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« on: July 25, 2015, 12:08:28 pm »

In this thread, we shall try to imagine different type of airship.


Airliner

Cargo

Cruise Airship

Cruiser|Frigate

Destroyer|Man-O-War

Privateer|Airship-Of-The-Line|Pirate

Fishing|Harpooneer

Troop Transport|Air Dragoon

Any other suggestion ?
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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2015, 12:50:56 pm »

I'll be watching and contributing to this thread  Thanks.
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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2015, 03:46:42 pm »

How about Border/Coastal Patrol (with ground attack capabilities)?
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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2015, 04:54:02 pm »

You're missing aircraft/ornithopter carrier (I don't see why early fixed wing aircraft could not be involved).
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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2015, 07:56:05 pm »

Air-yacht
Bobardeer
Dreadnought
Flying (floating) prison hulk.

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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2015, 10:52:08 pm »

Science/research vessel, and, closely related, Explorer class.

Ultra-high altitude experimental vessel.

Hospital ship.

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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2015, 02:27:14 am »

So far I have made:
Battleship
Cruise ship
Fishing vessel
Viking raider
factory ship
Communications ship
Sky yacht
along with several small fighters and just basic transportation ships

I will be starting a new one this week.  At the moment I'm leaning toward a science vessel or a pirate ship.
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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2015, 02:42:24 pm »

As an aside, I've just been doing some quick research on high-altitude airships in preparation for a story I'm about to write. For anyone else intersted, have a look at the first half of this page: http://sped2work.tripod.com/zeppelins.html

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« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2015, 05:52:55 pm »

A scudabout - a small, quick airship for quick jaunts from an untethered airship to the ground or another airship. Like a runabout boat, but named after the rapidly moving cloud.
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« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2015, 06:35:24 pm »

A scudabout - a small, quick airship for quick jaunts from an untethered airship to the ground or another airship. Like a runabout boat, but named after the rapidly moving cloud.

I like that. Mind if we use it?
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« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2015, 06:49:46 pm »

You're missing aircraft/ornithopter carrier (I don't see why early fixed wing aircraft could not be involved).

I'd been giving some thought to a carrier-type of aeroship myself. How might that work? Do you mount the flight deck on top of the gas envelopes, so that the vessel more closely resembles a pontoon boat...? Or would carrying the weight above rather than below the envelopes bugger the stability...?*

On a related note, would aeroships be classified by how their envelopes are configured? If, for example, you employed a pontoon arrangement such as I've posited above, versus an arrangement of multiple spherical envelopes either in a line or as points of a square, versus two envelopes arranged like the nacelles of a certain Constitution-class starship, versus...?


*(I also see this as potentially the ideal configuration for astronomical and meteorological research vessels, as these would provide the best unobstructed views.)
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« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2015, 07:03:06 pm »

You definitely need a double-envelope design to provide stability and enough weight to keep the vessel "right side up.". Another solution is to run a bit of a risk by designing the take off platform in beyween the two airbags such that the overal center of mass is slightly below the cross section center for the gas bags.  Basically the equivalent of a top-wing design in heavy lift aircraft, where the fuselage acts lime a pendulum.
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« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2015, 07:59:20 pm »

You definitely need a double-envelope design to provide stability and enough weight to keep the vessel "right side up.". Another solution is to run a bit of a risk by designing the take off platform in beyween the two airbags such that the overal center of mass is slightly below the cross section center for the gas bags.  Basically the equivalent of a top-wing design in heavy lift aircraft, where the fuselage acts lime a pendulum.

You can use a single envelope - just put the engines and bunkers in the bottom.
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« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2015, 08:19:05 pm »

A scudabout - a small, quick airship for quick jaunts from an untethered airship to the ground or another airship. Like a runabout boat, but named after the rapidly moving cloud.

I have made several small airships and call them jaunters.
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« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2015, 08:21:20 pm »

A scudabout - a small, quick airship for quick jaunts from an untethered airship to the ground or another airship. Like a runabout boat, but named after the rapidly moving cloud.

I have made several small airships and call them jaunters.

That's a good one, too.
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« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2015, 08:40:46 pm »

You definitely need a double-envelope design to provide stability and enough weight to keep the vessel "right side up.". Another solution is to run a bit of a risk by designing the take off platform in beyween the two airbags such that the overal center of mass is slightly below the cross section center for the gas bags.  Basically the equivalent of a top-wing design in heavy lift aircraft, where the fuselage acts lime a pendulum.

You can use a single envelope - just put the engines and bunkers in the bottom.

That may not be enough weight. But you can always make a pendulum by lowering the gondola and creating a "keel" that doubles as supporting structure.  It's basically a vertical stabilizer to discourage roll

(sorry for the typos - iPhone grammar).
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« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2015, 09:17:55 pm »

You definitely need a double-envelope design to provide stability and enough weight to keep the vessel "right side up.". Another solution is to run a bit of a risk by designing the take off platform in beyween the two airbags such that the overal center of mass is slightly below the cross section center for the gas bags.  Basically the equivalent of a top-wing design in heavy lift aircraft, where the fuselage acts lime a pendulum.

You can use a single envelope - just put the engines and bunkers in the bottom.

That may not be enough weight. But you can always make a pendulum by lowering the gondola and creating a "keel" that doubles as supporting structure.  It's basically a vertical stabilizer to discourage roll

(sorry for the typos - iPhone grammar).

It would also lower the CoG - you can balance a single hull to suit, it's just a case of design. But that's by the by; a double hull could potentially give you a greater area to land on.

Edit: also, a side by side hull wouldn't actually increase stability in an airship - the centre of buoyancy would still be at the same height.
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« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2015, 09:39:12 pm »

How about a hanger style landing platform like in the space movies?
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« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2015, 09:58:18 pm »

How about a hanger style landing platform like in the space movies?

Ooooh - a super carrier !! Smiley
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« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2015, 10:14:26 pm »

I'm sure most of you have seen this - but its worth repeating Smiley :



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« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2015, 10:35:43 pm »

That was really difficult, though... At least to my eyes and from the perspective of the pilot.
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« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2015, 10:39:09 pm »

How about a hanger style landing platform like in the space movies?

Ooooh - a super carrier !! Smiley

Fun concept to have a hangar platform. Reminds me of Last Exile with Van Ships.
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How about a hanger style landing platform like in the space movies?


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« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2015, 12:43:16 am »

Of course all of this is fantasy, and I should not be a pedant about it.  But being an aeronautical engineer I feel too bad if I don't point out that is way too much mass for the gas bags, not to mention balance and stability issues.

When hauling that much weight, I find the argument of a fantastical magnetic of gravity levitation system much more appealing.  Hence I go back to Last Exile type ships... If I'm doing fantasy, I prefer to use a bit more fantasy to justify my fantasy  Wink
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« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2015, 01:10:11 am »

Of course all of this is fantasy, and I should not be a pedant about it.  But being an aeronautical engineer I feel too bad if I don't point out that is way too much mass for the gas bags, not to mention balance and stability issues.

When hauling that much weight, I find the argument of a fantastical magnetic of gravity levitation system much more appealing.  Hence I go back to Last Exile type ships... If I'm doing fantasy, I prefer to use a bit more fantasy to justify my fantasy  Wink


Not a problem with the Leviathan; that world posits a 1914 where the nations of humanity have scavenged technology from the failed 1899 Martian invasion, so they're using Tesla's interpretations of Martian technology for propulsion, lift, weaponry, etc.

You should really check out that film; the animation for the various bits of Earth-Martian hybrid technology and the overall design work is quite impressive. (The animation for organic beings, and some of the story elements...meh, but overall it's still worth watching.)

War of the Worlds Goliath Official Trailer #1 (2014) - Animated Sci-Fi Movie HD


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