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« on: May 28, 2015, 05:38:58 pm »

What form of occult art could be steampunkised ?

My suggestion:

Astralagomancy: easily mechanisable ( think early slot machine)

Anthropomancy: I see a mad physician praticing this.

Necromancy: would give legal medecine a great help.

Vodoo: Let's face it ,Frankenstein's monster is technically a zombie.

Kabal/Shamanism: Golem/Tulag + clockwork= artificial intelligence. A common theme of my inner universe
actually.

Alchemie: Duh !

Any other kind of magitech you can suggest ?


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« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2015, 05:55:51 pm »

What form of occult art could be steampunkised ? That is "actual" tradition, not fictional one. *crossing fingers hoping it doesn't go against the rule*

My suggestion:

Astralagomancy: easily mechanisable ( think early slot machine)

Anthropomancy: I see a mad physician praticing this.

Necromancy: would give legal medecine a great help.

Vodoo: Let's face it ,Frankenstein's monster is technically a zombie.

Kabal/Shamanism: Golem/Tulag + clockwork= artificial intelligence. A common theme of my inner universe actually.

Alchemie: Duh !

Pyrokenesie: the ultimate fuel !

Any other kind of magitech you can suggest ?




Can someone merge this two post please ? ^^
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« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2015, 06:13:51 pm »

In some respects, Frankinstiens monster was Necromancy
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« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2015, 06:18:04 pm »

Considering than necromancy is the art of reading the futur in the entrail of corpse, no it wasn't . Remember this thread is about real life occultism not fictional wizardry.
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« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2015, 09:06:11 pm »

Considering than necromancy is the art of reading the futur in the entrail of corpse, no it wasn't . Remember this thread is about real life occultism not fictional wizardry.

The telling of the future in the entrails of corpse's is only a part of necromancy and I quote
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Necromancy /ˈnɛkrɵˌmænsi/ or nigromancy is a form of magic involving communication with the deceased – either by summoning their spirit as an apparition or raising them bodily – for the purpose of divination, imparting the means to foretell future events or discover hidden knowledge, or to use the deceased as a weapon, as the term may sometimes be used in a more general sense to refer to black magic or witchcraft.
Necromancy is generally anything to do with dealing with the dead Including resurrection and whilst the catholic religion say that jesus's resurrection is considered an "Act of God" in realism it is more likely and act of Necromancy.
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« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2015, 09:19:56 pm »

Noted
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« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2015, 09:23:47 pm »

How about the use of Crystal in technology?
Different crystals have different effect when used and combined and in some conditions can be used as security devices.
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« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2015, 09:45:20 pm »

I'd like to see machines that can store and manipulate chi, the energy that the chinese believe exists.
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« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2015, 09:46:48 pm »

Do some google searches on occultism in the 19th century and you will find all kinds of stuff; Madame Blavatsky and her popularization of eastern religion in the west, occultist Aleister Crowley and his brethren,etc. There was the Ghost Dance among the American indians. There was strange mysticism connected with the study of martial arts in the far east. There was even a sizable following of Voodoo in New Orleans, with both black and white congregants. You should be able to find all kinds of cool stuff if you look.

Are you planning a role-playing campaign?
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« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2015, 10:03:29 pm »

@ Atterton: Like a steampunk version of Sid Meier's Alpha Centaury's Planetary Energy Grid project ? :
www.youtube.com/watch?v=koGXyu04QYE



@RJBowman : Nah, just collecting random idea.
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« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2015, 10:09:15 pm »

Possibly. I was thinking like a power glove, that collects chi energy to let you punch harder.

You could also look at ley lines.
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« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2015, 10:31:25 pm »



 Seances with ectoplasm
Ouija
  Predicting/ seeing the future [ teal leaf reading , crystal ball, cloud formation,  tarot,etc]
Astral travel
Spell making
Broom stick flying
Steam purification rituals
Gothic religious ritual

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« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2015, 10:58:43 pm »

@Atterton:

Your power glove idea is cool too, you can raise the bar and add boots for kicking.
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« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2015, 03:36:39 am »

The idea of ley lines comes from a book published in 1921; late for steampunk.
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« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2015, 05:20:30 am »

Mechanomage (I suppose Techmage is already taken..Wink
Thaumatic Engineer
Occultarian
The Order of the (fill in the blank) Golden Dawn, for example
Elementarian - as in the four
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« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2015, 05:50:19 am »

In Rifts, steam power is often used by techno-wizards because they have difficulty (in the core book it is ruled as impossible) converting IC-powered vehicles. A telekinetic engine can be substituted, but its power to weight ratiois only sufficient to run aircraft at a ley line; otherwise it can only be used for ground vehicles. If it proves difficult build such a thing, electrically-based magical effects can be used to operate an electromagnetic motor, or fire and water magic to run a steam plant.
The ley lines usually have sufficient energy to run aircraft, but otherwise they're deadweight; some can move at a very low performance, but others cannot move at all without the ley line to empower them. This makes the ley lines rather like a railway, and in one book this is taken a bit literally- mighty steam trains with either fire elementals or fire daemons in their fireboxes ride on top of the lines.
One issue of the Rifter wondered about specialised techno-wizards to use certain kinds of magic; all evil, including techno-shifters making portal machines to trap elementals or other magical creatures in their machines and make them work, and necro-techs who can use dead body parts to make cybernetic replacements that don't interfere with the use of magic, as biomechanics normally does in the setting. Then there's Splugorth bio-wizard equipment...
Then there's Deadlands, and the secret of how Dr Hellstromme makes the control core for his automatons and clockwork terrantulas... Hint: Mad Science is listed as an occupation under the Arcane backgrounds.
Frankensteins' monster is really a flesh golem, vastly different from an enhanced zombie.
In the Iron Kingdoms setting, there are many different technologies in use, all run by magic, as all the automata in the setting use a cortex unit for a magitek control computer, and have other magical bits such as arc nodes and soul drives. Most use steam, though one faction uses electric motors, one uses clockwork, and one uses modified people. The Cryx also use an army of zombies and flesh golem, or Thralls; these range from scrap thralls and mechanithralls, which are mechanically enhanced zombies, to much more complex bloat thralls and centaur-like constructs made of dead flesh.
The cephalyx can do these things to people as well, however they don't bother to kill you before they make you into their biomechanical slave monster.
Don't get me started on Games Workshop, either- even the daemon army has machines, or machine-shaped models, in it. Daemonic possession of Chaos Marines extends to their powered armour; you could have Chaos vehicles given daemonic possession as an army-building option; and see if you can find links between the Dark Eldar and Hellraiser.

I have been thinking of a universe where fire magic can be used by railways to save on fuel, and electric multiple units could be solar-powered, with enchanted wooden bodies that grow giant leaves on top to collect energy.
You go to an alchemist to buy ammunition for magitek weapons.
Firearms could fire the elements.
Clothing could have many magitek functions installed, from simple invisibility cloaks to swimwear that provides underwater breathing and fish-like swimming ability (or even turns you into a fish!)
Human-powered aircraft, with magic to provide the flight capabilities? (Broomsticks may be illegal or even just abandoned due to the difficulties of hanging onto it safely.)

Then again, look around for artwork of wizards' labs and you will find many a mechanical device in there, such as the planetarium in The Dark Crystal. Some may have telescopes, their potion-cooking equipment may be Victorian labware and therefore look like chemistry anyway, and one piece of trading card game artwork features a titanic astronomical clock. Alchemists' and electrical mages' workshops may simply be indistinguishable from cartoon mad scientists' labs.

In a Weird West setting, I would be very wary of people who shuffle cards idly while not even playing at the moment.

Cultists could end up making a machine to open portals to places Man was not meant to see.


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« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2015, 06:03:37 am »

How about the idea of a steam vehicle fired by a Maxwell's daemon?
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« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2015, 02:21:24 pm »

d'oh! I've seen it done in a book once, but I can't remember where...
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« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2015, 07:09:44 pm »

IIRC it was used in one of Robert Vardeman's Cenotaph Road novels.

Christopher Stasheff also had a second series called (I think) A Wizard in Rhyme or something like that; I think I recall his protagonist summoning a Maxwell's or two.
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« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2015, 10:08:31 am »

It would be interesting to have a technological device which could measure karma levels. It would show you wether your accrued karma points were enough to be moving upwards in the next reincarnation cycle. Perhaps an alethiometer-like device, which would point to different animals, to show which one you would reincarnate as.
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« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2015, 02:53:09 am »

Stasheff, yup, that's where I saw it. Kudos!
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« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2015, 05:19:14 am »

Good list, I always like the idea that Alchemy could blend nicely into a steampunk world. Especially since historic alchemy was a lot more pseudo-sciency then shows like Fullmetal Alchemist. 

Considering than necromancy is the art of reading the futur in the entrail of corpse, no it wasn't . Remember this thread is about real life occultism not fictional wizardry.
The telling of the future in the entrails of corpse's is only a part of necromancy and I quote
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Necromancy /ˈnɛkrɵˌmænsi/ or nigromancy is a form of magic involving communication with the deceased – either by summoning their spirit as an apparition or raising them bodily – for the purpose of divination, imparting the means to foretell future events or discover hidden knowledge, or to use the deceased as a weapon, as the term may sometimes be used in a more general sense to refer to black magic or witchcraft.
Necromancy is generally anything to do with dealing with the dead Including resurrection and whilst the catholic religion say that jesus's resurrection is considered an "Act of God" in realism it is more likely and act of Necromancy.

Sorry, but that would be Haruspicy (or Anthropomancy/Splanchomancy if they were human - yeah, don't get curious while looking up how to spell stuff, seriously just don't). The divinataion in that description is probably referring to asking spirits about the future. The raising of dead physically is also a newer concept, not found in older definitions of Necromancy.
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« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2015, 06:23:42 am »

Good list, I always like the idea that Alchemy could blend nicely into a steampunk world. Especially since historic alchemy was a lot more pseudo-sciency then shows like Fullmetal Alchemist. 

Considering than necromancy is the art of reading the futur in the entrail of corpse, no it wasn't . Remember this thread is about real life occultism not fictional wizardry.
The telling of the future in the entrails of corpse's is only a part of necromancy and I quote
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Necromancy /ˈnɛkrɵˌmænsi/ or nigromancy is a form of magic involving communication with the deceased – either by summoning their spirit as an apparition or raising them bodily – for the purpose of divination, imparting the means to foretell future events or discover hidden knowledge, or to use the deceased as a weapon, as the term may sometimes be used in a more general sense to refer to black magic or witchcraft.
Necromancy is generally anything to do with dealing with the dead Including resurrection and whilst the catholic religion say that jesus's resurrection is considered an "Act of God" in realism it is more likely and act of Necromancy.

Sorry, but that would be Haruspicy (or Anthropomancy/Splanchomancy if they were human - yeah, don't get curious while looking up how to spell stuff, seriously just don't). The divinataion in that description is probably referring to asking spirits about the future. The raising of dead physically is also a newer concept, not found in older definitions of Necromancy.

I've always* referred to the raising of the dead as "thanaturgy."

*For arbitrarily recent values of "always."
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« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2015, 09:17:00 am »

Technically, the -mancy and -kinesis suffixes are both misnomers. "-mantia" stands for divination, making "Necromancy" the mystical practice of communicating with the dead but not necessarily bringing them Back from the Dead. "

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« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2015, 04:54:58 am »

I think there's a reason no one calls their character's power Necrourgy, that really doesn't sound right.

I think it only falls under Thanaturgy if it would be considered a good thing, as opposed to something like raising an unholy army of undead.
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