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Author Topic: SLAB CITY ; Salton Sea - Steampunk or no?  (Read 1296 times)
Hurricane Annie
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« on: December 14, 2014, 02:40:12 am »


 Slab City at the Salton sea abandoned military installation in California. Is it Steampunk  and / or does it have steampunk potential.


http://edgem21.blogspot.co.nz/2011/12/slab-city.html

https://www.flickr.com/photos/slworking/sets/72157621960805804/

https://cdn1.gbot.me/photos/pl/vc/1334261682/-Slab_City__Niland__Califo-20000000002762688-500x375.jpg





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« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2014, 03:00:19 am »


More history of the place

 
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slab_City

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salton_Sea

http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2105597,00.html

http://www.slabcity.org/history.asp

http://blogs.reuters.com/photographers-blog/2012/03/06/on-the-edge-of-reality/

http://www.natedamm.com/slab-city-why-im-going-back-and-a-brief-history/

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/slab-city-a-desert-haven-for-recessions-victims/

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« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2014, 03:07:19 am »

How is that in any way steampunk?
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« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2014, 03:18:49 am »

How is that in any way steampunk?

 It could be seen as a Sign O' the Times . A population  that has developed a new society built on  rising from the ashes of  the old  mainstream lifestyle that has burst at  its seams and combusted.

 It could be  the way of life in the  future utilizing the waste and detritus of the past "throw away "  society.

It represents  a renewed  and rebirthed cycle of life based on the recycling ,  reinvention and rejuvenation of elements of the  past.
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« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2014, 03:42:59 am »

I remember hearing about that place, potential, I'd say. There's nothing strictly steampunk about an abandon city... until some steampunks move in and start renovating.
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« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2014, 03:48:34 am »

I remember hearing about that place, potential, I'd say. There's nothing strictly steampunk about an abandon city... until some steampunks move in and start renovating.

 It is an intriguing place.

 No doubt there are more of these  "underground " landscapes being used by the alternative societies.

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« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2014, 04:58:18 am »

Post-Apocolyptic, maybe...Wink
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« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2014, 05:01:11 pm »

Post-Apocolyptic, maybe...Wink




That's what I was thinking. Not really steampunk, or perhaps it could serve as a movie set for a slice of life from a world where steam could conceivably be in the background providing power to run generators for the lights and stuff. The problem I have with that is that if it's post-apocalyptic, and they're using the leftovers of past civilization, wouldn't they be more likely to use the internal combustion tech that civilization had?

Yeah, I know, I'm thinking too much...
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« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2014, 06:39:40 pm »

Post-Apocolyptic, maybe...Wink




That's what I was thinking. Not really steampunk, or perhaps it could serve as a movie set for a slice of life from a world where steam could conceivably be in the background providing power to run generators for the lights and stuff. The problem I have with that is that if it's post-apocalyptic, and they're using the leftovers of past civilization, wouldn't they be more likely to use the internal combustion tech that civilization had?

Yeah, I know, I'm thinking too much...

I will stand corrected if I am wrong- but would not steam be a more convenient means  of power than say  a non renewable fuel such as petroleum or gas that would rely on a easily accessible source  and refinery. On a small scale a boiler or furnace may be  a more efficient means of running  a small encampment.
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« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2014, 10:29:30 pm »

Interesting but not my idea of steampunk.
Great setting for a horrible monster movie though!
Cf. The Monster that Challenged the World - considered by many cinematic experts as the best monster movie ever set in the Salton Sea.
Favorite line, "Better send someone to investigate the bottom of the sea, before somebody else gets killt. (sic)"
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« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2014, 11:12:30 pm »

Interesting but not my idea of steampunk.
Great setting for a horrible monster movie though!
Cf. The Monster that Challenged the World - considered by many cinematic experts as the best monster movie ever set in the Salton Sea.
Favorite line, "Better send someone to investigate the bottom of the sea, before somebody else gets killt. (sic)"


 Were a  few of those "horror" movies from back then that revolved around swamps set there ?

 They were great. Amazon women, swamp things,  giant squid, jungle beasts, crazed missionaries, cocaine smugglers.
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« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2014, 11:46:43 pm »

I agree.  In spirit perhaps compatible, but not until you populate it with inhabitants of a Steampunk version of Mad Max.

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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2014, 12:04:24 am »

That movie should feature a car chase scene, with two steam-driven cars where each of them has a man waving a red flag walking in front.
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« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2014, 02:11:25 am »

Post-Apocolyptic, maybe...Wink




That's what I was thinking. Not really steampunk, or perhaps it could serve as a movie set for a slice of life from a world where steam could conceivably be in the background providing power to run generators for the lights and stuff. The problem I have with that is that if it's post-apocalyptic, and they're using the leftovers of past civilization, wouldn't they be more likely to use the internal combustion tech that civilization had?

Yeah, I know, I'm thinking too much...

I will stand corrected if I am wrong- but would not steam be a more convenient means  of power than say  a non renewable fuel such as petroleum or gas that would rely on a easily accessible source  and refinery. On a small scale a boiler or furnace may be  a more efficient means of running  a small encampment.



Unfortunately for both steam and I-C engnes, there's the problem of lubrication...
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« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2014, 02:17:39 am »

Post-Apocolyptic, maybe...Wink




That's what I was thinking. Not really steampunk, or perhaps it could serve as a movie set for a slice of life from a world where steam could conceivably be in the background providing power to run generators for the lights and stuff. The problem I have with that is that if it's post-apocalyptic, and they're using the leftovers of past civilization, wouldn't they be more likely to use the internal combustion tech that civilization had?

Yeah, I know, I'm thinking too much...

I will stand corrected if I am wrong- but would not steam be a more convenient means  of power than say  a non renewable fuel such as petroleum or gas that would rely on a easily accessible source  and refinery. On a small scale a boiler or furnace may be  a more efficient means of running  a small encampment.

Er... The real problem is that steam is usually generated by burning non-renewable fuels.  Steam is only an energy transport and storage medium.  Once IC engines were developed, these new engines were smaller and lighter and you can carry your fuel with you, whereas a steam engine is very heavy and suitable for either very powerful engines like a locomotive, or in stationary settings, where the additional weight of the boiler water and steam is not am issue.
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« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2014, 06:35:47 am »

Post-Apocolyptic, maybe...Wink




That's what I was thinking. Not really steampunk, or perhaps it could serve as a movie set for a slice of life from a world where steam could conceivably be in the background providing power to run generators for the lights and stuff. The problem I have with that is that if it's post-apocalyptic, and they're using the leftovers of past civilization, wouldn't they be more likely to use the internal combustion tech that civilization had?

Yeah, I know, I'm thinking too much...

I will stand corrected if I am wrong- but would not steam be a more convenient means  of power than say  a non renewable fuel such as petroleum or gas that would rely on a easily accessible source  and refinery. On a small scale a boiler or furnace may be  a more efficient means of running  a small encampment.

Er... The real problem is that steam is usually generated by burning non-renewable fuels.  Steam is only an energy transport and storage medium.  Once IC engines were developed, these new engines were smaller and lighter and you can carry your fuel with you, whereas a steam engine is very heavy and suitable for either very powerful engines like a locomotive, or in stationary settings, where the additional weight of the boiler water and steam is not am issue.

 Rags and old armchairs would make an easy fuel for burning.
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« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2014, 06:56:08 am »

Sooner or later, they'll run out, though, not to mention the tendency of people to seek power over others and to exert and express it through luxury - "lookit this nice throne I've got! They was gonna burn it, see? But I flexed my poltit'ickle muscles and here I sits."

That kind of thing. And then, one day, the burnables run out...
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« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2014, 07:30:11 am »

Sooner or later, they'll run out, though, not to mention the tendency of people to seek power over others and to exert and express it through luxury - "lookit this nice throne I've got! They was gonna burn it, see? But I flexed my poltit'ickle muscles and here I sits."

That kind of thing. And then, one day, the burnables run out...

 then we have a whole 'nother movie ....
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« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2014, 11:54:06 am »

Just my two pence but I don't see what's essentially a caravan park as SP by definition of such.

Mind were the actual accommodations of a SP nature that would be a different thing entirely.
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« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2014, 12:17:01 am »

Just my two pence but I don't see what's essentially a caravan park as SP by definition of such.

Mind were the actual accommodations of a SP nature that would be a different thing entirely.



 Some photo shoot shots and movie scene stills from the  Salton  Sea area.









The Elverocket


from the original flooding in  1905




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« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2015, 01:40:27 am »

Quite a few years ago I first encountered Slab City in one of Sue Grafton's detective novels, but have never seen any images until now. looks interesting, and except for a lack of power and water I might consider living there. I'm new fashioned enough to like these conveniences and too old to adapt to any realistically viable alternatives.   
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« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2015, 02:00:49 am »

Quite a few years ago I first encountered Slab City in one of Sue Grafton's detective novels, but have never seen any images until now. looks interesting, and except for a lack of power and water I might consider living there. I'm new fashioned enough to like these conveniences and too old to adapt to any realistically viable alternatives.   

 The place does fire the imagination.   The world is dotted with former military installation, naval base, airfield, hospital complexes ,  meat works dairy factories etc  that could work well  as alternative living sites  or post apocalyptic  refuges.

 There could well be more outland societies out there under the radar.
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« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2015, 03:35:08 pm »

Your comments bring to mind various TV programs noting those who have bought redundant Missile silos which they have converted into comfortable looking domiciles. Although I have never watched a series entitled Doomsday Preppers, no doubt they have reviewed some viable shelters; though probably none of the SP variety.   
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« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2015, 09:53:33 pm »

Your comments bring to mind various TV programs noting those who have bought redundant Missile silos which they have converted into comfortable looking domiciles. Although I have never watched a series entitled Doomsday Preppers, no doubt they have reviewed some viable shelters; though probably none of the SP variety.   

 I have seen a couple of those shows. They are more of the paranoid survivalist variety.  The invoke a strong sense of claustrophobia and entrapment rather than a sense of freedom and sanctuary. 

They are drab concrete confining spaces that make  radiation sickness or enslavement by a foreign or alien  invasion force  a more inviting option.

 None of the shelters or escape to the wilderness plans  are ever deemed  viable by the experts   and are  invariably judged as  a greater risk to survival  than  going with the flow.

The TV shows are interesting from a anthropological and psychological point.
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« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2015, 01:16:52 am »

The Accidental Sea


A short video about the Salton Sea; possibly my favorite video on youtube and IIRC made by the author of 'Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children'.
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