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Author Topic: Is there a Steampunk version of Cyberspace?  (Read 2022 times)
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« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2016, 02:10:19 am »

the astral plane.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astral_plane

astral projection
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astral_projection

the akashic records
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akashic_records

methods of accessing include near death experiences, out of body experiences, and lucid dreaming. All of which could be induced by machines. lucid dreaming might allow one to access the akashic record for data and dictate it out to those around their body. out of body experiences might be a meants of having a person lost in the other plane while their body is held or hidden. and near death experience may be the equivalent of uploading the human mind.

so if nobody likes or even acknowledges the idea I proposed, does that mean I'm free to use this idea in a project of my own?
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« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2016, 02:22:04 am »

the astral plane.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astral_plane

astral projection
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astral_projection

the akashic records
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akashic_records

methods of accessing include near death experiences, out of body experiences, and lucid dreaming. All of which could be induced by machines. lucid dreaming might allow one to access the akashic record for data and dictate it out to those around their body. out of body experiences might be a meants of having a person lost in the other plane while their body is held or hidden. and near death experience may be the equivalent of uploading the human mind.

so if nobody likes or even acknowledges the idea I proposed, does that mean I'm free to use this idea in a project of my own?

Go for it.
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« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2016, 02:59:28 am »

I like the idea, and I"m sorry for not commenting. IN the process of moving and whatnot. Plus kinda researching for this year's NaNoWriMo, which will be a reboot of the original nanowrimo novel I wrote because tenth year anniversery.
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« Reply #28 on: October 11, 2016, 06:23:50 am »

I don't consider occult or mystic concepts of other realms to be equivalent to artificially created environments or experiences.
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« Reply #29 on: October 13, 2016, 06:55:44 am »

the astral plane.
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« Reply #30 on: October 13, 2016, 06:59:11 am »

If someone wants to build a steampunk cyberspace, download High Fidelity and start building. It's like Second Life, but less centralized and higher resolution.
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« Reply #31 on: October 13, 2016, 01:20:55 pm »

If someone wants to build a steampunk cyberspace, download High Fidelity and start building. It's like Second Life, but less centralized and higher resolution.

That isn't what's being discussed here.
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« Reply #32 on: October 13, 2016, 03:53:08 pm »

So short of astral projection-like ideas, what are we looking at for steampunk "cyberspace"?

Maybe ought to go back to the roots of what Cyberspace allegedly was.

When Gibson wrote about it, my interpretation of it was that information, file systems, etc was presented as a virtual landscape environment.

I actually developed a very early prototype of that in college.  The file system was presented on screen as places to go to, and you moved your avatar around on the map.  it wasn't all that, but was an interesting thought experiment on whether it would be useful to look at things that way. Much in the same way the Finder on Apple Macintosh had you think in terms of find the file and just open it, and it would load the appropriate program.  it was just a shift in perspective.

Anyway, along with the how, the question I ask is what do you expect to see in this IntelliScope (trying to come up with a old-timey name here)?

Somebody else has previously pointed out that the techno-How of the actual period would be too slow to transfer and render a realtime presentation of any kind.

Consider instead, what the original point of Cyberspace, the internet, search engines was about.

Information, retrieval and disemination.

Imagining a teletype sort of machine isn't too far fetched.  The user types in a query, probably human readable.  And chooses one of the say ten major information repositories (Harvard being one of them).

So that get's routed over telegraphy things and a human at Harvard receives it and passes it to a runner who chases down shelves looking for the card stack that holds that info, then he runs back with it and feeds it into the hopper and the results come back.

so after a wait of 10-30 minutes, the teletype engages and starts spewing a page of information.

So you have the concept of "going somewhere" in which a given repository is addressed, making a query, to which the searcher finds it and returns it.


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« Reply #33 on: October 14, 2016, 04:05:41 am »

I see V.R. as more of an artificial recreation of reality; not necessarily networked; early VR systems were not networked.

In the 1950's, cinematographer Morton Heilig developed a system called Sensorama; an immersive device resembling an arcade machine that combined a stereoscopic film viewer with stereo sound, fans to simulate wind, scent atomizers, and a vibrating seat; the demonstration film, accompanied by other synchronized sensory elements, recreated the experience of a motorcycle ride.

I you could imagine a similar device based on the technology of 50 to 100 years earlier, and there is your steampunk V.R.

You may be familiar with the old moving magic lantern slides; a form of moving picture that predated cinema. The usually hand painted slides had articulated parts that the operator could manipulate with small levers. An array of such slides could provide visual elements for the experience. Scrolling celluloid scrolls might provide moving backgrounds to simulate movement through the virtual environment. Mechanical noise making devices would give the environment sounds. These visual elements could be controlled by a cam wheel similar to the famous music playing automatons of the 18th and 19th century to play pre sequenced trips through the virtual world, but for a more interactive experience, a more sophisticated control system would be required; one that could change sensory element combinations on the fly at the whim of the user.
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« Reply #34 on: October 14, 2016, 05:59:53 am »

the reference to the things I mentioned were based on similarity of function and form and because they were very much ideas of the time and the perview of specialists with the risk of amatuer dabblers being able to do things with them.

Akashic records, parallel the concepts of big data. They can afford you the knowledge of almost anything past or present if you know how to access them. And getting to them isn't waving fingers and chanting, it's through inducing a state of mind, done potentially through devices designed to trigger a hypnotic state. The records are not some angels notebook, they are the fingerprints left by human minds on the universe. We create them, though less conciously than making a pdf, but perhaps almost as consciously as some memes and viral content.

Astral projection was a god comparison to instant long range communication and telepresence through virtual means. As well as being able to view somebody remotely or track somebody as we can now with cameras, gps, etc.

the astral plane is a fair alternative to VR, a place where thoughts can be used to shape the environment and events.

It doesn't take a stretch to imagine a stethscope style earphones and hypnosis goggles to trigger states of mind designed to grant one access to such alt realities, which grant them access to information, influence and implications to the greater world.

Did humans create these realms... maybe, it may have been brought into being when humanity stepped on the path to civilisation rather than primative animals. The choices and the first self controlled efforts to change how one thinks may have been enmeshed in the dawn of these spaces.

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« Reply #35 on: October 27, 2016, 11:09:52 am »

If there was  Victorian Cyberspace then you can bet that Lady Ada Lovelace would have had some hand in its creation. Imagine hundreds, or maybe even thousands, of linked analytical of difference engines...
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« Reply #36 on: March 22, 2017, 09:52:43 pm »

Any more suggestions?
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« Reply #37 on: March 23, 2017, 03:03:28 am »

The mention of Akashic records and lucid dreaming reminds me of Oneironautics, traveling to other people's dreams. I use that concept in my book, a way of seeing a person's inner-most thoughts - or - if they are also lucid in their dreams - then multiple people could meet up in their dreams to talk, no matter how far apart they are in physical reality, so long as they are all asleep at the same time. I realize Oneironautics is nothing new, but it definitely strikes me as the closest thing to cyber-space one could imagine in a Steampunk world.
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« Reply #38 on: March 23, 2017, 03:19:49 am »

Any more suggestions?

Jam a copper electrode into your cerebral cortex. Run the wire to an assembly of acid cells, leyden jars, and Van de Graaff generators. Throw that big Frankenstein knife switch. There's your steampunk virtual reality.
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« Reply #39 on: March 24, 2017, 02:48:37 am »

I don't quite see the connection between a floating town and a victorian version of cyberspace.

Within the games Steam punk setting, "Columbia is ravaged by "Tears" in the fabric of space-time.[18] Being the result of past scientific experiments, these Tears reveal alternate universes, and allow for interaction with them" (quoted from wiki).

We are talking about a version of cyberspace. I think this qualifies.



There's something that bothers me about that analogy. Tears in the space time continuum in that context refer to alternate physical realities, better understood as parallel universes, does it not? This means those parallel universes are entirely physical and not an abstract mathematical construct made by man, as in the case of our real world cyberspace.
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« Reply #40 on: March 24, 2017, 02:56:35 am »

In more amicable to the idea of Akashic Records as a sort of "Aethric Database".  Without discussing the exact physicality of the records, it is understood the records are information only, and not an alternate reality. What the aetheric server looks like is up to debate. A natural phenomenon, a holographic wave left in the form of electromagnetic waves? Then tuning into am Akashic record is possible through radio receivers.
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« Reply #41 on: March 24, 2017, 05:03:40 am »

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