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Author Topic: Help me. Types of suitcases  (Read 865 times)
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« on: February 04, 2016, 04:57:31 pm »

I love the old, leather bag. I have a bag of bison, walrus, two of the crocodile, and another bag just leather (The initial owners of the skins lost their one hundred years ago).

But I am confused in classifying and defining the bags. What are bags?

Here is a list of words for the bag:

  • carpet bag
  • Gladstone bag
  • Doctor's Bag
  • messenger bag
  • traditional string bag
  • breifcase
  • valise
  • suitcases
  • Maybe I missed something?



Who is who and what is the difference? For example, "Gladstone bag" is one type of "Doctor's Bag"?

And if possible, attach photos, that would be understandable.

Sincerely, Denis Morozov
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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2016, 05:07:01 pm »

The simplest answer would be to type the various terms into Google images.
While each term can have a selection of applicable images, the 'average' of a page of images will give a good idea of the type of bags to which the term applies.

e.g. carpet bag:

https://www.google.ae/search?q=2+fingers+of+scotch&client=tablet-android-samsung&prmd=ivsn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwijnerku97KAhWHpR4KHcl8CQEQ_AUIBygB#tbm=isch&q=carpet+bag&imgrc=GneSDj2eW5HvdM%3A
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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2016, 05:20:39 pm »

The simplest answer would be to type the various terms into Google images.
While each term can have a selection of applicable images, the 'average' of a page of images will give a good idea of the type of bags to which the term applies.

e.g. carpet bag:

https://www.google.ae/search?q=2+fingers+of+scotch&client=tablet-android-samsung&prmd=ivsn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwijnerku97KAhWHpR4KHcl8CQEQ_AUIBygB#tbm=isch&q=carpet+bag&imgrc=GneSDj2eW5HvdM%3A

Thanks for the tip. How did I ever think about!


There is a complication. The pictures most likely will be modern things named by this word.

I look at the "carpet bag". And I can not believe that with such bright bags, the Yankees went to strip the defeated Confederacy.
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2016, 05:45:21 pm »

No, that's a fairly typical collection of carpet bags.

Remember that gentlemen were rather more flamboyant in that century, with loud check trousers and brocade waistcoats etc rather than the modern drabness of grey/black suits, and that the Yankee Carpet-baggers would have been the more exotic style of businessmen in their era and outfitted themselves accordingly, like flashy mobsters might today.

As to avoiding modern variants, try adding 'vintage' to the search term.
e.g.
'Doctor bag' gives a fair sample of actual Doctor's bags plus a few modern ladies handbags and luggage in the similar open-top style, but 'Doctor bag vintage' gives a good set of examples - a leather open-top bag that has a hinged jaw and solid edges, with 2 handles and usually 2 securing straps

However, for a 'Gladstone bag' many of the images are incorrectly Doctor's bags. A proper Gladstone is similar but the hinges are at the bottom so that the two halves separate fully, like a clamshell.
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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2016, 07:17:36 am »

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
By a curious coincidence, I also collect antique doctors' bags and travelling cases, which I pick up in the Rastro in Madrid.
And yes, definitions are odiously inexact sometimes.
Sometimes advertising posters and photos and other artwork from the XIXth century or the Belle Epoch will give you the best idea of what you're looking for.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/91/1f/84/911f84c82e7243abeaf10793152bead3.jpg

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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2016, 07:57:47 pm »

I'm left curious about patterns for these various bags and if anyone has them
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« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2016, 10:26:54 pm »


However, for a 'Gladstone bag' many of the images are incorrectly Doctor's bags. A proper Gladstone is similar but the hinges are at the bottom so that the two halves separate fully, like a clamshell.

Well I never knew that.
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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2016, 03:22:05 am »

Yes, it's a common misapprehension. Even Wikipedia only has it partially correct - they describe the Gladstone in the text of the article but then have an image of a Doctor's bag.

I can't link the image for some reason, but if you go to "Gladstone bag" on the Google Images, most are Doctor's bags but halfway down the page there's a vintage advertisement for S. Fisher of the Strand with his various models correctly labelled.
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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2016, 08:31:38 am »

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.


I picked up an example of "Our daughter's bag" in a flea market for 25 euros.
A charming traveller's bag!

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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2016, 04:10:47 pm »

pictures  pictures!  PICTURES!!!

give us pictures of your suitcase pr0n, don't just excite us with lewd and suggestive verbage.

you big tease!  Cheesy
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« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2016, 06:32:40 pm »

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.


I picked up an example of "Our daughter's bag" in a flea market for 25 euros.
A charming traveller's bag!

I remain yours,
Prof. Cecily


Any idea what that long-tailed font is called in the advert?

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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2016, 10:00:45 am »

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
pictures  pictures!  PICTURES!!!

give us pictures of your suitcase pr0n, don't just excite us with lewd and suggestive verbage.

you big tease!  Cheesy

Photos, you say?
It never occurred to me, but over the week to come, I'll see to it.

I remain yours,
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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2016, 01:57:59 pm »

pictures  pictures!  PICTURES!!!

give us pictures of your suitcase pr0n, don't just excite us with lewd and suggestive verbage.

you big tease!  Cheesy

She waltzed into the Forum, her well-packed Gladstones bulging near to breaking their tightly-buckled leather straps.....    Shocked
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« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2016, 07:20:36 am »

The simplest answer would be to type the various terms into Google images.
While each term can have a selection of applicable images, the 'average' of a page of images will give a good idea of the type of bags to which the term applies.

e.g. carpet bag:

https://www.google.ae/search?q=2+fingers+of+scotch&client=tablet-android-samsung&prmd=ivsn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwijnerku97KAhWHpR4KHcl8CQEQ_AUIBygB#tbm=isch&q=carpet+bag&imgrc=GneSDj2eW5HvdM%3A

Thanks for the tip. How did I ever think about!


There is a complication. The pictures most likely will be modern things named by this word.

I look at the "carpet bag". And I can not believe that with such bright bags, the Yankees went to strip the defeated Confederacy.

 It may come as a shock to many  - the world was not in reality sepia tones before the 60s.  It appeared that way through a series of camera tricks
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« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2016, 09:35:24 am »

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
An overview of Victorian textiles shows riotous colour, made possible by the modern dyeing techniques.
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/txtn/hd_txtn.htm


pictures  pictures!  PICTURES!!!

give us pictures of your suitcase pr0n, don't just excite us with lewd and suggestive verbage.

you big tease!  Cheesy


She waltzed into the Forum, her well-packed Gladstones bulging near to breaking their tightly-buckled leather straps.....    Shocked


This is why I love Steampunk!

I remain yours,
Prof. Cecily
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« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2016, 11:53:37 am »

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
In general, I'm not in favour of encouraging pr0n in any form, but for this thread I'll make an exception.

My travelling bag collection, all bought in Madrid's flea market, El Rastro:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=507093802803791&set=a.473971996115972.1073741891.100005095277286&type=3&theater
I remain yours,
Prof. Cecily
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« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2016, 12:07:15 pm »

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
In general, I'm not in favour of encouraging pr0n in any form, but for this thread I'll make an exception.

My travelling bag collection, all bought in Madrid's flea market, El Rastro:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=507093802803791&set=a.473971996115972.1073741891.100005095277286&type=3&theater
I remain yours,
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That is some serious travelling kit! You clearly have a rather superior flea market in Madrid. I particularly like the bay displaying the collection of tubes. Did you create the insert or was it part of the original bag?

Yours,
Miranda.
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« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2016, 12:07:32 pm »

Professor,
.                   Indeed, when it comes to pr0n portraiture, I often feel a modicum of decorum can be more intriguing, but the beauty showing all her inner secrets there is scandalously delicious.
And you say you picked her up cheaply in a common street market? Remarkable.

F.B.S.       Wink

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« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2016, 12:24:01 pm »

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
I must confess you never know who you're going to meet in El Rastro, anyone from a duchess to a trollop.
I caught the seller in a vulnerable moment- he had 5 minutes to close down his stall and took advantage of that to acquire two cases for 50€. He wanted 150€ for that brazen hussy and a more demure companion of hers, but, as I say, time was pressing and a 50€ note in the hand is most persuasive.

I remain yours,
Prof. Cecily

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« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2016, 12:31:21 pm »

An excellent example of negotiation, an an outstanding find even if it weren't made as such a bargain.
And it appears to be complete down to the button-hook.
That would be rare, as I presume even Spanish bootmakers have succumbed to the modern trends of laces and [ shudder ] velcro.
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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2016, 10:58:55 pm »

The simplest answer would be to type the various terms into Google images.
While each term can have a selection of applicable images, the 'average' of a page of images will give a good idea of the type of bags to which the term applies.

e.g. carpet bag:

https://www.google.ae/search?q=2+fingers+of+scotch&client=tablet-android-samsung&prmd=ivsn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwijnerku97KAhWHpR4KHcl8CQEQ_AUIBygB#tbm=isch&q=carpet+bag&imgrc=GneSDj2eW5HvdM%3A

Thanks for the tip. How did I ever think about!


There is a complication. The pictures most likely will be modern things named by this word.

I look at the "carpet bag". And I can not believe that with such bright bags, the Yankees went to strip the defeated Confederacy.

Sure and they did.

Bright, bright carpet pieces made into bags.

Please recall this was the era of eye-wateringly bright coal tar dyes.
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« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2016, 11:32:56 pm »

I seem recall a less-than-complimentary term for a traveler of assumedly nefarious mien: "One-legged carpetbagger"...
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