <formal but rough and tumble, mixes well in all sorts of social circles but gets the job done.
temporal detective (time cop) <assigned to protect a specific section of history from temporal intrusions and time traveling villains, past and future.
pinkerton investigator/bodyguard< highly trained security specialist who protects the wealthy and politically connected, for the right price.
paranormal researcher<scientifically trained field agent whose job is protecting the citizenry from things that go bump in the night.

once you have decided on the personality, figure out what they need for equipment to do their job, what they would wear to do their job, what interests might they have other than their work, what sort of circles would they travel in and deal with daily. the costume sort of assembles itself from that point.

good luck with your endeavor and keep us informed please!

But I thought Ms Preussen already had a persona!

Hello, all! What a pleasure to be here!

My name (on here, at least) is Captain Annemarie von Preußen of the Eagle's Arrow airship, though since that's such a mouthful, most call me Anne.

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Why not follow that lead?

Though we haven't heard from Ms. Preussen for a while - about a month. Surely by now she's got something up her sleeve...
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« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2017, 03:41:21 pm »

In case no one's noticed, I have a bad habit of neglecting my own threads... but I'm back now!  Grin

It seems unfortunately I'm not going to make it to all three days of my favorite convention this year, meaning that I don't have a day to dedicate to steampunk, and since I have to give an important presentation on Halloween day, I can't dress up then either! I'm quite sad at how this all worked out, but it's okay-- I'm still going to get me a fancy steampunk outfit and wear it for my semi-planned steampunk dinner party this winter. So now I'm thinking something more formal and less engine room grit!

I'm going to keep my original persona of airship captain (I don't care if it's basic and that everyone and their uncle is a dirigible commander or similar-- it's fun and I love it) and perhaps go a bit more formal. One of my favorite looks, steampunk or not, is mixing formal with functional, so I was thinking a large, dramatic skirt of some sort, with a bustle of course! I'd probably have to make it or at least modify it myself.

What should I put beneath the skirt? I really enjoy how knee-high stockings look on me, and they'd fit the winter theme quite nicely. Boots would be practical if I was going to be running around, but I think heavy workboots might clash in a way that might not look very nice. What do you all think?

To be honest, I'm kind of lost when it comes to the rest of the outfit. I'm unsure if I want to go for a somewhat accurate formal look, with the low, round neckline and off-shoulder sleeves worn by late Victorian and Edwardian women at very formal gatherings, if I should bring in some masculinity through a jacket or similar, or if I should do something else entirely! I am, however, very taken with the idea of an overall dark blue/bronze color scheme (so thank you all for helping me work that out!), so that will be included. Any further help would be greatly appreciated!
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« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2017, 04:44:28 pm »

Locking in on a character sets the tone.  I'm glad Wilhem pointed that out.

as I am doing, I think playing around with a single persona and the different outfits/combinations they might need gives focus AND opens up variety.

So Captain von Preussen has a dinner engagement to attend.

Dress for that.  What would she wear or consider her "finest" for impressing the admiralty and convincing them to finance her next expedition?

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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2017, 05:58:09 pm »

Would a tight fitting military-inspired jacket contrast nicely with the flamboyant skirt? Something with a double row of buttons down the front and a neckline so sharp you cut slice cheese with it.

Yours,
Miranda.
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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2017, 06:33:21 pm »

Would a tight fitting military-inspired jacket contrast nicely with the flamboyant skirt? Something with a double row of buttons down the front and a neckline so sharp you cut slice cheese with it.

Yours,
Miranda.


You mean like princesses Olga and Tatiana of Russia in 1911? Below is a false colour (Photochrome process) photo.

http://pinterest.com/pin/178314466468903443/ (Right click to zoom)

EDIT: The correct colour on the actual uniform is:


Thus I don't see any issue with incorporating bronze and navy blue. Why not get a navy blue coat and make a "bronze bib," instead of the orange-yellow? In fact I don't even see why the fabric could not even be striped in bronze.

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Other examples though less fancy are the uniform of Princess Margaret of Prussia.

Princess Margaret of Prussia, ca. 1905

Regarding shoes, you mentioned you had knee high heels; please note that knee high boots were common among the Prussian officers. Just look at Otto von Bismarck in that famous painting about the coronation of Emperor Wilhelm I at the Palace of Versailles in France after the defeat of Napoleon III in 1871:


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You might also want to take a look at some Japanese Animé characters. They love their militaria, and sometimes you see skirted or quasi - skirted female uniforms. The Japanese are often very quirky in their accessories.

Consider the female character Vasant from the 2nd installment of Last Exile. There's more than one noble woman serving in the military in the Last Exile franchise (Vasant is a general, below, Sophia is a princess and a First Officer on a ship belonging to the opposing army and the third one, Tatiana, is a pilot). The characters are often inspired by late 19th. C European and Russian nobility, with a few cute hints of the Russian "Swan Lake" ballet's crowns/tiaras thrown in for good measure  Cheesy You got to love the Japanese for paying attention to that even though ballet and militaria as a far apart as they could ever be  Grin The Japanese cartoonists get kudos for making military uniforms functional and feminine at the same time.

Vasant - noble woman and military general of the Ades Federation in Last Exile (2): Fam The Silver Wing


Sophia Forrester, Princess from the Kingdom of Anatoray, and First Officer aboard the Silvana ship, in Last Exile (1)

There is a lot of play with the hair/headwear of the characters if you notice, as the creators decided to drop cultural hints into their physical appearance. Perhaps some "ethnic" braid work in the head with some head gear somewhat in the style of Ukranian women? Is there some ethnic characteristic in the headgear that might showcase her Germanic background?

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Regarding the coat, there is a lot of cheap stuff to choose from if you're willing to shop Chinese. There will not be enough time for Halloween, but if you need it for Winter, there is still time for these:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Kate-Kasin-2017-Women-Sweatshirts-Solid-Black-Long-Sleeve-Black-Zipper-Autumn-Winter-Outerwear-Coats-Fashion/32792978827.html

Naturally the nicer ones are (a lot) more expensive... but maybe adding the rope to an old jacket or Goodwill find is a good project? Remember the golden curtain rope I used for my coat insignia?
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2017-Autumn-Women-High-Quality-Navy-Blue-Vintage-Double-breasted-Jacket-Ladies-Lapel-Long-Sleeve-Embroidery/32827196665.html

Curtain ropes, set of 2 for $4.44 at Walmart


Other links:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2017-Autumn-Women-Navy-Style-Stand-Collar-Long-Sleeve-Short-Jacket-Ladies-Gold-embroidery-With-Button/32830103204.html

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Jackets-Women-Long-Sleeve-Fashion-Women-Short-Jacket-Outerwer-Slim-Embroidery-Double-Breasted-Military-Streetwear-Coat/32800362015.html

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Europe-and-the-United-States-military-uniform-latest-fashion-temperament-Double-breasted-shawl-shrug-Cape-fur/32773492487.html


Cheers,

JW
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« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2017, 01:24:47 pm »

Yes, those are along the lines I was thinking of. If it were me I'd ditch the fringed epaulets and wide belts as, to me, they detract from the cut of the jacket. Also, if the skirt is to be wide with a bustle then either the jacket will need to be just waist length or open out widely enough to accommodate the skirt.

Yours,
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« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2017, 03:08:15 pm »

Yes, those are along the lines I was thinking of. If it were me I'd ditch the fringed epaulets and wide belts as, to me, they detract from the cut of the jacket. Also, if the skirt is to be wide with a bustle then either the jacket will need to be just waist length or open out widely enough to accommodate the skirt.

Yours,
Miranda.

The epaulettes are meant for only the most ceremonial of occasions. They could be ditched in favour of simpler "Russian Knots," or even simpler shoulder boards without any superfluous decoration. In the United States there were several "grades" of formality. At some point, after 1872 fringed epaulettes were ditched by all officers altogether and replaced by fringeless Russian knots, except for generals. I ignore the Prussian regulations and standards were, but it's a good idea to research the period. Note than no one in the 1871 coronation of Wilhelm I was wearing epaulettes. You might have saches and large medals, and the occasional metal armor and helmet for cavalry officers. Half of the officers were wearing shoes, and the other knee and higher length boots.

You might not even need any shoulder boards, because you have the collar insignia, as in Tatiana Romanov's uniform.
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« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2017, 04:02:18 am »

After looking through everyone's replies (my thanks to all of you! I'm happy to be part of such a helpful community Cheesy), I've sketched a very rough idea of what my outfit might look like. I tried to make my body as accurate as possible, because I am curvier, and I wanted to avoid having an outfit that looked good on a stick-thin drawing but doesn't translate well to real-life me.

I've decided to go away from the blue and bronze, mostly because in looking through my past outfits, nearly every single one has that color scheme! In an effort to add some more variety, this one might have burgundy and dark gray as the main colors, accented by brass/gold.

I loved the idea of a tight military jacket that Miranda suggested, but since I wanted to wear it open to show the blouse underneath, I think I might opt for another huntseat-style jacket (and because that's very in my comfort zone). I'd wear it open and pin it down at the waist so it doesn't get all flappy.

I also loved JW's idea of adding braid, and I think it'd look quite nice around the sleeves. I'm also taking inspiration from your character's lovely knee-high knitted socks (I'm sure you posted your own outfit ideas in another thread somewhere...). Very nice for winter! The high-heeled Oxford-style shoes I'm thinking of might be a bit tricky on ice, but when has steampunk ever been practical?

What do you all think so far?

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Thanks again for being so helpful and encouraging! This conversation inspired me to pick up my drawing tablet for the first time in who knows how long, and even if it was just a messy sketch, I'm happy to be drawing again.  Grin
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« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2017, 05:55:41 pm »

Ohh, very nice; the colours do work together rather well. So, when are you planning to start sewing it  Wink ?

Yours,
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« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2017, 06:52:29 pm »

After looking through everyone's replies (my thanks to all of you! I'm happy to be part of such a helpful community Cheesy), I've sketched a very rough idea of what my outfit might look like. I tried to make my body as accurate as possible, because I am curvier, and I wanted to avoid having an outfit that looked good on a stick-thin drawing but doesn't translate well to real-life me.

I've decided to go away from the blue and bronze, mostly because in looking through my past outfits, nearly every single one has that color scheme! In an effort to add some more variety, this one might have burgundy and dark gray as the main colors, accented by brass/gold.

I loved the idea of a tight military jacket that Miranda suggested, but since I wanted to wear it open to show the blouse underneath, I think I might opt for another huntseat-style jacket (and because that's very in my comfort zone). I'd wear it open and pin it down at the waist so it doesn't get all flappy.

I also loved JW's idea of adding braid, and I think it'd look quite nice around the sleeves. I'm also taking inspiration from your character's lovely knee-high knitted socks (I'm sure you posted your own outfit ideas in another thread somewhere...). Very nice for winter! The high-heeled Oxford-style shoes I'm thinking of might be a bit tricky on ice, but when has steampunk ever been practical?

What do you all think so far?

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Thanks again for being so helpful and encouraging! This conversation inspired me to pick up my drawing tablet for the first time in who knows how long, and even if it was just a messy sketch, I'm happy to be drawing again.  Grin


Good! Burgundy and grey is a good combination. A cropped jacket open or not would be a must, as is the case in Scottish kilted uniforms. Even for my character, the "fatigue blouse" / shell jacket is a cropped piece meant to be worn open showing the double breasted lapel. In an open jacket the buttons are extremely important as they're the only thing defining the purpose of the jacket besides insignia and any embellishments like knots on the sleeves (what you intend to do with the rope).

There is some argument for knitted socks. In the English speaking world the default is to go to Argyle for socks, but I agree with your decision; I'd rather not use Argyle in a Germanic attire. Solid colour cable (or otherwise) knit socks look more culturally appropriate (I think the post on question was in the "Dress Up thread). Have you defined the colour /texture of the skirt? You're starting to freeze the look in a draft. I find that's the only way to move forward.
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« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2017, 07:16:31 pm »

That looks great; do you have any ideas for headgear yet?  I could see it with a garrison cap in the same colours (although heaven only knows where you'd get one in burgundy and grey ....)
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« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2017, 10:04:52 pm »

Ohh, very nice; the colours do work together rather well. So, when are you planning to start sewing it  Wink ?

Yours,
Miranda.
Heh, heh, sewing? Who said anything about sewing? *sweats nervously*

I'm planning on buying/modding most of the outfit, since my sewing skills certainly aren't the best, but I will probably have to make the skirt. I guess it's back to YouTube tutorials for me!

*snip*

Good! Burgundy and grey is a good combination. A cropped jacket open or not would be a must, as is the case in Scottish kilted uniforms. Even for my character, the "fatigue blouse" / shell jacket is a cropped piece meant to be worn open showing the double breasted lapel. In an open jacket the buttons are extremely important as they're the only thing defining the purpose of the jacket besides insignia and any embellishments like knots on the sleeves (what you intend to do with the rope).

There is some argument for knitted socks. In the English speaking world the default is to go to Argyle for socks, but I agree with your decision; I'd rather not use Argyle in a Germanic attire. Solid colour cable (or otherwise) knit socks look more culturally appropriate (I think the post on question was in the "Dress Up thread). Have you defined the colour /texture of the skirt? You're starting to freeze the look in a draft. I find that's the only way to move forward.
I'm happy I'm starting to go outside my comfort zone a little bit with the color combination, even if this outfit's shape is fairly similar to something I've worn before (but it's my favorite outfit I currently own, so can I really be faulted for recreating it?). As for the socks, I'm definitely staying away from argyle! To be honest, I never really liked the look of them. I think I may actually have a pair of burgundy knee-high socks somewhere that I might try out! For the skirt I'm thinking light gray/white stripe, but I suppose I'll have to look at actual fabrics for that. I'll need to have at least one underskirt as well for some added poof and warmth, because while I tend not to get too cold, it apparently "freaks people out" when I'm not wearing the appropriate amount of winter clothing.

That looks great; do you have any ideas for headgear yet?  I could see it with a garrison cap in the same colours (although heaven only knows where you'd get one in burgundy and grey ....)
Oh, I hadn't even thought about that! I'd probably want to wear my hair up (it's only proper), and yes, some sort of hat in the same colors would look lovely! I wonder if it's time for me to decorate another top hat... I firmly believe that of all the hats in the world, top hats are the ones that make me look the least unfortunate! Maybe something with a gray base, burgundy roses, gray/black ribbons, and brass embellishments? Or would that be taking the color scheme too far?
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« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2017, 11:33:13 pm »

Ohh, very nice; the colours do work together rather well. So, when are you planning to start sewing it  Wink ?

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Heh, heh, sewing? Who said anything about sewing? *sweats nervously*

I'm planning on buying/modding most of the outfit, since my sewing skills certainly aren't the best, but I will probably have to make the skirt. I guess it's back to YouTube tutorials for me!

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Good! Burgundy and grey is a good combination. A cropped jacket open or not would be a must, as is the case in Scottish kilted uniforms. Even for my character, the "fatigue blouse" / shell jacket is a cropped piece meant to be worn open showing the double breasted lapel. In an open jacket the buttons are extremely important as they're the only thing defining the purpose of the jacket besides insignia and any embellishments like knots on the sleeves (what you intend to do with the rope).

There is some argument for knitted socks. In the English speaking world the default is to go to Argyle for socks, but I agree with your decision; I'd rather not use Argyle in a Germanic attire. Solid colour cable (or otherwise) knit socks look more culturally appropriate (I think the post on question was in the "Dress Up thread). Have you defined the colour /texture of the skirt? You're starting to freeze the look in a draft. I find that's the only way to move forward.
I'm happy I'm starting to go outside my comfort zone a little bit with the color combination, even if this outfit's shape is fairly similar to something I've worn before (but it's my favorite outfit I currently own, so can I really be faulted for recreating it?). As for the socks, I'm definitely staying away from argyle! To be honest, I never really liked the look of them. I think I may actually have a pair of burgundy knee-high socks somewhere that I might try out! For the skirt I'm thinking light gray/white stripe, but I suppose I'll have to look at actual fabrics for that. I'll need to have at least one underskirt as well for some added poof and warmth, because while I tend not to get too cold, it apparently "freaks people out" when I'm not wearing the appropriate amount of winter clothing.

That looks great; do you have any ideas for headgear yet?  I could see it with a garrison cap in the same colours (although heaven only knows where you'd get one in burgundy and grey ....)
Oh, I hadn't even thought about that! I'd probably want to wear my hair up (it's only proper), and yes, some sort of hat in the same colors would look lovely! I wonder if it's time for me to decorate another top hat... I firmly believe that of all the hats in the world, top hats are the ones that make me look the least unfortunate! Maybe something with a gray base, burgundy roses, gray/black ribbons, and brass embellishments? Or would that be taking the color scheme too far?

You know? On the skirt I have actually written about that on the past. It's always a bit tricky, because that is where you *must* depart from the British Victorian standard of the era, and adopt either an Ethnic or an updated Steampunk look, both in terms of decoration and length.

I rummages all across the Internet looking for Trachten inspiration on skirts, and I've concluded that the "Pinafore look" or the "scrunched look" of most Trachten dresses and Dirndl simply does not lend itself to a military uniform. They were either too informal, with the wrong materials and colours, fine for a festival or country life. On the other hand, the alternative to a bustle as chosen by women of the era (eg Tatiana Romanov), will usually involve a floor length "pencil" skirt with very little to no decoration usually. That's unfortunate because it means a lost opportunity to showcase the socks and or boots.

But as Steampunks we don't have to follow those prudish standards  Wink There are other trends outside of Trachten that date back to the period. I've suggested the Mexican women's adaptation of men's "Charro" (horse mounted rancher) attire. The Charro attire, with a cropped jacket and large Sombrero hat is basically the embellished festival version of the real ranch hand country attire (which usually lacked all the  metal embellishments and embroidery that you see on the Internet).

Modern versions of Charro skirts also have the long "conical pencil" shape you see in the Romanov photos, and usually are also ankle or floor length; however, the length can be varied to whatever you require to showcase the boots and/or socks. Other "bell shaped" skirts with layers and/or ruffles do exist have also been developed mimicking the North Mexican "Dirndl equivalent" of the 19th C (but are a bit harder to find on the Internet).

A shorter length of either pencil or layered skirt plus a simpler version of the embellishments using a military stile piping or rope rather than embroidery could be used to decorate the front and back of a skirt. The grey colour is universal and would look great with gold and/or burgundy decorations.

Perhaps a shorter version of one of these, worn by Mexican folkloric singer Lucero, but in grey and burgundy details? I'll try to find the other types of skirts with my Google Fu



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« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2017, 12:27:44 am »

It's funny how when you're looking for something you can't find it eh? From what I can see, alternative skirts for Charro suits in more modern times are found in dresses and specifically in dresses for girls' First Communion, Quinceaneras (15Th birthday party) and wedding gowns, and tend to be seen among Mexican American communities in the US...

More popular for girls and teenagers, and very rarely seen as a wedding dress, here's an example of the other extreme, with a bell shaped layered skirt with bustier, and a jacket reduced to a bolero, which is as close as you'll get to an elaborate Victorian period dress. Perhaps some sort of compromise between this post and the one above?



Though I should warn you... though I told you that the "country girl" "Dirndl" style dress is not appropriate as a battle uniform - in real life it did happen  Grin

During the Mexican Revolution (Civil War) of 1910, the peasant wives of ranchers who went to war followed their men aboard railroads and helped feed soldiers, tend to the wounded and even fight during the war. With a strong Native American background their multi coloured ethnic dresses and hair braids were very distinctive and definitely are part of the Mexcian Industrial Revolution period, and thus suited to form a part of Mexican Steampunk  Grin

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« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2017, 02:57:45 am »

Honestly for the skirt I'm thinking something like a longer Classic Lolita in terms of shape. I know it's like the most inaccurate thing ever, but Annemarie doesn't care and neither do I XD gotta show dem legs doe
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